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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 09:17 PM
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SCOOP: US computer infrastructure compromised by terrorist-owned company
Edited on Sun Mar-05-06 09:18 PM by althecat
New and exclusive to Scoop.co.nz....
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0603/S00079.htm

Port deal is nothing compared to Ptech -- US computer infrastructure compromised by terrorist-owned company; Cheney 'friends' with owner


By Patrick Devlin Buckley

While Congress and the media focus on the potential dangers of a UAE-owned company running American port operations, any possible threat is dwarfed by the current insecurity of the US government's computer infrastructure, which has been compromised by a company with multiple connections to terrorist financing.

The company, once known as Ptech (now GoAgile), has been contracted to provide sophisticated computer software to several government agencies, including the Army, the Air Force, Naval Air Command, Congress, the Department of Energy, the Department of Justice, Customs, the FAA, the IRS, NATO, the FBI, the Secret Service, and the White House.

Shortly after 9/11, the company's primary investor, Yassin al-Qadi (al-Kadi), was identified by the US government as a specially designated global terrorist. Officials describe al-Qadi as one of Osama bin Laden's "chief money launderers," and say he transferred as much as $3 billion to al-Qaeda during the 1990s.

Al-Qadi is a wealthy Saudi with connections to banking, diamonds, chemicals, construction, transportation, and real estate. He once headed Muwafaq, an Islamic charity the US Treasury Department described as an "al Qaeda front that receives funding from wealthy Saudi businessmen."

Al-Qadi also maintained an unusually close relationship with notable US politicians. While attempting to defend Ptech, the American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee of Massachusetts (ADCMA) revealed the fact that al-Qadi "was prominent in Washington circles and even showed President Jimmy Carter and Dick Cheney around during their visits to Saudi Arabia."

Al-Qadi told an Arab newspaper in October of 2001 that he "spoke to at length" and they "even became friends." Similarly, while speaking with Computer World Magazine, Ptech cofounder Oussama Ziade said that al-Qadi "talked very highly of his relationship with Jimmy Carter and Dick Cheney."

Ptech, under al-Qadi's ownership, supplied the US government with what is known as enterprise architecture. According to Glenn Watt of Backbone Security, "enterprise architecture is really the design, the layout, the blueprint if you will for the computer networks and computer systems that are going to go into an organization." In regards to Ptech, he said, "the software they put on your system could be collecting every key stroke that you type while you are on the computer. It could be establishing a connection to the outside terrorist organization through all of your security measures."


NOTE THE COMPLETE VERSION HAS LOTS OF HYPERLINKS TO SOURCES....
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0603/S00079.htm
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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 09:25 PM
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1. Looks like you guys are in serious trouble... n/t
Edited on Sun Mar-05-06 09:26 PM by Random_Australian

*edit* Damn. Not enough posts to recommend. Damn.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 10:45 AM
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44. I'll do it for you. ok
Welcome to the DU universe
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 03:57 PM
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53. Crap.
I use a Government network all day at the office. If it's bugged, they know one hell of a lot about us, probably even more than Bush, Cheney et al are telling them directly. Fucking traitors!
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 09:27 PM
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2. no surprise here. eom
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 04:00 PM
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54. read this years ago-the PTech story/evolution is mind boggling
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 09:39 PM
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3. Damn
Edited on Sun Mar-05-06 09:44 PM by BeFree
All it takes is a few keystokes and al-queda could stop commerce in America for a few days at least. Thanks to * and cheney they have us by the short hairs.

Head for the hills!
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 12:10 AM
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19. Richard Clarke's greatest concern is cyber-terrorism
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 09:43 AM
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35. Mine too
I always thought if I were a terrorist I would get computer experts, we are so reliant on them to function now.

It is not as impactful a picture as planes into a building but it would be far more effective.

God we live in strange times.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 09:43 PM
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4. Why does Sibel Edmonds always come to mind whenever I hear
these kinds of incredible relationships? I think we need to hear Sibel talk, because an enemy can't be an enemy if well-connected people in our government do business with them whenever they find it convenient to expand their empires.
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 04:50 AM
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30. Alarming -
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 08:20 AM
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34. Ptech: This proves Sibel Edmonds discoveries.
I'm glad there are alot of other Sibel Edmonds out there. It's time to clean house on all those quasi-companies. It's a form of rational protectionism.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 10:02 PM
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5. I'm not buying this. I read a dozen IT trade magazines a month (it's my
business to do so), and I've never heard of "Ptech." They cannot be a major player, and therefore a threat, if somebody like me has never heard of them.

I'd calling "sensationalism" on this one. Not to mention bullshit. (Notice the use of "could be" twice in the last sentence of the OP?)

Redstone
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 10:04 PM
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7. Nope. Read my links below. It is for real. Look at the CBS affiliate story
Edited on Sun Mar-05-06 10:04 PM by pauldp
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 10:21 PM
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11. I'll stand corrected on the ownership /financing stuff (which I did not
dispute anyway, and it's a damn good story), but I still don't think this company is much to worry about as far as its penetration into critical systems.

That said, I do applaud any investigation and will forgive any sensationalism, given that it's another black eye for bushyboy and them.

I'll post no more negative comments, because any story that puts a dent in the bush machine is a good story in my book.

Another chip knocked out of the Republican Wall is one more chip closer to collapsing that wall.

Redstone
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 10:45 PM
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14. Ptech is a major story
that first broke after 9-11.



Money trail leads to Saudi, U.S. says
Financier denies sending funds to bin Laden
By David Jackson, Laurie Cohen and Robert Manor
Tribune staff reporters
Published October 28, 2001

From a white-carpeted Jiddah office, 11 stories above the sun-spangled Red Sea, Yassin Kadi oversees a portfolio of business ventures and charitable projects that span the globe.

<snip>

U.S. government reports allege that Kadi's money has stretched from Osama bin Laden's military camps to south suburban Bridgeview, where a cell of Hamas operatives recruited "martyrs" for their campaign against Israel.

This month the Treasury Department froze Kadi's assets, along with those of 38 other people, charities and firms said to support terrorism. As evidence, a U.S. government official cites a 1998 Saudi bank audit that allegedly shows Kadi's Blessed Relief charity funneled $3 million to bin Laden, drawing the cash from some of that oil-rich country's wealthiest capitalists.

<snip>

The bank and the influential Mahfouz family that founded it say no such audit exists, and Kadi said no transfer of money to bin Laden took place. Kadi has said he will take legal action to strike his name from the Treasury list, but he had not done so by Friday. In a letter to British treasury officials, Kadi's lawyers demanded proof of his links to terrorism after his accounts were frozen there.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/showcase/chi-0110280277oct28,0,7746841.story?coll=chi-newsspecials-hed

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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 10:06 AM
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36. Al-Kadi is part of the bin-Laden/bin-Mahfouz group that funded Carlyle
Edited on Mon Mar-06-06 10:07 AM by leveymg
Group and Harken Energy. They are chief backers of the Bush family. Through their US corporate and banking holdings (the Saudis have a controlling interest in Citicorp, Exxon-Mobil and the other biggest multinationals), these families and the Saudi Royals have funded and controlled the GOP.

American government and corporations have literally been colonized.

When are the American people going to understand and do something about this?

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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 11:21 AM
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47. The Saudi bin Laden Group controlled Kadi's Global Diamonds company
along with some of his his other businesses.

Before 9/11, the Bin Ladens and Al-Kadi were being protected from FBI prodding, because the al-Qaeda network was a CIA counter-terrorism operation.

