Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

It's so damned hard to get ahead in the US now that people of average

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU
 
Thtwudbeme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 09:22 AM
Original message
It's so damned hard to get ahead in the US now that people of average
intelligence, or below average, have to have a scapegoat.

I couldn't figure out how some of my Republican friends and aquaintences claim to "hate ALL liberals." Except for their friends, and families that are "misguided."

The gas station owner where I fill up claims to just absolutely despise Liberals...except that he likes me enough to always come in and shoot the crap about the weather, the price of gas...etc. Yes, he knows I where I stand politically.

It would be more fascinating to watch this intense national hatred escalate if Michael and I were living in a different country...and just watching it on the news.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Mikimouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 09:31 AM
Response to Original message
1. It emerges from the RW propaganda machine that constantly...
blames the money spent on social programs for the condition of the working class and the working poor. Liberals endorse spending for these programs and thus are the real culprits, not the fascists running the government. Until such time as those people who are the most vocal in their hatred of liberals realize that we are advocates for their interests, nothing will change.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 09:34 AM
Response to Original message
2. You are correct!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Libby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 09:54 AM
Response to Original message
3. Damn, is there some other place you can get gas?
I refuse to do business with any known bushies. LOL
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Thtwudbeme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 10:23 AM
Response to Reply #3
6. Plenty of places
I like this guy, and I like the business.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 09:59 AM
Response to Original message
4. Constant, long lasting persistent BRAIN WASHING has changed
a Good Term "Liberal"(one who has an open mind), into what you describe....

Listen to Hannity, Rush, OReally, etc, and you get the picture. Its been going on for 25 years and it worked. Social Engineering.

How fight back????.....make war on IGNORANCE
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 10:13 AM
Response to Reply #4
5. Fight back: make war on IGNORANCE! Beautiful!
Good bumper sticker material. I would add one word and make it:

Fight Back! Make war on WILLFUL IGNORANCE!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 11:16 AM
Response to Reply #5
8. Yup, Ya got it, we both see the picture.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 10:26 AM
Response to Original message
7. You can see the same kind of knee-jerk hatred coming from some
people who call themselves liberals when it comes to their attitudes about conservatives. It is sometimes reminiscent of a football rivalry, but far more serious. The psy opps masters have us about equally divided and hurling our epithets against each other than at the overlords.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 11:27 AM
Response to Original message
9. It's the "de-humanizing" aspect
like the military uses to deaden your humanity so you can kill some "anonymous" gook/Fritz/Jap/whatever without fearing that you're going to Hell . . .

Nearly every Repuke loves nearly every aspect of the party platform . . . until they actually have to stare face-to-face with "the enemy" - sometimes their co-worker who has been working side-by-side quietly for years, sometimes their son or daughter, sometimes their brother or sister, Mother or Father . . . then the "situation" changes, and they have to realize that this person is "the exception" (rather than the norm) and deserves a modicum of respect . . .
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hidden Stillness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 12:03 PM
Response to Original message
10. Duped--By Thinking That They Were Too Smart to Be Fooled By Us
I agree with the opinion that the problem is that they have had the "public"/media forum exclusively now for over 25 years, and have been slandering us and falsely characterizing everything we say, and censoring the response, and so this can only benefit them. I don't like to get into the thing of calling them "stupid," as some people do (not implying that you did), because it was false and it makes your own attitudes tainted.

The problem, I think, is not just that they are fooled--although they are--but that they believe that they are so clever, they and "the good people" understand the truth, and they will not be fooled by the treacherous liberal, as they have been warned. The thing that makes it difficult is that they think they are "analyzing" things and already know what they are; it would actually be better if they were just ignorant, as everybody is about many things, because then they might give you an open hearing on things. The problem is that they have a preconditioned defensiveness as to "what the facts are," and how, no matter what you say, they "know" you are "really" the lying, treacherous liberal "who is trying to destroy America/who never supports anything America does," etc. After all, they hear it constantly from people presented to them by the corporate media that gives them the Super Bowl and all the other norms of "entertainment" that you are the devil, no matter how you seem--so, watch for it! Republicans, the corporate lobbyists of "D"LC, Inc., everybody, says liberals are "bad." So they actually believe that they are already thinking.

This is why a total, corporate-trator phony like John McCain can get away with it year after year; not because of individual word or phrase "framing," but because of a total, manipulated impression that, (because archconservative), "everything is tough, brave, honest," blah blah, and anyone who actually correctly refutes the fake act, has not won by being right, but should really be treated as a lying wolf in sheep's clothing, because, remember, it is a liberal, and they are always really up to something else, which is destroying the country...You get the idea.

I think Democrats should change the approach from "these people are so stupid, how do I talk to them," to "they are totally duped by this eternally repeated line of thought fed into them, where they are actually deluded and stereotyping everything, never reading or learning anything, just like a cult, believing they are really smart and not fooled, which was exactly how they were fooled"--and learn how to talk to and un-do that. Our problem is to get past the opinion that no matter what we say, they "know what we really are," etc., this shit. The Democratic Party and its New Deal type policies for the good of all the people used to be the moral and philosophical center of this country before the corporatists of the Republican Party and "D"LC, Inc. came along with their smear campaigns, and we will be again as soon as people realize that we are the mainstream majority, and the others are the global capitalist anti-Americans, trying to destroy our way of life.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 12:47 PM
Response to Original message
11. The right wing spin meisters have vilified "liberals" like Blacks,Jews,
Catholics, Italians, the Irish and others were vilified in the past. It's is basically the same model, create a stereotype, vilify it, and use it to condemn everyone in the group and those who support them. For the people who need a scapegoat for what is wrong in their lives or who are insecure and need to feel superior, it is quite easy to shift focus to a new scapegoat. It's a same song, next verse sort of thing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 01:06 PM
Response to Original message
12. How to get ahead...
Freeper nephew explained to me once how he was going to get ahead and get rich in the US of A:

• Pray.

• Think positive thoughts.

• Buy real estate.

• Take vitamins (I can't figure this one out.)

It hasn't worked for him so far. He figures that this means that God wants him to be a preacher.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed May 01st 2024, 11:35 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC