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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 04:20 PM
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Who are our soldiers standing (and fighting) with? Whose side are we on?
Edited on Sat Feb-25-06 05:19 PM by bigtree
The AP has reported that the number of Iraqi army units that are able to stand alone, without our soldier's help, has dropped from one to zero.

But, the report states, the number of Iraqi battalions capable of leading the battle, with U.S. troops in a support role, has grown by nearly 50%, from 36 to 53, and the number engaged in combat has increased 11%, from 88 to 98.

Our soldiers now stand with the Shiite-dominated authority that they helped to achieve power with the force of our nation's military. We know that our troops are still being sent out on search and destroy missions and all sorts of 'anti-insurgent' raids. Most of these missions and raids are almost certainly directed at Iraqis opposed to the regime our troops are propping up.

At this point our soldiers are just muckraking along with the Shiite-dominated militias we have funded, equipped, and supported. This same band of armed government loyalists, Shiite, Kurdish and Sunni combatants, is the force that many, in and out of government, both republicans and Democrats, say they rely on to take over 'security' of Iraq so our soldiers can withdrawal.

The reality is, the Iraqi militias are using our assistance as a wedge against their political opponents. That's not democracy forming, it's a junta, a recipe for perpetual resistance to the existing authority, and we're on tyranny's side.

Bush called the leaders of the major parties in Iraq to buck them up as he darted around the world to keep out of harm's way: Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari, a Shiite; the head of Iraq's largest Shiite political party, Abdul-Aziz al-Hakim; President Jalal Talabani, a Kurd; and parliament speaker Hajim al-Hassani, a Sunni.

Bush ``encouraged them to continue to work together to thwart the efforts of the perpetrators of the violence to sow discord among Iraq's communities.''

However, the AP had another report that signaled the Iraqi leaders' impatience with Washington's 'protection' racket . . . the country's top Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani was hinting, as was Vice President Adil Abdul-Mahdi, that their religious armies could get the security job done if the government couldn't defend the holy shrines.

There are reports of police finding dozens of bodies, cuffed and shot execution-style since Wednesday. The bodies of 14 Iraqi police were found burned inside their vehicles near a Sunni mosque. The deaths included three journalists working for Al-Arabiya television.

There will never come a point where the U.S. military will be able to bring any reasonable political balance there and they shouldn't be expected to. They are designed to fight wars and defend our homeland against invasion or disaster, not iron out the intricacies of Iraqi politics and sectarian rivalry. Those are for Iraqi's to resolve themselves. The sectarian divisions can only be deepened and exaggerated by the heavy hand of our military occupation.

They want us to believe that the forces they are training (the ones that the politicians want to 'take control' of Iraq if we ever withdraw), will be some sort of beacon of democracy, but the reality is that there will always be a sect in Iraq who will be locked out of power and they will always be at the mercy of the ruling party's forces.

Our soldiers are now mercenaries of a supposedly independent government - Bush crowed the other day that Iraq's now a sovereign nation. "In less than three years," Bush claimed, the nation of Iraq has gone from living under the boot of a brutal tyrant to liberation, to sovereignty . . ."

"Our strategy in Iraq is, as the Iraqis stand up, we'll stand down." he said. Troop levels on the ground will be decided by commanders on the ground -- not by politicians in Washington, D.C." (Applause.)

Yet, these soldiers, and the Iraqis under their guns, are clearly at the point of Washington's politics. They were likely optimistic and hopeful that the elections signaled a turning point in the occupation. They probably expected, and may have seen for a time, that optimism and hope in the faces and attitudes of the folks around them.

Unfortunately, there will be more political and military meddling, fueling more violence directed at the symbols of the sponsors of the ruling authority, our soldiers. Until Bush can find his way into his next brawl with Iran or Syria, Iraq will remain the deliberate, jingoistic symbol of Bush's paranoid fear.

Bush's cohort, Blair, admitted that the assault on Baghdad was essentially a muscle-flexing exercise. They thought Iraq would be a cakewalk (the hunt for bin Laden was a bust) so they loaded up our national pride and covered all of us with Iraqi blood to go with the blood of innocent Afghans caught in our swaggering reprisal. Tens of thousands of innocents, in Iraq and Afghanistan have been killed by our cluster bombs, our search and destroy missions, and by the misguided hands of our nervous soldiers so that Blair and Bush could "draw a line in the sand" like bullies in front of a crowd.

So the numbers of bystanders slaughtered by our aggression quickly outpaced the numbers killed in the 9-11 attack, but that wasn't enough to satiate the fear of Blair and Bush. And they seem shocked (as bullies often are) at the lack of fear from those they sought to dominate with their violence. And their enemies multiplied. More shock. And their critics multiplied. More shock.

Yet, Bush pushed on, mesmerized by his own hypocritical rhetoric about freedom and democracy. It's more than clear to all in the Middle East that his rhetoric masks the bloody reality that the U.S., under Bush's leadership, has become the type of oppressor that all the suffering people around the world fear. According to our own military and intelligence operatives, our presence in Iraq is having the effect of creating more enemies and resistance to the U.S. than can be countered by any new recruits or any new Iraqi government intuitive sponsored or propped up by our heavy-handed military forces and their war of aggression against all who would resist our occupying army.

A military force, our military force is designed primarily to fight and win wars. Not that they don't do peacekeeping well. American compassion and generosity is reflected in many of the actions of our soldiers, most noticeably in their dedication to humanitarian pursuits like medical care, rebuilding schools, providing food and housing, and other instigations of the representatives of a prosperous nation.

But, there is great resentment among many in the Iraqi population that won't be assuaged by chocolates, bandages, or raising roofs. Bush has pulled the plug on those projects anyway. Our soldiers shouldn't be put at the point of such a murky policy of intentions in Iraq. Our military is the inevitable arm of an authority engaged in active armed conflict with Iraqis in opposition to their propped up regime. Americans don't know who our soldiers are being asked to kill and who they are dying for. That shouldn't be a secret anymore. Bush shouldn't be allowed to escape accountability by labeling everyone who gets slaughtered with our soldier's help and support, evil insurgents.

We know that Bush wants to use the troops for anything that keeps them in place for future meddling. They're his protection racket for the oil that we're 'holding for the Iraqis. They're his personal prop for victory speeches. They're his hired muscle in hell's kitchen, waiting for a new contract.

But, they are also our sons and daughters, our mothers and fathers, waiting for some rationality to their mission . . . and a ticket home. Our leaders should spell out just what they expect our soldiers to do in Iraq that is in tune with our own values and democratic principles. To ask them to defend anything less is a tyranny of our nation's leadership in Washington and in Foggy Bottom.
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 04:25 PM
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1. cannot add a thing..u have said it all..and said it well
recommended.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 05:17 PM
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5. thanks for reading
Edited on Sat Feb-25-06 05:17 PM by bigtree
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Blutodog Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 04:27 PM
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2. OIL
In the end Bu$hCo only gives a shit about the oil. Whomever wins the Civil War will still have to sell the oil and that's all Cheney and his gang care about all the rest is just so much blather and lies to keep the sheeple looking in the wrong direction. My guess is the Kurds will leave Iraq first and then the Shittes and Sunnis will start at each other full-time. Eventually Iran will stepin on the Shittes side. Iraq or what's left of it will become just another part of Iran. So ends the Iraq/Iran war after 25 yrs. Then Bu$hCo will nuke Iran just because. Except for the southern Oil fields and pipelines. It's all about the black stuff the people are just a nuisance as far as Bu$hCo is concerned. My guess is Bu$h et al would kill all of them if they felt they could get away with it.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 12:52 AM
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10. Kurds want their own state. Their land has the most oil
Edited on Sun Feb-26-06 12:57 AM by bigtree
That should piss Turkey off if it happens. I saw where Turkey has petitioned the new 'authority' for permission to drill within Iraq. All so complicated. They should be left to sort it out without our interference though. We need to let go of the resources, but they are Bush's lever against the new regime . . . that and fathering of their military and police forces.

The chaos serves Bush. He's still pimping his 'war on terror' for whoever still wants to campaign with him. He used the Shrine bombing to hawk a republican candidate in Mishawaka, Indiana . . .

Bush uses fundraiser to stress war on terror-

"The president said news out of Iraq that the gleaming dome of the 1,200-year-old Askariya shrine had been reduced to rubble served as a reminder that there is much work to do on the other side of the globe."