Called Off the Trail?
FBI Agents Probing Terror Links Say They Were Told, ‘Let Sleeping Dogs Lie’

ABC News 12/20/02: Brian Ross and Vic Walter

Original Link: http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/primetime/DailyNews/FBI_whistleblowers021219.html
(ABC link no longer functions - reposted at: http://www.prisonplanet.com/news_alert_122002_terror.html )

Two veteran FBI investigators say they were ordered to stop investigations into a suspected terror cell linked to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network and the Sept. 11 attacks. In a dramatic interview with ABCNEWS, FBI special agents and partners Robert Wright and John Vincent say they were called off criminal investigations of suspected terrorists tied to the deadly bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa. U.S. officials say al Qaeda was responsible for the embassy attacks and the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in the United States."September the 11th is a direct result of the incompetence of the FBI's International Terrorism Unit. No doubt about that. Absolutely no doubt about that," Wright said. "You can't know the things I know and not go public." In the mid-1990s, with growing terrorism in the Middle East, the two Chicago-based agents were assigned to track a connection to Chicago, a suspected terrorist cell that would later lead them to a link with Osama bin Laden. Wright says that when he pressed for authorization to open a criminal investigation into the money trail, his supervisor stopped him.

SNIP

‘You Will Not Open Criminal Investigations’

The suspected terrorist cell in Chicago was the basis of the investigation, yet Wright, who remains with the FBI, says he soon discovered that all the FBI intelligence division wanted him to do was to follow suspected terrorists and file reports — but make no arrests. "The supervisor who was there from headquarters was right straight across from me and started yelling at me: 'You will not open criminal investigations. I forbid any of you. You will not open criminal investigations against any of these intelligence subjects,'" Wright said. Even though they were on a terrorism task force and said they had proof of criminal activity, Wright said he was told not to pursue the matter. n 1998 al Qaeda terrorists bombed two American embassies in Africa. The agents say some of the money for the attacks led back to the people they had been tracking in Chicago and to a powerful Saudi Arabian businessman, Yassin al-Kadi. Al-Kadi is one of 12 Saudi businessmen suspected of funneling millions of dollars to al Qaeda and who had extensive business and financial ties in Chicago. Yet, even after the bombings, Wright said FBI headquarters wanted no arrests.

"Two months after the embassies are hit in Africa, they wanted to shut down the criminal investigation," said Wright. "They wanted to kill it." The move outraged Chicago federal prosecutor Mark Flessner, who was assigned to the case despite efforts Wright and Vincent say were made by superiors to block the probe. Flessner said Wright and Vincent were helping him build a strong criminal case against al-Kadi and others. "There were powers bigger than I was in the Justice Department and within the FBI that simply were not going to let it happen. And it didn't happen, " Flessner said. He said he still couldn't figure out why Washington stopped the case — whether it was Saudi influence or bureaucratic ineptitude.

SNIP

But on Dec. 6, U.S. Customs agents, as part of their own investigation, conducted a midnight search of a Boston-area company believed to be secretly owned and controlled by al-Kadi. The company provides computer software to the FBI and other key federal agencies, which means al-Kadi and his employees could have had access to some of the government's most sensitive secrets. Al-Kadi is on the U.S. government's "dirty dozen" list of leading terror financiers being investigated by the CIA. The federal government says it is pursuing possible criminal charges. "I was relieved that Customs was picking it up … where we failed big time," said Wright. "There's so much more. God, there's so much more. A lot more."

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Steve A Play Donating Member (638 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 04:16 AM
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29. You're apparently not too good at your job
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 05:47 PM
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58. Me, too, Steve P. Ptech--FBI shut down investigation
per Daniel Hopsicker at madcowprod.com ! This is 'smoking gun' stuff here.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 05:31 PM
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56. Madcowprod article on Ptech, how FBI spiked investigation
FBI shuts down investigation into Saudi terror cell in Boston
http://www.madcowprod.com/mc4512004.html

Ptech's access to computers at FAA and NAS - National Airspace Systems agency- make the piggybacking of the wargames being held on Sept 11th look more and more like an inside job with the 'plausible deniability' of a foreign firm having that access...

