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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 03:17 PM
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I thought John McCain was supposed to be pro-choice
He now says that, if he were governor if South Dakota, he would sign the abortion bill.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/3/6/132113/2039

It looks like he is really running to capture the far right vote
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 03:17 PM
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1. John McCain is Pro-Vote-For-John-McCain
Nothing more.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 03:20 PM
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6. Presto!
You are so right!
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 03:21 PM
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8. that pretty much sums it up
.
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 03:53 PM
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25. Absolutely, when will the rest of the electorate get that?
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 03:19 PM
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2. I don't know
He's trying to appeal to the fundies. Last October according to crooksandliars.com he met with Jerry Falwell so he wants to be president and he's going the Bush route.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 03:23 PM
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11. And he can do this because those who would support him, believing...
...that he's a moderate, will just go right on entertaining their misconceptions. It's how people are.
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Greybnk48 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 03:19 PM
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3. I think he's psychotic...seriously. n/t
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 03:29 PM
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16. I know one thing, for sure...
He would eagerly eat a yard of shit if it got him two inches closer to his goal. He's just as unprincipled as the rest of them. And did he ever make a peep when B*sh nullified his anti-torture bill by issuing a signing statement? Nope. As far as I know, he rolled right over on that one.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 03:19 PM
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4. All I know is he's pro "kissing Bush's ass no matter what"
What's worse is, lots of good Democrats still think he's a "different kind of Republican that I could support". He makes me ill.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 03:20 PM
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5. When did he ever say that he was pro-choice?
:shrug:
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 04:53 PM
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39. I guess I was wrong
I thought I remembered hearing that McCain would never get the Republican nomination because right wing fundies wouldn't allow it. I thought the reason was his views on abortion, but I was mistaken.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 08:50 PM
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42. Same question Freddie
It's his pro-life beliefs that make him acceptable to the Republican base. They'll forgive almost anything, but not that.

Were he pro-choice, he wouldn't have a shot at the nomination.
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 03:20 PM
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7. He's never been pro-choice
He just admitted when nailed on the topic that he would consider sending his daughter to Canada if she got pregnant and the U.S. outlawed abortion.
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 03:27 PM
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14. That is correct.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 04:45 PM
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38. Wow! Did he really say that?
That's rather hypocritical of him, isn't it?

I think it's time that someone starts to swiftboat him. There is so much about this guy that is wrong, but so many people think that he would be right for the country. Just listen to Chris Matthews (I know, I know)
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 03:22 PM
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9. McCain is bad news.
He flip-flops around and you never know what he really stands for. I think he stands for Bushism.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 04:04 PM
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28. I dislike him more than bush...he is such a ass kisser..we should
have pleanty of stuff on him that bush managed to bring out (mostly lies) but all we have to do is run what the bush people had said about him when bush was going for the nomination..
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 03:22 PM
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10. McCain is whatever the attitude of the audience wants...........
him to say......hes a fence sitter..........
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 07:11 PM
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40. He's a little more enthusiastic than that............ He's more like a
fence HUMPER.

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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 03:23 PM
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12. McCain is not pro-choice.
He said again and again he was prolife and voted for every prolife bill in the Senate.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 03:26 PM
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13. If John McCain thought setting himself on fire
on live tv would get him the Oval Office, you can bet the farm he would.


Political whore down to the soles of his shoes. Cares for nothing except his own blinding ambition.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 03:29 PM
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15. McCain will be anything you want him to be so long as
he can be president.
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BeerIsClear Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 03:30 PM
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eh
McCain is a right-wing extremist just like his buddy in the White House and the rest of them.

Why do you think he's a Republican?
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 03:30 PM
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17. His soul belongs to the RNC
He will take whatever position and say whatever it takes to become president. He has no integrity, no convictions. Any sort of positive thoughts I had about that man are long gone.
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lisa58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 03:32 PM
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18. I think John McCain has lost whatever "maverick" quality...
...he garnered for himself by putting up with this administration in the hope of getting the nomination in 2008 - but I do remember when he was answering questions about being Kerry's running mate he said he didn't know why Kerry would want him for a litany of reasons, one being he was pro-life.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 03:33 PM
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19. That's how you get Rove's list of suckers .. ehm .. donors. nt
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Kber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 03:35 PM
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20. McCain has one of the most consistant anti-choice voting records
in the Senate.

It's just the media spin trying to make him look like a moderate that gives people the impression that he's pro-choice. He's not and never has been.

Give him points for consistancy at least.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 03:40 PM
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22. John McCain, Hypocrite
John McCain, Hypocrite
by Doug Ireland

John McCain, the media's darling, has found a clever way around his own campaign finance reform law to take big corporate bucks in furtherance of his political ambitions while carrying water for the corporate mammoth providing the dough. But the national press is ignoring the story.


The Associated Press first ran the story of John McCain's odorous but lucrative Senatorial service to the communications giant Cablevision on the afternoon of March 7. But, while some local papers in McCain's home state (like the East Valley Tribune) have run the story, nothing has as yet made it into the print editions of the New York Times, the L.A. Times, the Washington Post, or any of the half-dozen other big city dailies I checked (although, if one searches the hundreds of AP stories available on the Post's website on its Politics page by clicking on "Latest Wire Reports," one can find it there--but how many readers would bother to do that?) One notable exception: the Kansas City Star.


Here's what the AP's investigation found:


McCain repeatedly intervened on behalf of a policy Cablevision favored -- one which "congressional and private studies conclude could make cable more expensive" -- while his chief political adviser, Rick Davis (who's masterminding McCain's probable '08 presidential rerun) solicited $200,000 in contributions from Cablevision to an institute that promotes McCain and pays Davis a $110,000 annual salary.


The Reform Institute was set up to promote McCain and his issues--especially campaign finance reform, embodied in the famous McCain-Feingold law. This Institute is "a tax-exempt group that touts McCain's views and has showcased him at events since his unsuccessful 2000 presidential campaign," and it "often uses the senator's name in press releases and fund-raising letters and includes him at press conferences," the AP says. And, of course, it provides a cushy sinecure with no heavy lifting for McCain's main man, Davis, as he prepares the pontificating Senator's next presidential run. Cablevision's contributions account for a whopping 15% of the Institute's budget.


http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0309-35.htm


The Bushification of John McCain

By Ari Melber, AlterNet. Posted November 15, 2005.

The bad blood between the two men has been infamous since 2000, when Bush's campaign lied about McCain's family and war service, and McCain told Bush to "get out of the gutter."

But during Bush's reelection in 2004, McCain strained to embrace his former rival -- literally. In their first joint appearance, they hugged dramatically before 6,000 soldiers at a Fort Lewis rally. Those events made for great campaign visuals. Yet while most Americans saw McCain's big heart, Republican leaders saw hungry ambition.

Rich Lowry, editor of the conservative magazine National Review, recently described that campaign bear hug as nothing but proof of "the senator's presidential ambitions." Lowry argues it's just part of McCain's scheme to get "the Right to stop loathing him." In targeted moves since the election, McCain has continued his Bushification by changing positions on conservative priorities like creationism, gay marriage and tax cuts.

As the costs of Hurricane Katrina mounted, McCain went on national television and told Chris Mathews the Bush tax cuts must be maintained. But McCain voted against those tax cuts.

In fact, he was one of only two Republicans to oppose Bush's signature 2001 tax cut. Given the surging costs of Katrina, Iraq and Medicare, there is no policy rationale for reversing his position now. The only rationale is political pandering. And that's exactly how some influential conservatives see it. Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform, recently said that although McCain has "flip-flopped on a number of issues," he is still "anti-taxpayer" because "he's voted against every tax cut."

Yet the mainstream media is so attached to McCain's maverick image, most journalists didn't cover the tax reversal.


http://www.alternet.org/story/28266 /
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 04:11 PM
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29. No shit. Media being enamoured with him
doesn't excuse the ignorance displayed on this thread. Pathetic. How hard is it to actually check someone's record rather than be spoon fed by the media? I see this repeatedly at DU.
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BIG Sean Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 03:37 PM
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21. John McCain is a Conservative
He is not 'middle of the road' at all.
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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 03:47 PM
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23. Risk free conservative cred for the 2008 primaries for McCain
Plus he's always been anti-choice.

And there will be no general election cost because dumbass swing voters will just assume he the middle-of-the-road on this issue because the pundits who are infatued with him always call him a "maverick" and a "moderate." He take Nixon's advice and run as far and as fast to the right as he credibly can in the primaries and then run toward the center in the general election.
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degreesofgray Donating Member (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 03:52 PM
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24. Sorry, you were wrong
and I have heard him say before, with a sense of bewilderment, that he finds it a bit odd that so many Democrats seem to like him when he is pro-life, pro Iraq war, and a staunch conservative.

What McCain has going for him that many people like is that, to many, he comes across as personable and intelligent, despite his politics.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 03:58 PM
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26. Mc Cain is an asshole....he will do anything to get the president
nomination...he makes me sick when I see the picture with his arm around bush...and now just looking at him makes me sick...it is like looking at bush.
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Cerebral_Assassin Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 03:59 PM
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27. McCain sells his soul...
Remember, it was that faction that did him in in 2000.

Darth Rove has taught his new apprentice well.....
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Sawkrates Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 04:13 PM
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30. Nope he's pro life
I vaguely recall that during the 2000 run he hinted that he wasn't very strongly pro life. Still regardless of what he actually things he has to suck up to conservative activists if he wants to get the Republican POTUS nomination in '08.
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Sawkrates Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 04:14 PM
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33. Which is to say, anti choice
<He smacks himself as he looks at the post>
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 04:13 PM
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31. He is whatever it takes to get the most for himself.
A Bush Hugger!
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RDU Socialist Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 04:14 PM
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32. He's always been anti-choice
he supposedly doesn't see abortion as a big deal though.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 04:16 PM
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34. Depends which way the wind is blowing...
Just like the rest of the GOP, he's a fully-paid for whore...
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 04:25 PM
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35. What an asshole
Supports forcing rape and incest victims to carry the baby to term? Check.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 04:37 PM
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36. McCAIN: "I am proud of my pro-life record..."
On “Meet the Press,” McCain said he had “come to the conclusion that the exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother are legitimate exceptions” to an outright ban on abortions. “I don’t claim to be a theologian, but I have my moral beliefs.” If Roe v. Wade is overturned and abortion outlawed, McCain said he believes doctors who performed abortions would be prosecuted. “But I would not prosecute a woman” who obtained an abortion.
Source: Boston Globe, p. A9 Jan 31, 2000

“Family Conference” if daughter wanted an abortion

KEYES : What you would say if your daughter was ever in a position where she might need an abortion? You answered that the choice would be up to her and then that you’d have a family conference. That displayed a profound lack of understanding of the basic issue of principle involved in abortion. After all, if your daughter said she was contemplating killing her grandmother for the inheritance, you wouldn’t say, “Let’s have a family conference.” You’d look at her and say “Just Say No,“ because that is morally wrong. It is God’s choice that that child is in the womb. And for us to usurp that choice in contradiction of our declaration of principles is just as wrong.

McCAIN: I am proud of my pro-life record in public life, and I will continue to maintain it. I will not draw my children into this discussion. As a leader of a pro-life party with a pro-life position, I will persuade young Americans understand the importance of the preservation of the rights of the unborn.

More here: http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/John_McCain_Abortion.htm
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 04:41 PM
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37. Hes finished
A man who sells out what he believes in shows no character. Zero.

We can chew him up and spit him out with this . He wont stand a chance against the smear he will endure in an election with a shady past like he now has.
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JetCityLiberal Donating Member (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 08:39 PM
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41. Will never forget the birthday party pics
while New Orleans drowned. Nothing "pro-life" about him, whatever political crap he is selling today.
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