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060224/NEWS02/602240425/1006/NEWS01
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Blutodog Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 11:34 AM
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13. The WAR on Whatever...
Bu$hCo is just that a WAR machine if nothing else. These are a bunch of Imperialist War Mongers PERIOD. Killing is their way of solving everything. They are the World's BIGGEST TERRORISTS. The rest of the Planet right now is scared shitless of US not OBL. Bu$h has transformed himself into the world's most feared and hated man. It's been a long way down to here from 9/11. Could OBL have ever dreamed of such a world-wide victory? Think of it OBL has virually destroyed us with a few box cutters. As a long time Marital Artist my hat goes off to him he has proven the old Marital Arts saying that 1 oz placed in the right place can easily move 1 thousand pounds. In this case it was more like an entire society.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 04:38 PM
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3. "we' are on the side of 'unity" (all sects).
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 10:57 PM
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9. our government is bent on chaos
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 04:39 PM
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4. good post- recommended
Edited on Sat Feb-25-06 04:42 PM by Ksec
It seems like the troops are trying to be non bias , but most of the Iraqi soldiers are shiite. Ive read there are roving bands of death squads killing sunnis indiscriminately. And vice versa. This is what we said would be the problem with going into Iraq and turning it upside down. The hatred between the two factions isn't going to all of a sudden end. IMO the best solution would be to divide Iraq into 3 countries or states. Let each group have their own state. Then maybe have a federal gov over all .
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 10:06 AM
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12. Troops focus their 'anti-innsurgent' campaign on rural Iraq
Feb. 26, 2006 at 8:31AM

U.S. military commanders say the so-called Triangle of Death southwest of Baghdad is now the focal point in their campaign against Iraq's insurgency.

The Post said the towns are on the fault line between Sunni Iraq and Shiite Iraq and likely would be a flash point for a civil war.

In taking the battle to rural-based insurgents, the Army hopes to gain the initiative, rather than simply trying to catch suicide bombers as they drive into Baghdad.

http://www.washtimes.com/upi/20060226-082325-3847r.htm

more muckraking by our soldiers on one side of the conflict, taking sides with the Shiite-dominated authority
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 05:31 PM
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6. Did I miss something here...
In all this rhetoric you didn't mention anything about 'withdrawing' now...

Most of this is bunk anyway...

"The AP has reported that the number of Iraqi army units that are able to stand alone, without our soldier's help, has dropped from one to zero. "<--this is a manufactured US excuse not to get the hell out, not an Iraqi one.

"They are designed to fight wars and defend our homeland against invasion or disaster" <--since when...other than 'Pearl Harbour' I can't think of a single use of US troops that wasn't imperialist inspired and primarily motiviated by corporate greed. You are aware that the US military has put boots on the ground in over 70 occasions in the last century alone, right? You are aware that the US military is deployed in nearly a hundred countries--right?

"Most of these missions and raids are almost certainly directed at Iraqis opposed to the government our troops are propping up." <--BS...virtually every Iraqi is opposed to the continued illegal occupation of the US and so it is those people the US kills. Your seem to have a rather twisted GOP view in all this.

They don't like Castro, they they tried to kill him. They didn't like Allende,so the killed him. They didn't like Dr. Mossadegh, so they killed him. They didn't like Lumumba, so they killed him. They didn't like Chevaz, so they tried to kill him.

"American compassion and generosity are reflected in many of the actions of our soldiers, most noticeably in their dedication to humanitarian pursuits like medical care, rebuilding schools, providing food and housing, and other instigations of the representatives of a prosperous nation." <--oh really...maybe you forgot Fallujah and way that started...the US military occupied a school, the Iraqis want ed to use the building as a school, they protested and the US military shot them in cold blood...There is NO such thing as US generosity and in fact the US at the slightest political deviation will cut off aid to a country and starve it's citizens into submission.

"They want us to believe that the forces they are training (the ones that the politicians want to 'take control' of Iraq if we ever withdraw), will be some sort of beacon of democracy, but the reality is that there will always be a sect in Iraq who will be locked out of power and they will always be at the mercy of the ruling party's forces." <--funny the country didn't have this problem before the US invaded, it was relatively stable inspite of a decade of sanctions and IF the intention of the US is to 'spread' democracy, then why all the strange alliances with so many dicatorships like Pakistan or Egypt.
You are quite mistaken, the US aim is virtually every case is to place a puppet regime in power that has little or NO legitimacy that will channel large piles of IMF aid to infrastructure projects favoured by trans-national corporations.

Besides, the US didn't start the war to 'spread' democracy...that's a Bushism. It was to find WMDs, remember. Didn't exist--not now or ever.


"that the U.S., under Bush's leadership, has become the type of oppressor that all the suffering people around the world fear." <--LOL No they have been poorly regarded by the world's oppressed for decades and it really makes little difference to the Oppressed of the world which tweedle-dee tweedle-dum party Americans choose.

"Unfortunately, there will be more political and military meddling, fueling more violence directed at the symbols of the sponsors of the ruling authority, our soldiers."<--utterly meaningless and shows a true lack of understanding of the situation

Watch less TV in the future and read more...

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 05:45 PM
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7. good for you MrPrax
you meant to hurt and you did

good for you

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 07:07 PM
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8. .
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 12:54 AM
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11. Indeed!
K & R
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 03:13 PM
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14. link to web-published version
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