Wargames on 9-11 at oilempire's website
http://www.oilempire.us/wargames.html

Also, on 9-11 the FAA had under 33 active FAA Air Marshals on duty, per the 9-11 Commission Report section 3. The President, as of that Aug. 6 pdb, failed to 'beef up' the Air Marshals.
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 10:03 PM
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6. I was wondering when this would re-surface.
Indira Singh talked about P-tech
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=344x4#24
The Guns and Butter interview part 2 is especially chilling.

A local Boston CBS affiliate did a story about this as well.
http://www.wbz4.com/iteam/local_story_343145212.html
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 02:39 AM
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22. Indira Singh...thanks for reminding me of her name.
The first time I heard of Ptech was when I read the "Guns and Butter" interview several months ago, but somehow I blocked on Indira Singh's name when I started reading the OP. I knew it wasn't Sibel Edmonds, but someone else with similar inside knowledge.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 10:06 PM
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8. kick and nom :) nt
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 10:07 PM
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9. Michael Chertoff and the sabotage of the Ptech investigation
Edited on Sun Mar-05-06 10:52 PM by seemslikeadream
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 10:20 PM
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10. I was just about to post this, here's a similar blog entry
This is very complicated, just wish the scoops article was a little less jumbled. Here's another link, which has several links with in it: <http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/01/michael-chertoff-and-sabotage-of-ptech.html>

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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 12:06 AM
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18. Thanks for that.. I was wondering how much this was going over old ground.
... it was new to me... but it seems it has been well traversed.

I just read the Vanity Fair piece on Sibel for the first time yesterday too... tis a great piece... vanity fair is fast becoming my favourite MSM read.

al
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 02:09 AM
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20. Thanks for the links. n/t
Edited on Mon Mar-06-06 02:10 AM by pauldp
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 10:35 PM
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12. Just when you thought it was safe to hand out contracts to terrorists...
...to run your information technology infrastructure. Wow.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 10:37 PM
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13. Great - another scandal to monitor.
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 11:17 PM
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15. getting ridiculous isn't it? n/t
Edited on Sun Mar-05-06 11:17 PM by pauldp
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 11:17 PM
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16. P-R-O-M-I-S n/t
:eyes:
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-05-06 11:55 PM
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17. America is truely boxed in by Cheney THE terrorist.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 02:28 AM
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21. Send this link EVERYWHERE. It's worse than PORTGate,much!!!
Edited on Mon Mar-06-06 02:29 AM by autorank
althecat, this is the "Scoop" of the last 2-3 years, seriously. What insanity! An identified terrorist owning a company that digs deeply into our systems and network infrastructure. Total insanity...or is it?

THIS LINK NEEDS TO GO EVERYWHERE!!!


http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0603/S00079.htm


Thanks to "Scoop" Independent Media for getting the TRUTH out to your cyber cousins!

Amazing stuff. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED.

(England gives us bLIAR. New Zealand give us "Scoop" Let's forge a new special relationship.
So how about a DC bureau for those of us who remain news starved!;)
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 03:23 AM
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23. Yes it is worse than the Dubai deal.
It already happened.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 03:57 AM
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24. Right and it impacts us as we simply exchange messages.
They've put the whole internet at risk. What idiots!



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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 04:05 AM
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25. finally
now, who's going to pay attention?
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 04:08 AM
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26. IBM, Federal Aviation Agency, Sysco, Motorola, Honeywell, IRS, ABN-AMRO,
Sprint, United States Postal Service, House of Representatives, United States Senate, Executive Office of the President, Secret Service, Department of Navy, Air Force, NATO, Mitre, FBI.

some of Ptech's clients


see Indira Singh

Sibel Edmonds and other Whistleblowers Group
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=344
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 04:10 AM
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27. Sent to Olberman. n/t
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 04:14 AM
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28. "(Ptech) is a clandestine op on the level of Iran-Contra."
And I have reason to believe this because Care International that was mentioned in one of the slides is a renamed version of Alkhifah which was the funding arm for WTC 93. Prior to Alkhifah it was called Maktab Al-Khidamat, which is the funding arm for the Afghani Mujahideen. It was how the monies got to Osama bin Laden through the Pakistani ISI."

"This is no different than Iran-Contra. In fact the same names that were around there are affiliated with Ptech. The same illegal clandestines are affiliated behind the scenes with Ptech."

"...the terrorists knew that there were war games scheduled for this day and they took advantage of it and called 9-11 a particular day. However, we do know that 9-11 had been selected prior. Okay, so then maybe the war games were set many weeks prior, before 9-11. And you can play this game over and over. Yes, it was the perfect day. And, yes you needed inside knowledge and yes, Ptech, in all its myriad associations would have had the inside knowledge, and yes Ptech was a CIA front, and yes Ptech was protected.
So, was it an inside job? You don’t have to look at this indirectly, this direct, this requires direct investigation."

-- Indira Singh


Sibel Edmonds and other Whistleblowers Group
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=344
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 10:28 AM
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38. To be honest with you, the inside knowledge necessary for the 9/11 attacks
Edited on Mon Mar-06-06 11:05 AM by leveymg
was limited to what could be learned by a handful of Saudi and Pakistani intelligence operatives and air attaches.

The Vigilant Guardian and other exercises held that day were NOT tightly compartmentalized secrets, and they were all planned months in advance and widely known about by multiple federal agencies and within the Air Force. That means the same information was easily available to foreign intelligence agencies.

The 9/11 attacks no doubt piggy-backed onto them, and an organization such as Ptech may have been useful for monitoring events that day, but they were not an essential feature of the attack. This was one of the areas that DIA and FBI looked very closely at after the attacks, and these investigative leads apparently didn't turn up as much as Singh's article might lead one to believe. Ptec may have been kept open as a conduit for passing disinformation. Several FBI agents were strongly persuaded to back off when they began to investigate al-Kadi and Ptec.

BTW: every major foreign country uses a combination of diplomatic and corporate cover to spy inside the U.S., and US intelligence has been known to keep operations going in order to see what they're doing and who's behind them. Efforts to place trojans and backdoors into USG operating software and communications networks have been ongoing. The vulnerability of NSA, in particular, was greatly increased after much of that agency's IT operations were turned over to private sector contractors. In 2000-01, Gen. Hayden oversaw Operation Groundbreaker that contracted these functions to big telecom and info tech companies. Many of these companies are at least partially foreign-owned, and some are tied to the Abramoff GOP foreign influence-peddling operation. See, http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/1/25/132559/979
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 11:15 AM
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46. "war games not an essential feature of the attack"
- the war games caused confusion about what was real and what was exercise that day (plausible confusability).
- they diverted much of the protection far away from where it was needed that day

I'd say the war games were an essential feature of the attack.


Not many private sector contractors are owned/financed by Saudis with financial ties to terrorism (which the official 9-11 commission didn't investigate). Nor do many contractors provide software that monitors and can intervene in all data communications of most govt agencies and large corporations.
There are even fewer for which both is true. Which besides Ptech?
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 11:55 AM
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50. The "Planes Operation" goes back to 1995, and more specific planning
Edited on Mon Mar-06-06 12:12 PM by leveymg
occurred in January 2000 at Kuala Lumpur, where al-Midhar and al-Hazmi (Flt. 77) met with Moh. Atta's roommate, Ramzi bin al Shibh, and about a dozen other al-Qaeda figures to plan what would become the 9/11 and USS Cole attacks. The NSA along with British Intelligence had been aware since 1995 that the al-Midhar family was running an al-Qaeda communications center in Yemen, and Nawaf al-Hazmi was tracked by NSA to the Malaysia planning summit. CIA and half a dozen allied agencies monitored the meeting and tracked the pair as they left the meeting and entered the US at LAX on 01/15/00. The FBI liason officer at the CIA CTC was ordered to withhold a cable to FBI National Security Unit (John O'Neill's group) notifying that office about the pair's arrival. See, http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0310/S00257.htm

That tells me that the 9/11-style attack would have gone forward regardless of the confusion caused by the drills -- they might not have been quite the "catastrophic success" they were, but the hijacked airplanes as cruise missiles attack would have been tried.

FBI headquarters knew all about al-Kadi (al-Qadi) and Ptech for years. I would surmise that al-Kadi is a double and the CIA was funneling disinformation through PTech, just as they did through copies of Promis. See my second post, above, in response to DoYouEverWonder.

As for other Saudi and foreign-owned companies that have entre into US intelligence information systems, GOOGLE Operation Groundbreaker, Foxcom Wireless and Comverse Infosystems. The Chinese also got numerous people into high-level staff positions at several large telcoms and network security companies. I don't think Ptech really has the capability of getting a direct link into the most sensitive USG systems. That appears to be a Double-Cross type disinformation operation. Effective foreign intel operations are more likely to be carried out from within legitimate federal IT contractors, and some key foreign agents may have been far easier to place inside NSA than previously because the agency no longer carries out much of its own systems design and operations functions.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 05:54 AM
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31. K & R...This is just too important not to keep it kicked.
:kick:
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 06:07 AM
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32. Shades of Battlestar Galactica...
How the Cylons were able to get into the defenses of the humans.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 07:55 AM
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33. another spring in the dike. Not enough fingers!
Our country has been compromised to the extent it sometimes seems hopeless.

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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 10:17 AM
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37. google Indira Singh
yes she's been mentioned in this thread but she has received SCANT ATTENTION even here at DU. Probably because actually listening to her will induce people into MIHOP style thinking and we all know that's just intolerable.

So, tagging this thread copiously for the bots:

Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh Indira Singh
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 10:33 AM
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39. Didn't Judy Miller warn this outfit....
of the government raid of their office a day before it occurred, allowing them to scrub? Isn't Fitzgerald investigating Miller for this and trying to subpoena her phone records? Forgive me if I'm confusing this with another issue.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 10:44 AM
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42. I think that was a different charity
called Global Relief Foundation.

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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 10:52 AM
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45. She tipped off two groups about Fitz's raid
source: Sourcewatch Judith Miller, Three Islamic Charities tip-off
http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:67T2ejha1rMJ:www.franklingate.com/white_house_iraq_group.htm


Miller and Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald Part 1

On April 6, 2004, Josh Marshall reported (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2004_04_04.php#002807) how U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald of Chicago "had quite aggressively investigated another Bush White House leak in late 2001 and early 2002. Fitzgerald had been investigating three Islamic charities accused of supporting terrorism -- the Holy Land Foundation, the Global Relief Foundation, and the Benevolence International Foundation. But just before his investigators could swoop in with warrants , two of the charities in question got wind of what was coming and, apparently, were able to destroy a good deal of evidence.

"What tipped them off were calls from two reporters at the New York Times who'd been leaked information about the investigation by folks at the White House.

"One of those two reporters was Judy Miller." The other was New York Times reporter Philip Shenon. <3> (http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/7/7/1148/62336)

Marshall's point in April 2004 wasn't that "the White House did something else wrong," in fact, he wrote, he was "told that in this case the White House really hadn't done anything improper at all."

However, "Fitzgerald was pissed and apparently went after them very aggressively -- and this for a case in which," he was told, "there really wasn't much to go after," which "might be something to keep in mind when figuring how the Plame investigation might play out." <4> (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2004_04_04.php#002807)
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 01:46 PM
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51. Jeez, I didn't know
she tipped off two different charities. She can't even claim plausible deniablity, like oops I didn't know I wasn't supposed to tell anybody. When is this witch going back to jail? It certainly isn't soon enough.

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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 10:33 AM
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40. DU Link to media testimony and interviews of Indira Singh
Edited on Mon Mar-06-06 10:36 AM by OmmmSweetOmmm
Indira Singh has been a whistle blower on PTech, and her name should be as recognizable as Sibel Edmonds.

Thank you rman for the compilation!

Must see:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=344x4
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 11:25 AM
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49. "...will make the Third Reich look like a tea party"
"...this has to be made very clear, there are some extraordinarily real patriotic Americans and good people in the FBI, as has been said by, I believe, Agent Colleen Rowley, one of the FBI whistleblowers’ bosses, that there’s a wall in the FBI, and this has been validated to me by various attorneys in Houston, who are very close to the power bases, and are pretty ticked-off at what’s happening in this country and are speaking out, as are many CIA agents who are very concerned that it has gone too far, as are many NSA agents who are concerned that it’s gone too far, and FBI agents. So we have a lot of people who are speaking out, they’ve kept quiet too long; they’re afraid, they’re afraid of what’s happening to this country. And when I say the Third Reich, what is happening to this country, they say, and I will identify ‘they’ if pressed, they say, will make the Third Reich look like a tea party. I guess we have that many more billion people to control on this planet."
-- Indira Singh


from part 2 of KPFA "Guns and Butter" Interviews with Indira Singh
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=142316
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 10:35 AM
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41. MUST-READ ARTICLE. Thanks, althecat!
The Bush Crime Family let these turds get away with murder.

Why?
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 10:45 AM
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43. Here's the link chart that's in the Scoop article
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 11:24 AM
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48. Whoa! A MUST READ thread, imo
Thanks for this, very important info here.

Recommended.
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atomic-fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 03:11 PM
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52. They don't have much of a website....sounds fishy...
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 05:22 PM
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55. Pre 9-11 NSA 'policy shift' , now, check out how it all began in 1973....
Edited on Mon Mar-06-06 05:35 PM by EVDebs
See No Evil: What Bush Didn't (Want To) Know About 9/11
TomPaine.com
Saturday, March 1, 2003
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=195&row=1

""Despite these tantalizing facts, Abdullah and his operations were A-OK with the FBI chiefs, if not their working agents. Just a dumb SNAFU? Not according to a top-level CIA operative who spoke with us on condition of strictest anonymity. After Bush took office, he said, "there was a major policy shift" at the National Security Agency. Investigators were ordered to "back off" from any inquiries into Saudi Arabian financing of terror networks, especially if they touched on Saudi royals and their retainers. That put the bin Ladens, a family worth a reported $12 billion and a virtual arm of the Saudi royal household, off-limits for investigation. Osama was the exception; he remained a wanted man, but agents could not look too closely at how he filled his piggy bank. The key rule of any investigation, "follow the money," was now violated, and investigations -- at least before 9/11 -- began to die.""

NSA's PRE-9/11 'POLICY SHIFT' away from OBL tow Bush's domestic 'enemies' (read US citizens exercising lawful right to dissent). BTW, the old '73 war plans of Nixon to seize Saudi oilfields were simply shifted and tweaked to 30 years later and moved to Iraq's oilfields:

Document reveals Nixon plan to seize Arab oil fields
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/01/02/MNG8G427D61.DTL

along with the Quakers being subject to domestic spying, because they told the truth about the permanent bases in Iraq's oilfields at their website,

If the U.S. is ultimately leaving Iraq, why is the military building 'permanent' bases?
http://www.fcnl.org/iraq/bases.htm

Cheney and the Vulcan's stale old planning was like putting lipstick on a pig, an OLD PIG at that.
Go rent the movie 3 Days of The Condor, and ask yourself 'Did the NYTimes print or not' ?

Then see when the NYTimes printed the story...thirty years late (January 1, 2004) !

BTW, Jimmy Carter was a big help to BCCI's originator, a guy named Abedi from Pakistan if memory serves me correctly.


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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-06-06 05:33 PM
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57. this is why I have given up all hope for this country
when you lose your vote you have no hope. :(
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