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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 09:08 PM
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Sexual Liberty vs. American Liberty
Below are some snippets of an article from a RW source I monitor. Scary pseudo-scientific BS.
Sex is the cause of all of the problems in America, did you know that?

Sexual Liberty vs. American Liberty . The Politics of God, Family, and Country

Posted: March 21 2006
By Alisa Craddock


<snip in a few paragraphs to the unsavory meaty bits>

Late last year, Larry Jacobs, Vice President of the World Congress of Families, spoke to leaders of several pro-family organizations at the Family Research Council (in preparation for the upcoming meeting of the WCF in 2007) about the war being waged by liberals against what WCF Founder, Allan Carlson, refers to as the “natural family” (a father and mother with one or more children living and growing up together in one home). Don Feder, the WCF’s Media Director, compares the current fight against anti-family forces to the cold war to defeat communism throughout the world. He believes that if the rest of the world surrenders to the anti-family push, America will not be able to hold out against it – the same “manifesto” employed by the Communists during most of the last century to spread their ideology throughout the world. Destruction of faith and family was a key element, in fact, in the advance of communism in the Soviet Union, and persists today in the promotion of its kissin’ cousin, socialism, by various organs of the United Nations, chiefly the IPPF, UNESCO, the UNFPA, and others. In the last year it does seem that they have stepped up their efforts to bully the world into getting in line with their goals.

Liberal anti-family groups both at home and abroad continue to promote the idea that pro-family groups are “radical” and “reactionary”, that the traditional family is regressive, and traditional morality is perverse and oppressive (using words like “heteronormative,” “heterosexist,” and “sexual fascism” to demonize what they present as unhealthy social attitudes, with efforts being made to turn political and social dissent into a hate crime. It’s quite a coup, really, to make what is normal and wholesome sound evil and backward, while perversity is promoted as “diversity”. It rather reminds me of the story of “The Emperor’s New Clothes.” Shall we take a closer look at those clothes?


<snip>

Unwin’s purpose was to study through inductive methods of research the assertion by the psychologists of his day that “when social regulations forbid direct satisfaction of the sexual impulses, the emotional conflict is expressed in another way, and that what we call ‘civilisation’ has been built up by compulsory sacrifices of the gratification of organic desires.” His research into this hypothesis showed that there was indeed a direct correlation between sexual opportunity and cultural condition. So consistent were the findings, in fact, that “if we know what sexual regulations a society adopted,” he asserted, “we can prophesy accurately the pattern of its culture.” What he found was that those civilizations that had strict regulation of sexual activity thrived, grew, produced and expanded. Those with less sexual regulation had less developed civilizations, and those in which the inhabitants were totally free to engage in sexual activity of any kind never progressed at all, but remained stagnant. Further, those civilizations which went from no sexual regulation to strict regulation of sexual activity advanced proportionately, while those that went from strict regulation to complete abandonment of sexual mores collapsed within about three generations. The findings were universal and consistent, no matter where the civilization, no matter what the race. There were no exceptions. “In human records,” he noted, “there is no instance of a civilization retaining its energy after a complete new generation has inherited a tradition which does not insist on prenuptial and postnuptial continence.” Prenuptial continence and monogamous marriage (especially where it was imposed on both sexes) produced the greatest social energy, the greatest advancement. The level of freedom of sexual activity determined exactly how far the civilization progressed in consistent and measurable ways. “The factors responsible for the cultural condition of any society, or for that of any group within the society, came into operation at least a hundred years before” he asserted. “The full effect of an extension or limitation of sexual opportunity cannot be culturally realized before the third generation.” It was observed also that the behavior of women had a greater influence than that of the men because the children spent most of their formative years with their mother.

<snip to the part that will make you want to scream>

The most important step in regaining control of our culture and our country is to overturn Roe v. Wade, to outlaw abortion and reestablish a view of our rights as God-given, and return to Constitutional principles. The introduction of the contraceptive pill (which is an abortifacient) launched the sexual revolution in earnest. Abortion was an inevitable link in the chain. (Over 50% of abortions are performed on women or girls who were using some method of contraception.) Removing the abortion link would direct the behavior of women toward continence. It is women who must take the lead in making this happen. It must happen to restore the family, without which our culture cannot survive. Reversing Roe v. Wade would also once again compel men to share in the responsibility for their conduct and its consequences, but also restore them to their proper role in family life (a role deeply undermined by radical feminism). If the political and legal organs of our country do not support it, we must reclaim our heritage ourselves. We must be bold enough to point out that the king isn’t wearing any clothes. We must speak up in such great numbers that even the meekest among us will be bold to speak the truth, and the gainsayers will be put to shame.

Here's the whole article, if you can stomach it. Not for the weak at heart.
http://www.alainsnewsletter.com/article.php?id=221

Fucking theocrats. We are in big, big trouble as a nation.



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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 09:12 PM
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1. Reversing Roe v Wade will compel men to "dine'n'ditch".
In other words, rape and flee before they can be identified or caught. And how many women would be so bold to risk physical violence by callin' the cops? Not many, I fear.

