Great email I received from a con-------1st Commandment???

[Katherine Brengle]

Yesterday I published an article about the SD abortion ban and the boycott, and I got this email this morning:

Note: this email is in response to an article called
Boycott South Dakota for Stripping Women of Their Fundamental Human Rights
published at
opednews.com/articles/opedne_katherin_060227_changing_the_scene_3a_.htm

Abortion is murder, pure and simple, the living soul within the mothers womb simply has a body that is not yet fully developed. To destroy the body of that soul is murder. if you are raped then that is not an accident, that is a karmic reaction for offenses you have commited against another living entity in a previous life.
Best thing is to accept your fate and once the child is born adopt it out to any number of families that are desperate to have children. Then get on with your life.

If you murder the unborn child, once again you have implicated yourself in the vicious cycle of Karma and will have to pay the price according to natures laws and suffer more for your actions in the future.

Whatever your belief is, life is a divine gift, God is in control of the creation and we are all his children. God does not sanction murder as the first commandment in the Christian bible confirms." Thou Shall not kill."

Abortion is killing another human being in a defenceles and cowardly way and is a despicable crime. Rape is despicable and so is murdering your brother or sister in a handicapped and defenceless position inside the womb.

Modern medical terminology, politically correct speak, couches the murdering process in sanitised language to bewilder the less intelligent. Such as Terminating tissue for example. You never see pictures of aborted babies in the mainstream media. Why? because most people would be very distressed to see the little torn apart bodies of unborn children. Therefore the crime is kept hidden from the public.

Don't lose your humanity altogether, stop the unspeakable and horrific murder of unborn babies and your nation may once again become a beacon of prosperity. If you keep going down this path of murder, then only more suffering and distress will be brought upon you all.

regards

Sundarananda das

So this is my question--why are all conservatives convinced that "Thou shalt not kill" is the 1st Commandment?

The 1st Commandment is "I am the LORD Thy God, and thou shalt have no other gods before me..."

I don't even go to church, but these things are very easy to learn--what game are they playing with this? Every pro-life fundie who contacts me says "The first commandment says thou shalt not kill."

Is there a special fanatical fundie version of the Bible going around that changed the order of the commandments?

[FloridaPat]

1. If the fetus really is a person, why are there no funerals for

fetuses? Women's bodies sometimes abort the pregnancy for whatever reason. As far as I know, even in Catholic hospitals, the fetus is not kept and there is no funeral.

[Swamp Rat]

2. Souls enter the baby's body AFTER 7 months.

Magic #7.

[Patchuli]

3. Because they are phonies just like *

and everything they do goes against what the Messiah told us. I especially cannot believe that bit about the "karma" being a payback for a woman's sins. Whatta whackjob!

And besides, much like *, doubtful they actually practice their faith. These holier-than-thous are just as big or worse sinners than those they judge, which is also against Christ's teachings.

Phoney baloney.

[in_cog_ni_to]

4. Because they're ignorant, uninformed and

not educated? Whoever wrote that is ONE SICK PUPPY. I like to throw the question..."Why is it murder BEFORE birth, but not murder when YOU and your repuke policies MURDER the born child by starvation, homelessness, no health care and poverty?"

[Der Blaue Engel]

5. And since when is karma a xian concept?

And may I say, what a sickening, disgusting thing to say, that it was someone's karma to be raped. What that person was really was saying is that God wants women to be raped as some kind of punishment.

Vile. Absolutely vile.

[ClassWarrior]

6. Plus, where does their "first commandment" make an exception for war?

These people are freaks.

16+5=2006

NGU.

[unblock]

7. "rape ... is a karmic reaction for offense ... in a previous life"

interesting! but of course, abortion is NOT a karmic reaction for offense that the FETUS committed against others in a previous life!

if they want to bring karma and previous lives into the equation, then they have to abandon the fetus-is-innocent crap!

:rofl:

[Katherine Brengle]

10. brilliant logic--well done. n/t

[Katherine Brengle]

8. Ugh--a 2nd message...

(and no reference to my correction about the 1st commandment, lol...)

You have "In God we trust" written on your currency. The founding fathers were religious people. If one does not believe in God they have no reference point to determine what is right and what is wrong.


If you believe in the sanctity of human dignity, why then deny that right to the unborn child? The only difference between an unborn and a born is that the unborn does not have a fully developed body as yet. You would not murder a developed baby that has just been born, so how can you murder the defenceless little unborn. This is an atrocity of monstrous proportions.


Unless the soul is present within a body the body will not be alive. Try injecting chemicals into a dead body to create life. Consciousness is the symptom of life. If you look at the unborn through technology, you will see all the symptoms of life. Just the body has not finished developing. Therefore to murder the unborn is genocide and a massive crime against humanity.


You say how bad it is that women are raped but on the other hand you advocate women murdering their unborn children . Are you crazy? Just think about the philosophical position that you have taken!!!!


