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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:45 PM
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TAKE A STAND PROGRESSIVES....Sit out 2k6 and don't vote...
Then demand that the Democratic party put up candidates who are true progressives or threaten to not vote in 2k8!

See we have to teach the cowering Dems that we mean business. By sitting out 2k6 we can show them who the base REALLY is and that we have the power to make or break them.

If they ain't gonna do shit then fuckem'.

When they see we have the numbers and the voices they'll know we mean business and put up some reall progressives for 2k8.

Progressives must make the DC leadership see that WE HAVE THE POWER!
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:48 PM
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1. I am starting to believe this way too
Show the fricking sheep on Washington that WE THE PEOPLE can control their destiny better than the corporations can!! What the hell is the difference if I vote for a Dem who won't stick up for my rights??? What are they going to be doing as we all are marched off to camps? Do you think Joementum or Hillary will stick up for me???

Ha!
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skylarmae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:49 PM
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2. IMHO - NO, NO, NO, NO
not participating in this 2006 election is not an option.... not sure what you are thinking... not sure the Country can take another 21/2yrs. of unchecked repuke dominion....
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:50 PM
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3. I'm sorry but this is the silliest suggestion I've read today
If you don't think that by electing a Democratic Senate and House won't make a difference especially in holding investigations into Bush's misdeeds and appointments then you don't understand the political process. Yes sit out '06 and YOU WON'T HAVE THE POWER.
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PVK Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:50 PM
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4. OMG. NO. That will lock us into this forever.
There is a better way: support ONLY progressive candidates willing to fight.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:03 PM
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26. I tried that last time
and got told my candidate wasn't "electable". By people supporting a man who couldn't get elected.

And the DLC, of course.

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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:06 PM
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30. Fuckin DLC. They don't have any electable candiates.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:11 PM
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35. Not since Bill Clinton retired. n/t
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:15 PM
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40. Yeah but Bill is still DLC and I don't trust any DLC. They are all alike.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:17 PM
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41. I was just having this conversation with someone...
...that the DLC of today would never have supported the Bill Clinton of 1992.

Think about it...he was almost exactly the same on the issues as Howard Dean.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:26 PM
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50. I agree
Bill Clinton gave us "welfare reform". 'Nuff said.
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PVK Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:13 PM
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38. Me too. Supported Dean. But DFA & Dean urge us to support progressives.
And that's what I'm doing.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:23 PM
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45. Yes Dean as head of the DNC wants us to only vote for Progressive
candidates.

I agree and if there aren't any don't vote for that slot. Simple.
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Options Remain Donating Member (475 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:50 PM
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5. why wait for the election
They can't ignore a national strike and can't brush it under the rug either. And the will is probably there to make it happen.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:50 PM
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6. I have a better suggestion. Get of thy ass and run yourself.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:00 PM
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19. I'm just about to do it. I want to move back to New Orleans though
I am a former resident and I think that is where I'm most needed.

The last time I wanted to run I almost got killed @ a random shooting in a NOLA eatery and I decided to move a year later.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:01 PM
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22. Good on ya!
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:52 PM
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7. Dumbest. Idea. Ever.
Edited on Tue Mar-14-06 04:53 PM by gkhouston
If you sit home on your ass, you don't have the power; the R's do. :eyes:

on edit: I'm all for pushing for your dream candidates during the primary season, but when election time rolls around, suck it up and remember that the party with the majority gets the committee assignments that matter.
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RufusEarl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:56 PM
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10. Agreed! Party with Majority
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:55 PM
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8. If you're so unhappy ith the representative then YOU RUN and that......
.....will give you something to do beside just set and complain.:grr:
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:56 PM
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9. Then, pour ketchup on your head, tie a ham to your neck, & walk backwards
... while singing dirty songs in Kartvelian.

If you can also take one shoe off and dance the Macarena using a hula-hoop while simultaneously spanking your right butt-cheek, you'll be eligible to vote in Ohio, Florida, and MTV's Jackass 2: The Sequel Spring Break Wet T-Shirt Beer Dude Getaway drawing.

Tax and tags included. Must be 18 to enter.

--p!
"Yeah, that'll work!"
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:56 PM
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11. hmm, who do you work for, progress or status quo?
I think you are absoultely insane. What you want is what the Thuglies want. I shun you and your posts.:puke:
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aden_nak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:56 PM
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12. Taking your ball and going home is never the answer.
It'd almost be worth it if they got the message. But I guarantee that the result wouldn't work out the way you like. All we'd hear about was how the Democrats were "too far left" in criticizing Bush, and pretty soon you really would have two Republican parties. Unfortunately, elections are like wars. You go to the polls with the candidates you've got, not the candidates you'd like. And then, after the election, you work on making sure you have a better candidate for next time.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:57 PM
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13. sheesh
:eyes:

is this caricature how you view the thinking of progressives at DU?

the level of contempt you display does not serve you well.
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datadiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:57 PM
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14. Holy cow
Here we are trying to get decent voting rights so that our votes will count and someone suggests we don't vote. It may take awhile to get people in power who we can all agree with but any democrat, (excluding Lieberman of course) is better that republican. I am voting in every single election. We need control of the Congress and the Senate in 2006. Even one branch is better than nothing.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:58 PM
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15. relax, everyone. this is an attempt at parody.
xultar is trying to poke fun at progressive democratic members of DU.

its a Colbert sort of thing.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:00 PM
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18. Aren't we all progressives?
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:04 PM
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28. Are you new here?
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:21 PM
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of course not
but I don't see many out and out moderates here. I think this site is basically left wing Democrats. Maybe there are degrees there--left and farther left, but very few moderates or conservative democrats on DU--a few, but not many.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:24 PM
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47. Look at any thread criticizing the DLC
and watch 'em come out of the woodwork, with all of their clever strategies...bound to lose even more elections.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:26 PM
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51. It isn't about losing it is about cleaning house. It is about grassroots
and building the party from the ground up.

DLC is all about corporate elite. We need to force their hand.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:04 PM
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29. Well I got the idea from a reply in another thread. Being a
progressive I naturally agree.

Democrats have done nothing and they are so far from the base it isn't even funny.

I mean everyone knows that the Democratic base is just like the population of DU.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:28 PM
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54. you need to label your sarcasm, or get better at using it.
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KyuzoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 04:59 PM
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16. Jesus Christ...with friends like you, who needs Republicans?
Stupid plan.
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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:00 PM
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17. stupid devisive post yet..stay home..fortunately for you traitors
there wont be an 06' election. Soon the maggots of war will attack Iran then say goodbye to our freedoms for this Imbecile will certainly impose Martial Law. As it appears today the GOP is running scared and very concerned of the 06' elections. My bet is many GOP-ers would rather see another major attack on our country so Imbecile can have another "Bullhorn Moment", so stay home,who needs devisive democrats.
One progressive told me,"let scalito get confirmed then the dems can bash him" after all the emails,phone calls I made to stop this guy.
Do progressives work for the RNC?
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:01 PM
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20. UM. NO.
WORST. IDEA. EVER.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:01 PM
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21. Take a stand by rolling over! Hand them everything- that'll teach 'em!
Unwrap the butter and grab yer ankles,
and be PROUD that you "made a statement"!

I don't hardly FUCKING think so.


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SomewhereOutThere424 Donating Member (497 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:01 PM
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23. No.
If anything this is the only opporatunity we have to vote for people who will do something for this country. Do you want people who actively try to ruin everything we stand for in office? 3 more years of total BS? Well then VOTE damnit. This whitewater style of lying will only make the party sink. NO goal is so important we should cut off our nose to spite our face. Even if we currently have a cold.
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Radio_Guy Donating Member (875 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:01 PM
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24. Not a good idea
I won't vote for anyone who voted for the Patriot Act. But I will vote!
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:02 PM
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25. Are you NUTS?
:wtf:

That's the most counter-productive, counter-progressive idea I've ever heard!

First we put Dems back in control of Congress and then we hound them 24/7 about progressive issues we want addressed immediately and in the long term.

Not voting is not an option! Sheesh! :crazy:
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:04 PM
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27. National Strike is a better option.
Pick a week. If we stop working, have a slow down or a sickout, we're more likely to get the visibility we need.

But opting out of an election just hands over the keys.

Not without a fight. They can have my country when they shove me in a plane and deport me.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:07 PM
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31. Boy that will show them
It will give the repukes another term in congress and the country will be total destroyed by the reich wing morons. And your going to sit on your ass on election day!
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:08 PM
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32. No xultar, nonono
we only have power because we do vote...
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:09 PM
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33. You won't end up teaching them shit. And if you opt out of the system
you won't be able to change it. Work for change.

What you're advocating is essentially giving up. The elected officials you think we will be "teaching a lesson" will just look elsewhere for their votes. And so, in 2008, you will get the candidate you really don't want.

I will do the exact opposite. Get in there and don't give up or you will NOT have the power.

And I wouldn't use Dean's slogan while simulaneously stabbing him in the back.
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chicofaraby Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:10 PM
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34. I ll do what I always do
See who the Democrats put forward and either vote for them or vote third party.

I'm a liberal, not a Democrat.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:22 PM
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44. Third party works too. In 2k6 then we should all vote 3rd party
and if there isn't don't vote @ all.
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:11 PM
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36. It's a parody, people
Edited on Tue Mar-14-06 05:12 PM by DancingBear
Calm down.

If you've read this poster you'll know she is (mostly) the antithesis of what she wrote.

I think it's her tongue in cheek way to tweak us "progressives."

Lots of folks here, for some reason, think us progressives advocate my way or the highway solutions to all problems.

We don't, of course, but it's more fun to pretend we do.

That said, it was a nice jab, and there is truth in it.

Not enough to win the fight, though. :) :hi:
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:12 PM
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37. I understand your frustration...
... but I'm not sure your proposal would be helpful.

What I'd really like to do is make being an incumbent, any incumbent, the kiss of death. I'd like to vote in some new blood - the blood we have has turned $green$.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:14 PM
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39. Voting is for losers and DLC whores
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:19 PM
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42. Exactly. The DLC is only in it from a money angle. Corporate angle.
We have got to show them that WE have the power.

Other than cleaning house I don't see how we can make it happen.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:21 PM
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43. I think he was making fun of you xultar
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:25 PM
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48. I'm cool even with those who don't agree with me. I have no
problems with people who dissagree. I have problems with people who support the DLC.
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aintitfunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:23 PM
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46. Which will lead to the complete destruction
of this country. We have Bush until 2008. I don't like how many in the Dem leadership behave, but I want to fight for a Congressional Majority - it might be a reach, but we must fight, nonetheless. In doing so I am fighting for my country. The least I can do is vote, but I will do more, it is too important not to. Sitting out the election in which we may be able to wrest power from the evil ones and as a result slow, if not halt and reverse the destruction is goofy as shit. Like biting your nose to spite your face.
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DeaconBlues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:25 PM
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49. I'll do you one better
Edited on Tue Mar-14-06 05:26 PM by DeaconBlues
I think we should vote for the Repubs! That'll show the DLC and Hillary who the real progressives are!
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:28 PM
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53. I may be against the DLC but I could never vote for them. But I will
abandon the vote first.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-14-06 05:26 PM
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52. too much at stake for this kind of theatricality. nt
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