Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Molly Ivins: Enough of the D.C. Dems!!!

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU
 
im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 12:43 PM
Original message
Molly Ivins: Enough of the D.C. Dems!!!
Enough of the D.C. Dems
By Molly Ivins
March 2006 Issue

Mah fellow progressives, now is the time for all good men and women to come to the aid of the party. I don’t know about you, but I have had it with the D.C. Democrats, had it with the DLC Democrats, had it with every calculating, equivocating, triangulating, straddling, hair-splitting son of a bitch up there, and that includes Hillary Rodham Clinton.

I will not be supporting Senator Clinton because: a) she has no clear stand on the war and b) Terri Schiavo and flag-burning are not issues where you reach out to the other side and try to split the difference. You want to talk about lowering abortion rates through cooperation on sex education and contraception, fine, but don’t jack with stuff that is pure rightwing firewater.

I can’t see a damn soul in D.C. except Russ Feingold who is even worth considering for President. The rest of them seem to me so poisonously in hock to this system of legalized bribery they can’t even see straight.

Look at their reaction to this Abramoff scandal. They’re talking about “a lobby reform package.” We don’t need a lobby reform package, you dimwits, we need full public financing of campaigns, and every single one of you who spends half your time whoring after special interest contributions knows it. The Abramoff scandal is a once in a lifetime gift—a perfect lesson on what’s wrong with the system being laid out for people to see. Run with it, don’t mess around with little patches, and fix the system.

cont'd...

http://www.progressive.org/node/3142
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 12:48 PM
Response to Original message
1. Molly should note which Dems are for public finance of campaigns or isn't
she interested to know exactly who stands for what? Is it really so much easier to just attack them all whether it's fair or not?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. I am not sure what your point is.
Perhaps you could clarify? :shrug:

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #2
5. Public financing clears DC of most unethical lobbying and bad legislation.
The REAL reformers and the REAL lawmakers to support are the ones for Clean Elections. Seems to me that should be the first area of support from leftleaning journalists and pundits.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #5
10. Goof point.
Clean elections should be a guaranteed right. How to ensure that though? It's getting to where there's no trail whatsoever, and we are left scratching our heads, wondering how they get away with it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #1
6. It'd be easier to make a list of which ones are for public financing. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Talismom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 12:50 PM
Response to Original message
3. As usual, Molly rocks! n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #3
7. They got her dander up now nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 12:53 PM
Response to Original message
4. Hear! Hear! However . . .
How do you get from where we are now, 'Licans ruining the country and Dems hiding under rocks (from what, I'm not sure) to where we need to be: Dems as most DUers see Dems (genuinely progressive, with ideals AND courage) with sufficient power to hold off the forces of darkness that have taken over the 'Licans lock, stock, and barrel?

If we throw out OUR rascals and they don't throw out theirs, don't we just guarantee continuation of the disastrous course the 'Licans are taking us on?

Just wondering, because my imagination's wiped out: I don't see any way forward but to push for Dems AND DINOs, just to ensure that 'Licans get shown the door.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
harpo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 12:58 PM
Response to Original message
8. I would agree with Molly
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 12:59 PM
Response to Original message
9. The Democrats would dominate Congress for the next 40 years
if only they had the guts and intelligence to be the party that opposes lobbying in all shapes and forms. That's a stance that would resonate with 90% of the public.

But I guess they're just as addicted to K-Street shrimp cocktail parties as are the Republicans...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 01:00 PM
Response to Original message
11. the thing is
If Senator Clinton isn't speaking to progressives because we're too far left, then she should get her campaign donations from her light pink base. Go on girl - there's plenty of money over there. Just don't mix it up with ours.

If you want blue support, support your base Hillary. And a worrisomely large portion of your base are people who think equal rights come before all else has any relevance to our lives. All we need is a lick and a promise - but we aren't even getting that.

So Hillary, and Howard Dean, do NOT come to us with your hands out this time unless you are prepared to treat us as equals.

You don't get a free pass this time.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. Funny you should mention that regarding Clinton.
Clinton is my Senator, and I just sent a rather lengthy e-mail to her on Sunday, telling her not to ask me for a single donation UNTIL she gets back to the left. Pandering to the right is not going to win any votes on the left.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 01:26 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. "Gets back to the left"?
When was she ever there?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 03:15 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. Touche!
Perhaps I should have said, "when she moves to the left" or something like that. :hi:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 01:44 PM
Response to Reply #12
15. So if Clinton drifts right, who ya gonna vote for?
Edited on Wed Mar-15-06 01:45 PM by MrModerate
Greens? Republicans? She's tacking to the right because she knows that -- in large measure -- her left wing has nowhere else to go.

Now no one's asking me, but if they did, I'd say there's no need. If you demonstrate strength of character and reasonableness, you can stay comfortably "left" and still sweep up the undecided centrists.

This is particularly true since the 'Licans have pretty much disgusted true center-moderates with their whoring on the altars of the christianist right (i.e., there's a much bigger gap between the center and the right than there is between the center and the left).
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 01:16 PM
Response to Original message
13. Ever wonder why so many Dem voters don't bother to vote?
Today I'm wondering why so many do bother to vote.:wtf:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr 30th 2024, 12:30 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC