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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 03:28 AM
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Did anyone catch "Black/White" on F/X tonight?
This would seem like a Lounge question, but considering the nature of the program, I thought I would post it here. The show (started Wednesday night, has several more air dates) follows two families, one African-American, one White. The families are transformed into the other 'race.' They then go out into the world to experience life as another 'race.' During the evening, they all live under one roof to discuss their day and experiences.

The make-up jobs are OUTSTANDING! The people are very interesting. The issues raised are topical to the world at large. This looks to be a VERY interesting series.

Did anyone happen to see it?
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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 03:35 AM
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1. Yes - the "Bruno" guy is pretty damn dense.
Edited on Thu Mar-09-06 03:54 AM by Yollam
He talks like the typical insulated white upper-middle class moderate repug I've known. He is so condescending and dismissive of the black guy, that's a bit annoying, as is his eagerness to use the N-word in front of him all the time.

As for the make-up, it was impressive, but it's pretty hard to believably hide racial features, and dialects and timbre of voice etc are also a giveaway. The only one I really found remotely convincing was the white daughter.

But the show is a good exercise, and hopefully will enlighten some people.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 04:01 AM
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6. Me too.. and she seems to be enjoying herself and eager to
learn..not just "pass"..

It's out of date now, but "Black Like Me" was a wonderful book & movie..If you haven't read/seen it..please do :)
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 04:20 AM
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7. "Black Like Me"
That is a GREAT book!!! I have never seen the movie.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 04:39 AM
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10. James Whitmore starred in it.. A great little film noir movie
Edited on Thu Mar-09-06 04:41 AM by SoCalDem
You can probably order a copy on Amazon :)

Amazon.com: Black Like Me (1964) : VideoBlack Like Me, James Whitmore, Sorrell Booke, Roscoe Lee Browne, Al Freeman Jr., Will Geer, Robert Gerringer, Clifton James, John Marriott, Thelma Oliver, ...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=black+like+me
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 04:42 AM
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11. Thanks...saves me looking it up!
My partner and I have almost 3000 DVDs...one more to add to the collection! :)
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 04:46 AM
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12. Here's some interesting info on the Author of the book
Origins: John
Howard Griffin was born in Dallas, Texas, in 1920 but left the United States for France at age fifteen in pursuit of a classical education. While barely out of his teens, he had completed studies in such diverse fields as French, literature, medicine, and music, worked as an intern conducting experiments in the use of music as therapy for the criminally insane, specialized in medieval music under the Benedictines at the Abbey of Solesmes, and was contemplating making the religious life his vocation. He wrote about his experiences at the Abbey and the personal struggles he underwent during this period of his life in his 1952 book, The Devil Rides Outside.

The outbreak of World War II intruded upon Griffin's plans; he responded to the challenge by calling upon his medical training to serve as a medic in France before spending three years with the U.S. Army Air Corps in the South Seas (where he was decorated for bravery). During Griffin's military service a head injury caused by an exploding shell caused his eyesight to deteriorate to the point that he eventually went completely blind. Nonetheless, he continued writing and turned out several novels before his eyesight miraculously returned in 1957; he later chronicled this dark period of his life in an unpublished work entitled Scattered Shadows.

Griffin's best-known struggle against adversity, however was a self-imposed one: In 1959, after shaving his head and using drugs and ultraviolet light to darken his skin, Griffin spent six weeks travelling through the states of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia posing as an itinerant black man in order to record a first-hand account of the virulent racism still prevalent in the Deep South. Griffin's account of his experiences, published as the book Black Like Me in 1961, is a gripping tale of degradation and cruelty — an account of a man who becomes the target of rudeness, indignities, insults, racial slurs, and violent threats, and is denied the basic necessities of life — a place to live, work, transportation, even the use of restrooms — simply because his skin is dark. Particularly revealing experiences came at the end of Griffin's investigation when he switched back and forth between his black and white identities and observed the negative reactions he received from people (both black and white) who had treated him kindly just days — or even hours — earlier.

Even well before Griffin's death in 1980, rumors began circulating that he had died as a direct result of his Black Like Me experiment — the treatments he undertook to darken his skin, people whispered, had led to his contracting an ultimately fatal case of skin cancer. As the authors of Rumor! noted:

Since many people deeply resented Griffin's book and the racial tensions it exposed — he and his family moved to Mexico for a time after he was hanged in effigy in his hometown of Mansfield, Texas — the rumor has an element of the sinister to it, a satisfied wish for revenge. Since many people who told the story had no quarrel with Griffin or his discoveries, the rumor doubled as a sort of ironic tragedy, showing that those who do good are not exempt from life's cruelties.1
The rumors had no substance, however. Although Griffin's transformation did involve his submitting to medical treatments which posed potential health risks, he was carefully monitored by his doctor and suffered nothing more serious or lasting than temporary, relatively minor side effects:

Under the direction of a New Orleans dermatologist, Griffin had taken medication orally and had exposed his entire body to the ultraviolet rays of a sun lamp. For about a week, up to fifteen hours each day, he had stretched out on a couch under the glare of the lamp. His eyes had been protected by cotton pads when he faced the lamp, and he had worn sunglasses when turned away from its rays.

The doctor had prescribed Oxsoralen — a drug used to treat vitiligo, a cutaneous infection most common among but not exclusive to black people, which produces white splotches on the skin. Typically the medication is given over a period of six to twelve weeks. However, Griffin's experiment necessitated an accelerated pace. By taking larger than normal doses of the drug along with extended exposure under the lamp, the slow darkening process was intensified.

Despite the serious health hazards, the doctor agreed to the acceleration but monitored the experiment with regular blood tests that charted any damage to the liver. None of the blood tests indicated liver damage from the Oxsoralen and, except for lassitude and extreme nausea, Griffin experienced no lasting ill-effects.2
Griffin did not die of skin cancer, nor did he die from any malady related to his Black Like Me experiment. He was in poor health for much of his adult life, not only because of the head injury he suffered in World War II but also from spinal malaria (which left him paralyzed for a time), diabetes, and osteomyelitis (an acute and chronic bone infection). Griffin's health took a serious turn for the worse when he suffered a severe heart attack while on an extended lecture tour in late 1976, yet he lived for another four years, enduring several more heart attacks and surgeries before passing away at age 60 from diabetes-related complications on 9 September 1980.

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 03:42 AM
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2. Yes. Bruno can't WAIT to say the N word
And goes on how if he were black he would accept someone calling him by that epithet by saying "Wow, I wonder why he is so angry and calling me that?" and moving on. He is a case.

And yes, the make-up jobs are exceptional!
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 04:36 AM
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9. Wouldn't it be fun to have a gay version of this show!?!
It would be interesting for some to see what it is like to see the freedoms that gay men, lesbians, bisexuals, or transsexuals have in America.

:evilgrin:
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 04:49 PM
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20. Yeah, how exactly would they do that?
Make gay people dress and act straight, and make straight people dress and act gay?

:eyes:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 03:47 AM
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3. The black couple doesn't really look White to me.....
Although the son does.

The Young girl will probably learn the most....cause she's open for it.

The White Dad will continue to see the world through his white man's eyes....and most likely won't learn a damn thing!

Interesting show......

reminds me of the premise in the Invisible man....a book I read eons ago. Think it was a movie as well.



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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 01:48 PM
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15. You didn't think so?
Edited on Thu Mar-09-06 01:49 PM by Behind the Aegis
I thought they all looked good. I think the dad should lose the mustache (although, it looked better the second day).
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 04:28 PM
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16. Nope....I don't think they "pass for White".....
I'm mixed...and I look more White than both the Black parents with their White Make-up....and I don't think I could pass for "White" .....maybe Hispanic or middle easterner or North African....but their features (nose and lips) really don't allow them to look straight up caucasian.....unless one wants to insist on say....Italian (big maybe, maybe not...would have to see the make-up job in person).

Heck....look at Angelina Jolie or Mariah Carey (One white the other mixed)....even they would be questioned as to whether they were White.....and their features aren't even all that Black (except for Angelina's lips--which is my same issue).

If you add that both the mom and the dad are obviously wearing wigs (which are more apparent in person, I am sure).....I'm doubting that they look white enough to pass muster dealing with a bunch of white folks.

However, I will add one caveat: White people have a much harder time knowing who's what than do Black folks. I've noticed that Black folks don't ever ask me if I'm Black or what...but White folks 10 out of 10 always, always, ask me what my nationality is.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 04:43 PM
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18. I thought they looked kinda albino.
Features are a bigger deal than most people realize.

The white people were almost laughable. I'm waiting for someone to get angry at them for being in blackface.

The black family was more believable, but only because they knew how to blend in with the other side.

Actually, the black son was the only one that I thought was flawless.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 04:56 PM
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23. Yep....Albino Blacks...I knew an entire family in Berkeley that was
that, with about 4 or 5 kids!

In reference to the White Folks, actually, IMO...they actually could pass for Black...in particular, the mom. Reason might be that Blacks are mixed with many things anyways, and so combo could show up. The fact that both the mom and the daughter have "white features" doesn't deviate too much from Black people who may be dark in Hue but have "fine" features...and there are a lot of those.

So as a Black person, I find that overall, the White family's make up makes them look more "black" than the Black family's make up makes them look White.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 05:01 PM
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25. Something in their eyes gives it away.
I don't know what it is...I look at them and see a white family in blackface.

None of them have features that are remotely African, though the daughter at times looked perfect (when her make-up was first done) and at other times looked totally fake (at the Slam reading - eek).

The fact that they are all completely and hopelessly crackafied in terms of mannerisms doesn't help.

Disclosure: I am white.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 05:01 PM
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27. To me they looked like they were wearing odd disguises
To me the whole cast looked a little strange except for the white daughter who was transformed. I thought she looked extremely believable.
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Pushed To The Left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 03:51 AM
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4. I saw it. Very interesting
It was interesting to see how different Brian's experience was from Bruno's. I think both of them made valid points in their argument in the car. Some of the racial transformations are more convincing than others. Both kids were very convincing, as was Brian. Bruno actually looks more Middle Eastern than black with the makeup on. I will definitely continue to watch!
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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 04:00 AM
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5. The problem is Bruno's complete inability to put himself...
...in another man's shoes. Like when he says "You're looking for something (racism) that isn't there". I f I was him, and didn't feel I was being treated badly, I'd be honest about it, but I would say "You're looking for something that isn't always necessarily there." But for some reason Bruno feels the need to deny and invalidate Brian's experiences and essentially say that he's either negative, paranoid, or a liar. Sure Brian is probably a bit more attuned to seeing racism in little gestures, Those gestures are often subtle, so it's possible that he sometimes does see it when it's not there. But the fact is that it often is real, which is the reason for the hypersensitivity in the first place.

I really dislike Bruno and his superior attitude. He claims to approach everything and everyone with love and joy, but he doesn't seem to exude those things to me - just typical smug, white, self-satisfaction. I'll bet he gets plenty of loogeys on his burgers at Wendy's...
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 04:23 AM
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8. I agree....
...Hopefully, over the course of the season, that will change. My partner said it would have been great to have him and Brian apply for the same job at the bar, then show Bruno the 'aftermath' of his interview versus Brian's experience. Or, have Bruno, in make-up, come into the bar and talk to patrons, then see what was said AFTER he left!

I am really interested to see how this show progresses.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 04:46 PM
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19. I wonder if they will reveal that he is a Republican.
I'd be shocked if he wasn't.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 04:56 AM
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13. I put it on the TiVo
but haven't watched yet.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 05:00 AM
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14. you are hereby ordered to report back!
:)
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 04:38 PM
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17. Yeah, it was great.
The white people didn't look too convincing, though.

I found myself wanting to throttle the white father. He is dumb as a brick.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 04:51 PM
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21. Yes I watched it
Not sure what I thought of it.
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julialnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 04:55 PM
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22. I loved the daughter
she seemed to be really getting something out of it.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 04:59 PM
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24. No, but I wanted to watch it.
Edited on Thu Mar-09-06 05:01 PM by cat_girl25


The only one believeable in this pic is the young girl. The guy just looks creepy. In fact, he probably looks creepy in his natural white face. :-)



The only one believable in this pic is the young son.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 05:01 PM
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26. I couldn't bear to watch it.
I saw a bit of the families being interviewed on Oprah. The white mother was in some kind of poetry group and said, to a Black woman, "you beautiful black creature." When the Black family told her why they found this unacceptable, she argued with them. Just that clip made me feel that all they do is argue.

Did I completely misread the show?
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 05:09 PM
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28. Not really.
The white people said a lot of really stupid things.

There were times where I was like, "Where did they get these people, Idaho???"
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 05:11 PM
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29. As a white person, I really can't take any more stupid white people
pretending to want a life-altering experience, then sticking their fingers in their ears and not hearing a word that possibly causes them to reevaluate themselves.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 05:12 PM
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30. You would hate this show then.
The white male lead was infuriating to watch.

I can't remember the last time I so desperately wanted to jump into the screen and smack some sense into someone.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-09-06 05:13 PM
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31. Perhaps I shouldn't watch it. I wouldn't want to have an aneurysm.
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