So i am sitting on an airplane (Port Security here, big-time)....

[TomInTib]

We were flying from San Francisco to Las Vegas this past summer and I strike up a conversation with this really buttoned-down guy sitting next to me.
He was so 'pub looking I thought I might as well entertain myself.
Turned out to be a pretty nice guy and he asked me what I did for a living so I told him.
I asked him the same.
Turns out he was with a SF/Reno based firm that makes the most kick-butt CT Scanner on the market for cargo containers. These things are so powerful they require their own power grid and can produce a crystal-clear 3-D image of the entire contents of the container. And quick, too.

So I ask him if they can keep up with the demand because of all the attention on Port Security.

He tells me that all of their business is overseas, primarily Middle East and Asia.
Says they cannot give them away in the US.

After I picked my jaw up off the seat-back tray he said that a few weeks earlier they had finally been granted an audience with DHS and figured they were really close to knocking it out of the park.

They went to DC, made their pitch and this is what they were told:

"What you have to understand here is it is not DHS' goal to promote security. The goal is to keep the American people as aware of the Threat as efficiently as possible."

This guy was still pissed off,incredulous.

Life-long Republican, too.

I asked him why he did not go public with it and he said that during all the shouting that followed the DHS' response that he had threatened exactly that.

He was told that he would be arrested if he did.

I wish I still had his card.

[SharonRB]

Dupe. Self-delete.

[Up2Late]

79. Check this out! May 12, 2004, a EPA public notice to view a DRAFT Plan!

Talk about Foot Dragging! :banghead: :mad: If this is any indecation of the "good Progress" Bush says they are making, this is BS!

2 1/2 years after September 11, 2001 and they only had a DRAFT for public viewing!!!!!!!!!!!!!

<http://www.epa.gov/fedrgstr/EPA-IMPACT/2004/May/Day-12/i10731.htm>

Notice of Availability for Public Viewing of Draft Programmatic Environmental Assessment Concerning CBP's Use of the Vehicle and Cargo Inspection System (VACIS) at Various Sea and Land Ports of Entry

From the Federal Register Online via GPO Access


-----------------------------------------------------------------------

DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY
Bureau of Customs and Border Protection

Notice of Availability for Public Viewing of Draft Programmatic
Environmental Assessment Concerning CBP's Use of the Vehicle and Cargo
Inspection System (VACIS) at Various Sea and Land Ports of Entry

AGENCY: Customs and Border Protection, Department of Homeland Security.
ACTION: General notice.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

SUMMARY: This document announces that a draft Programmatic
Environmental Assessment (PEA) regarding potential environmental
impacts resulting from Customs and Border Protection's (CBP) deployment
of the Vehicle and Cargo Inspection System (VACIS) is available for
public review and comment. The VACIS system will be used at various
ports of entry throughout the United States and Puerto Rico and is
designed to provide a significant non-intrusive (gamma ray) inspection
capability to assist CBP in its mission to prevent the entry of
contraband into the United States. CBP will consider comments before
issuing a final PEA and will then issue a draft Supplemental
Environmental Assessment covering each local site affected to assess
the environmental impact on local conditions.

DATES: The draft PEA will be available for public review for a 30-day
period beginning on May 12, 2004. Written comments must be received by
June 28, 2004.

(more at link below)

<http://www.epa.gov/fedrgstr/EPA-IMPACT/2004/May/Day-12/i10731.htm>

[SharonRB]

1. Oh. my. god.

What a smoking gun -- I wish you knew how to reach this guy.

[EuroObserver]

42. This is because they know there isn't (or at least there wasn't)

any serious external terraist threat against CONUS.

[postulater]

48. Sorry, but what is CONUS?

[Not Sure]

49. CONtinental United States n/t

[postulater]

80. thanks

[Maiden England]

2. The most frightening thing about that story

is that it no longer surprises me...

[SammyWinstonJack]

28. The most frightening thing about it , is that I actually believe it too be

not only true but SOP for the traitorous Un American bush malAdministration. They don't give a rat's ass about protecting us, that apparently doesn't make money for them, quite the opposite, they have to spend money.