Its people like yourself that are ruining the world we live in. Get upset about a war in Iraq (which I don't approve of) but support slaughtering unborn human beings inside the womb. At least soldiers on a battlefield have a chance to defend themselves, but abortion is such a cowardly and heinous act of murder.


regards


Sundarananda das

I love the logic--how can one determine right and wrong without religion--how about using one's brain--it's really not that hard...

[Viva_La_Revolution]

13. In God we Trust - 1864

Where did "In God We Trust" originate? Many mistakenly believe that it has been the national motto since revolutionary days; but the phraseology is strictly religious in origin.

The national motto adopted by the Founders was inscribed next to the Great Seal of the United States, a decoration devised under the supervision of Franklin, Adams and Jefferson. It was Jefferson who suggested "E Pluribus Unum," and that slogan was adopted in 1782, five years before the Constitutional convention of 1787.

It wasn't until nearly a century later, though, that "In God We Trust" was seriously proposed as a motto. Writing in her book "Freedom Under Siege," (J.P.Tarcher, Los Angeles, 1974), Madalyn O'Hair delineated the historical background for readers:

"In 1861, the Reverend M.R. Watkinson persuaded the secretary of the Treasury to try to introduce 'In God We Trust' as a motto on the coins of the land, arguing on the theological premise that in a Judeo-Christian nation, 'There is but one God.' Congress, then beginning to be responsive to the religious community and the votes that it was presumed to control, passed the Coinage Act of April 22, 1864, which designated that 'In God We Trust' be put on coins 'when and where sufficient space in the balance of the design' would permit it."

http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/igwt1.htm

You'll have to link to a different site for him to believe it tho! LOL

[unblock]

14. if you believe in god, your concept of right and wrong is vulnerable

to manipulation by people claiming to bring the word of god.

[bperci108]

18. Something you should notice....

...but it's probably lost on the fundie-mentalists who spout this sort of emotional crap, is that the focus here is on someone else's perceived sin.

I drive by a huge billboard put up by some religious group that shouts "Abortion is a SIN, it MUST stop!" over a pic of a fetus laid on an American flag. (Karl is designing billboards now?)

Okay....

So don't have one. Simple.

But that isn't good enough for these folks.....they aren't content with riding herd on their OWN "sin".

No, now they have to concern themselves with everyone else's "sin".

Which brings me to my point:

This isn't Christianity - this is Calvinism.

Christ told people to concern themselves with the log in their own eye before the speck in their brother's.

Conversely, Calvinism teaches that salvation is assured the elect and since they cannot have their salvation taken away, they then turn their guns on those "others" whom they perceive as the "lost" and the "sinners" unlike themselves.

(Read the parable of the Publican and the Pharisee for the error of this type of spiritual arrogance.)

Personally, I do think abortion is wrong. But this is an imperfect world and sometimes wrong things are the only course possible. War is wrong too IMHO, but sometimes there is no other recourse. You do what you have to do.

As a guy, I'll never have to personally face a possible aborted pregnancy, so it's easy for me to pontificate.

It's a decision that should be left to the woman, her doc and her own religious beliefs (or lack thereof). Everyone else should mind their own business.

Oh, and tend to "thine own beam", as it were.... ;)

[Viva_La_Revolution]

9. Remind him it is actually the 6th and then ask

if God thinks bombing babies, women and children in other countries is okay as long as they're brown.

Then call him an asshat, cause he is.

[Katherine Brengle]

11. I already did that, lol (the 6th, that is)... see my reply #8. n/t

[Orangepeel]

12. I don't think that guy is a Christian

he is just trying to use a Christian concept to bolster his "argument". He should be criticized for not knowing what he is talking about*, but I don't think it's his religion that he doesn't know.

I could be wrong, of course, but he's got an Indian name and he's talking about Karma.

*on edit: as well a host of other things, especially saying rape victims deserve it

[FlaGranny]

15. Karma?

This e-mail was written by someone (Hindu?) who believes in reincarnation. Maybe that's why he/she doesn't know the what the first commandment is. No excuse though for other fundies.

[RB TexLa]

16. OK, I give you Paul's words

1 Corinthians
44 It is sown a natural body, it shall rise a spiritual body. If there be a natural body, there is also a spiritual body, as it is written:

45 The first man Adam was made into a living soul; the last Adam into a quickening spirit.

46 Yet that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; afterwards that which is spiritual.

47 The first man was of the earth, earthly: the second man, from heaven, heavenly.



This was the church's historical view on abortion, a person is created by first by nature, the parents, the spiritual person, the soul is then created by God and enters. This was believed to occur at quickening. The sin of abortion before quickening was not the same as after quickening, under Gregory XIV excommunication was only for those who aborted after quickening had occured.

[FreedomAngel82]

17. I also would have asked

if they supported war and the killing of Arabic babies. You can go to http://www.biblegateway.com and read the commandments in Exodus thirty-four.

[Katherine Brengle]

19. In the 2nd email, this person actually stated opposition to the war,

which I guess is a plus to some extent...