Not in all cases... but to say that all men would become responsible is the most laughable idea since, well, 2 days ago when we were told something else just as bizarre.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 09:19 PM
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4. Well - you know what the answer to that would be ->
DNA tests at birth. On file. National registry.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 09:30 PM
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7. Sure they foresee an AmeriKa sans human rights
Regimented to the Nth degree, perhaps we won't have to pray seven times a day, but then again we may. Depends on which zealot gets his or her way at this point I would guess.
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 09:30 PM
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8. Shhh. Don't give 'em any ideas.... N/T
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 10:47 PM
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16. I don't know about your comment
Reversing Roe v Wade will compel men to "dine'n'ditch"
In other words, rape and flee before they can be identified or caught.


Rape is more a crime of violence, than an expression of sexual impulse. It's more about power than sex.

But it does seem like sexual repression leads to increases in violence in general.

So there is kind of a mixed bag here. But I don't think that hundreds of years of courship and love and sex will change dramactically if abortion is outlawed. Not that it would make all men responsible either, far from it.



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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 09:16 PM
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2. Yes, I know it.
My girlfriend and I have been oppressing the masses with our incessant handholding, blatant liplocking ways. We publically pet each other's hair and pat one another's shoulder's affectionately because we are pure evil, intent on destroying everything America has ever stood for: which, best I can tell is virginity and heterosexuality.

I always thought we were a big ol cesspool of unwashed masses in search of democracy and freedom from persecution, but I was terribly wrong. We were founded to protect the sanctity of the Christian family.

Thomas Jeff, Herman Melville, Walt Whitman, Mark Twain: what the fuck did they know about America? Fuck them. Whatta they know about Jesus?
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 09:22 PM
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5. Yes, but have you joined
the Ladies Sewing Circle and Terrorist Society yet?

One of my favorite bumper stickers...

And just between you and me, it's only homosexual MEN that are evil -- two women going at it is HAWT!

Big big hugs from my family to yours!



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MazeRat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 09:18 PM
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3. Well then I must be doing my part to destroy America... (n/t)
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Terran1212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 09:26 PM
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6. Some extreme left groups do oppose family, whatnot
But it's no culture war.
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 08:56 AM
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22. Such people do exist but are really rather few and far between.

Supposing that the rest of us buy into this view is an excuse to forget self-criticism.

They're getting worse.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 09:31 PM
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9. They just can't seem to stop LYING, can they?
Isn't it a bad thing to lie? Weren't they taught that in Sunday school? What happened to them that they decided LYING is a good thing?

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FreedomRain Donating Member (164 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 09:32 PM
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10. Love to see the data on this
Since when did we start taking lessons from human history? The Anasazi, Easter Islanders, Vikings, and hundreds of other civilizations crashed because of their economy was based on non-renewable resources, the supply of which ran out.
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 09:42 PM
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11. Buncha bullshit
I've always liked this take on history:(well not "liked" it's depressing)
http://www.psychohistory.com/
There are a many ways to look at human development, and it seems to me the more sexual repressed a society, those repressed impulses will manage to manifest in a distructive manner. Probably how the lopsided patriarchy we live in developed. So where are all these glorious upstanding tightly controlled sexually moral societies, if they're so successful?
Didn't we just take the Taliban, who had rules for everything, out of power?
I hate hypocritical crap like this.
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 10:01 PM
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12. That link looks really interesting
I'll have to digest it later, when I don't have as many distractions.

The talibornagains scare the willies out of me, especially since I am in their cross-hairs (no pun intended).

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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 10:10 PM
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14. ...
Edited on Tue Mar-21-06 10:34 PM by bloom
I changed my opinion after I read some it. Nevermind.
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 10:41 PM
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15. I found his book at a second hand store, many years ago
Edited on Tue Mar-21-06 10:46 PM by ismnotwasm
And while he goes WAY too deep in psychobabble analysis (I think he's a bit of a whacko) his theories on how we raise our children have always caught my attention.

Actually now that I've read some of the links, I think I need to apolgize, I didn't realize he was THAT far out. Ignore at will. I hadn't looked at the website in depth. Sorry!
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 10:51 PM
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17. That's funny, I thought it was very interesting
and I do believe that sexual repression is more likely fuel violent tendencies than not.

The Dutch studies on sexual crime and pornography laws seem to bear that out. Not that I want to re-hash here with you.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 11:36 PM
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18. They can't handle the truth here, Mongo. nt
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 12:04 AM
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19. Mostly
Edited on Wed Mar-22-06 12:07 AM by bloom
while I agree with his basic idea of war in the context of an emotional disorder "war is a serious psychopathological condition" - instead of something normal or heroic - he goes way overboard in blaming women - esp. mothers - for the evils of the world.
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 10:02 PM
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13. Sex is absolutely the cause of probems in America.
That's why my virginity makes me such a good citizen.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 01:56 AM
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20. Unity through Strength, Strength through Purity, Purity though Faith
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 04:46 AM
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21. ...
Further, those civilizations which went from no sexual regulation to strict regulation of sexual activity advanced proportionately


So that explains the rapid advancement of society during the Dark Ages. :eyes:
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 11:51 AM
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23. What do you think about legislators deciding morality issues?
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