"No Democrat stood up against the Terrorist Surveillance Program"

[Avalux]

"If they really believe that the tools we're using to protect the American people are wrong, they ought to stand up and say so."

- Bush, during his press conference this morning.

Would ONE of our Democrat leaders please stand up and make him EAT THOSE WORDS??? :grr:

[BlueEyedSon]

1. What about the Feingold censure?

[Avalux]

4. EXACTLY!!!

I want our Dems screaming about this - calling him on it. I want them to attack Bush for making such a statement.

[BlueEyedSon]

11. Sorry, i think i only read your subject line. Lazy me!

[babylonsister]

2. Some have, including Conyers, but dimson doesn't care

to acknowledge that. Byrd has a petition, ACLU has been active, Kerry, Feingold, the word is out there if he chose to listen.

Edit to add: This is another reason why I think Congress takes too damned many 'vacations'. When we need their representation, they're MIA.

[tridim]

10. Oh they know what's being said, and they do care

It's just that they figure if they deny reality the public will get wishy-washy on the subject. Gee, do we believe our own ears, or the President? Problem is, it's now CW that the president is a professional liar, and a bad one at that. Their little plan wont work, even with the media playing lap dog.

[quinnox]

3. Yea, I thought Feingold did stand up with the censure motion

Or maybe Bush was referring to Reid and Pelosi.

[Avalux]

6. I don't know what Bush was referring to -

because Feingold's censure is about the wiretapping issue and Bush breaking the law. What a moron.

[blm]

5. Except Kerry and Sununu sent up legislation to take out the more onerous

aspects of the Patriot Act in Dec 2003. Or did Bush forget about that?

And Feingold and many other senators have always been consistent in their opposition to the NSA spying program that targeted Americans. Bush is playing his gotcha tactic, where he throws in the word terrorist to cover for his actual domestic spying.

[Avalux]

14. Yep - he's inferring those who criticize are endangering Americans

by saying "tools to protect the American people".

[IsItJustMe]

7. Once again, simplicity wins out over truth with the chimp.

[BOSSHOG]

8. Fodder for the ignorant "tools" who make up his base

Once again, bush lies. It is commonplace for him. Lying to him is as easy as breathing.

He is telling Americans that breaking the law is a "tool" to fight terrorism as he whines about an attempt by Senator Feingold to hold accountable for doing just that. He is barking to the 34% who care not about the constitution or for any "conservative" being held accountable. Unfortunately for bush there are rational human beings who can easily wade through his obfuscation and easily see him for the evil, lying, ignorant, hateful bastard that he is.

Free republic members have no use for constitutional law and they have no desire to hold bush accountable. They are domestic enemies of the constitution. Please if anyone (peppers) has facts to the contrary I'd love to read them; but lurkers have a total disdain for the truth as well. Everyday it sucks more and more being a "conservative" in America.

[ewagner]

9. He just kicked sand in our face

do we want to be bullied by this sob or do we want to fight back

If the Democratic Party Leadership backs down now....well...we DESERVE to be called and treated like the old "90 lb weaklings" in the Charles Atlas ads....

FIGHT

BACK

DAMMIT!!!!

[Avalux]

12. I agree - it was a very low blow -

I want to hear Democrats on cable news tonight screaming about this. I hope Feingold gets some airtime.

[C_U_L8R]

13. Bush is confused

the democrats only want to ENFORCE the existing law
(they certainly do not want the FISA act repealed)
and if Georgie had done his homework
he wouldn't have to resort to cheap semantic tricks.

The fact is, Georgie, you BROKE THE LAW,
you continue to break the law
and you MUST BE PUNISHED for breaking the law,

It's simple if you concentrate.

[slide to the left]

15. W(hy)TF

do they care what dems did or didn't do. Just becauase a dem did or didn't do something doesn't make the right right.

[Avalux]

16. He knows damn well Feingold's censure was about illegal wiretapping -

by making this statement though, it's an "in your face" to Dems - calling it a "Terrorist Surveillance Program" and describing it as a tool to keep us safe.

[daveskilt]

17. this was another bush straw man

He is setting it up. When he says no one has said "do not use this tool in the fight against terrorism" he is setting up an impossible and illogical statement that of course people will agree with him on as he opposes it.

No one in the democratic party is saying not to use wiretaps - they are almost ALL saying don't use ILLEGAL wiretaps with NO WARRANTS. Bush has a talent to oversimplify and make his statements seem plausible on the surface to the uninformed.

Remember he isnt talking to you and me - he isnt even talking to people who watch the news he is talking to the schmo who will hear a 20 second sound clip that sets up another them and us dichotomy where bush gets to define the position of the imaginary "them".

Given real debate where the dems state their own position bush falls flat but when he gets to present both sides of the argument he mischaracterizes the opposing view to such a degree that anyone hearing his debate with himself can't help but agree with him within the context of the argument as he presents it.


I am in training for the william faulkner run on sentence world championships to be held later this year in the small town of bastanchury, a town most characterised by its allegiance to....oh all right ill stop now.

[Avalux]

20. Agree with your "sound clip" theory -

that's exactly what he's doing. Good luck with the run on sentence world championship - I think you'll do quite well!! :D (please laugh)

[LSK]

18. MORE STRAW MEN

What Democrats have said that the tools we are using are wrong??? FISA works just fine!!!

:grr:

[zbdent]

19. When were they asked?

As I recall, they only were recently made aware of it . . . not while it was going on or implemented . . .

[wisteria]

21. It is not the program that is objectionable, it is the way it is being

used. Kerry has said this. If changes need to be made so that Bush can use the program in a legal way, then the President needs to request these changes from Congress.

[Avalux]

22. But then he'd be acknowledging he's broken the law. So -

He ignores the fact he's broken the law, ignores the censure about breaking the law, and insists he has every right to wiretap without warrants by re-framing what he's done/doing. FISA isn't even mentioned.

[LSK]

23. BINGO - if the law needs changing, come to Congress

Dont just bypass the law, work with Congress to change it. Thats how the system works.

Many Senators have said that, including Republicans.