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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 11:38 PM
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I want the crooks who robbed us to give us our money back...
I want them all tried...and found guilty...and ordered to pay like any other embezzler...i want all of their offshore accounts seized...and the bunkers where cheney is hiding our money unsealed...I dont only want them to go to jail I want them to pay us back...all of them...Halliburton, Bechtel, and the rest of them...I'd like to know who they are...and what corporations they hide behind...Id like to know where the 2 trillion the pentagon cant find is lurking....I want our money back...
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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 12:07 AM
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1. Add me to your want list.I also want those things back
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InsanityInc Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 12:18 AM
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2. Good Luck!
They've lined their pockets so full with the money from the bogus contracts, there IS no money. What I'd like to see it these guys to get their worthless asses out of the way and let people in that would take care of it for less.

Halliburton and Bechtel don't even need to compete for most contracts anymore. They're slid to them through the administration and through other channels. It's sickening !
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 12:28 AM
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3. I'm glad you brought that up ~ they've stolen billions in this war alone
Congress knows it, yet no one is doing anything about it. They should live the rest of their miserable lives in poverty. Every one of them, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the Bushes too many to mention, all should have their accounts frozen while it all gets sorted out.

Holocaust survivors are suing the Bush family to get back the money they made while supporting the Nazi war machine ~ maybe the people of the US could file class action suits against all of them ~
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 12:40 AM
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4. somehow this needs to be compiled and addressed....if not congress
then by us...i'll start with the bird flu scare and rumsfeld profit of 5 million recently on tamiflu stocks....and yesterdays news about the chimps uncle making a couple mil on some weapons manufacturing i think....and then theres halliburton and cheneys profit which of course he says he is going to donate to charity..well how about katrina?...and i dont believe that anyway....and what about the football bricks in iraq...and the missing trillions from the pentagon...looks like nobody gives a shit...please add more if you know...
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 12:59 AM
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5. Don't forget to charge them for gas/heat price increases n/t
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Golden Raisin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 02:54 AM
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6. Hah! Don't hold your breath.
Yet another point the Democrats should be HAMMERING home relentlessly & non-stop every day. Undocumented cash distribution in Iraq (some in suitcases!) under Bremer's Proconsulship, Halliburton's no-bid contracts, ripoff accounting and total squandering of our tax money, the Pentagon's obscene Iraq/Afghanistan budget (I'm sure there are plenty of $400 screwdrivers & hammers in there), etc. etc. etc. And still our boys/girls dpn't have proper body armor & equipment! Yet there is DEAFENING SILENCE from the Democrats.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 03:10 AM
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7. "2 trillion" where does that figure come from-missing billions I've heard
I need to know...
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satya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 04:15 AM
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8. Yes, trillions in "undocumentable adjustments"
(from http://www.whereisthemoney.org/numbers.html):

The largest agency, the Department of Defense, has failed to comply with the requirement for audited financial statements since the requirement went into effect in the mid-1990's and has reported significant unsupported adjustments* to balance its books. In fiscal 1999, DOD reported $2.3 trillion of undocumentable adjustments* to balance its books. In fiscal 2000, DOD reported $1.1 trillion of undocumentable adjustments to balance its books. For fiscal 2001, DOD declined to report the amount of undocumentable adjustments used to balance its books.

* "Unsupported accounting entries" are the adjustments made in accounting records to force the books to balance when they don't add up, for example when:
1. an operation is negligent in tracking down and fixing imbalances in their accounts;
2. money and assets are missing, stolen or being spent in violation of the law;
3. government securities and guarantees are being issued fraudulently or secretly.

In other words, an "unsupported adjustment" is a plug figure for cash and assets that are unaccounted for and/or disbursed unlawfully, with no supporting records or audit trail.


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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 01:35 PM
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21. From Donald Rumsfeld himself - CBS News 'War on Waste'
Edited on Fri Mar-24-06 01:39 PM by EVDebs
www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/eveningnews/main325985.shtml

""According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions," Rumsfeld admitted.

$2.3 trillion — that's $8,000 for every man, woman and child in America. To understand how the Pentagon can lose track of trillions, consider the case of one military accountant who tried to find out what happened to a mere $300 million.

"We know it's gone. But we don't know what they spent it on," said Jim Minnery, Defense Finance and Accounting Service. ""

What pisses me off is the DOD's OIG is busy investigating whistleblowers who are trying to find out WHO took this money instead of nipping it in the bud to begin with ! Chuch Spinney was on Bill Moyers a few years ago speaking out on this and regularly was ignored at DOD. Folks, this is about 1/10th of a years GDP "missing" !
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 01:44 PM
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23. if we prosecuted the whos that took it..maybe we could stop it
as it is..they are just laughing all the way to their swiss bank accounts..or maybe have the dollars they stole from us invested in the euro..
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 05:41 PM
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25. ...or certain select Congressmen/women willing to do their bidding
not the public's bidding (see Randy Cunningham as merely a drop in the bucket)
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 04:19 AM
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9. Maybe we could then pay TEACHERS an honorable wage!
Edited on Fri Mar-24-06 04:22 AM by ClayZ
Since teaching is the most honorable profession. They should be paid accordingly!

They could then teach all the children of this country to be honorable citizens!

Perhaps Cheney... bu$h.... condisleesa and D Rummy would have been put in centers for juvenile delinquents, had they good teachers!

http://www.whereisthemoney.org/hotseat/
I love this "Hotseat" image!



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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 09:49 AM
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15. Our Teacher Retirement fund
lost alot to Enron. They have now raised the retirement age and have done lots of tweaking. It will be hard on new teacher, if we can recruit them. I am sure our modest health care benefits will be next on the chopping block. If we sue them to get the money-only the lawyers will benefit. I suggest any business leaders, Congressman or any politician guilty of corruption have their assets and pensions seized, just like they do for drug dealers. Money from those assets should be distributed to those that we hurt buy their action. Pension funds should be the first creditor in line for payment in the event of a bankruptcy.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 01:41 PM
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22. It infruiates me that these sleeezebages still get a PENSION.
They are dividing Randy "Duke" Cunningham Treasure Chest between FBI and IRS? But he still gets his pension. This is BS! We need to show them the real GOOD vs EVIL. Where is Robin Hood, when you need him?

Every family affected in Iraq should be able to Sue. All the children in the US, who have had school funds cut should sue. All the US soldiers should SUE. We should all Sue for stress and mental abuse. It has made me near crazy to have had to watch these idiots for 6 years.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 12:34 PM
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18. Great image! Wealthiest superpower in the world and we can't afford
squat. All our money goes to those people keeping us safe, the same ones that have been such dismal failures at it - and no, I'm not talking about the troops, I'm talking about the privatized war industry.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 06:47 AM
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10. Triple damages
since it was done with forethought and malice.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 07:08 AM
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11. And a couple of pounds of flesh for good measure.
Seriously! The oil companies and those that control them have had it coming for a long time. We should seize all their assets public and private. Then take a look at every deal made by this administration and if it looks like a ripoff take it back and jail everyone involved for fraud, embezzlement, racketeering or whatever. I don't care what law they have to pass to do it. We need to teach them a lesson they never forget.
And while we're at it we need to clean house at the Supreme Court.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 08:26 AM
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14. Corporations have been trying for a long time
to be recognized as a 'person' in the courts. Let's give them their wish.
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ObaMania Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 07:20 AM
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12. We can all file lawsuits against..
.. local, state and federal governments. I wouldn't yield anything, but would at least fill up dockets and get us noticed.

I'm at a loss for what we can do. I was in a grocery last week that has a gas station in the parking lot. When I went in the grocery the price on the station's sign was 2.39 and when I came out it was 2.51. WTF?

My county taxes went up 20+ %, gas heating bill still hovers around $400./mo. and not I'm hearing that electric this summer will follow suit.

The problem is, no political fat-cat gives a shit. They are so far removed from the average American in pay, that they have no idea about our day to day struggles.

I've emailed and called every representative in my state to see what they're gonna do about it and nothing... no returned calls or emails.

We have to hold these people accountable. Honestly, credit cards or not, 3% increases at work or not.. I have no idea how I (who does pretty good for myself, BTW) will make it for the next 3.5 years (or even beyond) at the rate and direction this country is headed.

Honestly, in '99, I never thought that things would turn out this way.
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 08:18 AM
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13. the war profiteers should be rounded up and exposed..every american
needs to know WHO benefitted from this war because i sure as hell dont know anyone..my God, it would be impossible to spend all of the money they've stolen so i bet a lot of it is stashed....everyday i read somethig about this and shake my head wondering how much money do they need? they just keep laughing at us for being so stupid while they continue to pilfer..just because they have it and continue to get it doesnt mean they should be able to keep it...
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 10:17 AM
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16. I totally agree.
I'm still more disappointed in the American people than anything else. Shit, even I knew what Bush was going to do. My 80 year old father turned to my mother on the morning Bush was sworn in and said, here comes the war. The people had a major turning point decision to make in 2004. A complete and utter failure that the world noticed. He actually got back in office. That was the worst thing that has ever happened in America.

I totally agree. But we're in quicksand. We can't even get a censure. What shit.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 11:37 AM
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17. add the texas white-boy petroleum mafia (exxon) to the list...
Wake up America! These bastards have fleeced ALL OF US for their monetary and political gain.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 01:44 PM
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24. Bumper sticker:"Never have so few stolen so much from so many for so long"
I saw it on a vehicle in Houston.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 12:37 PM
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19. The Looter Class
This is war. It's us against them apparently. Too bad so few of US seem to get what's happening.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 12:42 PM
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20. Now children, if you don't tell us who stole the money.....
We will have to punish all of you. We will tax each of you to get it back. Does anyone wish to speak up??
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