[EVDebs]

73. Dubai Ports World will play the same role as Ptech did in 9-11, insider

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2479346&mesg_id=2480654

BTW, check out what R's were saying during the 1998 COSCO/LongBeachPort dustup

Duncan Hunter's screed against COSCO/LongBeach port
http://www.house.gov/hunter/jul6-98.htm

but I guess he's supporting Bush on this now with Dubai Ports World...?

[SammyWinstonJack]

99. Thanks for the links, enlightening to say the least.

[EVDebs]

106. Ptech needs to be brought up CONSISTENTLY in this matter...

The MSM's deafening silence on this 9-11 'outsourcing' of national security shows that BushCo cannot be trusted to ensure another attack won't happen since they are enabling outsiders to get 'inside' information !

Thomas Friedman never talks about Ptech either. I wonder if his head will explode if he's forced to speak about it ?

[blue cat]

3. Please tell me that he wasn't

still a repub after that.

[TomInTib]

7. Oh, he had definitely seen the light...

He was so pissed he went from really calm to almost shouting.

[Neil Lisst]

4. Department of The Sky is Falling

is what they should call it

[Nevilledog]

29. Hilarious... I gotta remember that one........n/t

[Mythsaje]

68. LOL

I like that!

[MissMarple]

92. Am I envisioning a cartoon? I think I am.

:)

[PegDAC]

96. Department of Fear

Spread the word! I've already sent the post to the Clark'08 Yahoo Group.

[astroBspacedog]

104. Department of Homeland Propaganda !!

"What you have to understand here is it is not DHS' goal to promote security. The goal is to keep the American people as aware of the Threat as efficiently as possible."

[RevCheesehead]

5. Ho-lee shit!

Someone wake me, please. I don't like it in this world. :(

[Kansas Wyatt]

6. Now the Katrina planning and response makes sense!

It's not about insuring public safety, it's about making the public aware that they are in danger.


That alleged MO matches their Katrina effort and response.

[DoYouEverWonder]

77. Katrina was about containing people

They had no desire to rescue anyone.

[RazzleDazzle]

90. Well, partially right

Containing, and killing (or allowing to die as the case may be) so as to try to force them to riot so they coujld power-grab at the federal level via martial law and an inglorious end to that pesky Posse Comitatus if at all possible.

[iNViSiGOD]

103. Make the public aware indeed!

Explains the mongolian cluster fuck of Katrina not being properly taken care of!

[proud2BlibKansan]

8. You didn't save his card?

[TomInTib]

11. What can I say? I have a hard enough time....

keeping up with myself.

[proud2BlibKansan]

12. Yeah I understand

[Pirate Smile]

9. This actually makes everything make sense.

:think:

[stop the bleeding]

10. .

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
:argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh::argh:
:grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr:
:nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke:

[Pooka Fey]

27. You took the words right out of my mouth.

[Ilsa]

13. Same thing for FEMA: former FEMA employees

were asked by the bush newcomers how they managed to control the PR so well after disasters. They told them, "We didn't control the PR, we worked the cases and took care of the people," but the Bushites wouldn't believe it. Said it all had to be smoke and mirrors to get such good results.

[ClayZ]

25. I know of a FEMA couple, who went

to the Gulf and their cost for the little condo they are staying in, (as they work?) is $150.00 per day... EACH. That is $9,000.00 per month. Fema pays this little tab for all their employees? No wonder the people in the gulf, who need the money...get NONE!


:grr:

[starroute]

14. Any chance it could be these people?

http://www.varian.com/comp/2002/var_02_nowhere.pdf

This is just what came up with a quick google. If you remember anything more than what you wrote here, you might be able to come up with a short list of possibilities and start trying to track them down.

[TomInTib]

20. Not them. This company I am talking about is domestic...

They build the scanners in Nevada, near Reno.

Damn, I wish I had his card.

[REP]

35. SAIC

INCLINE VILLAGE
P.O. BOX 7126
CALL FOR FED-EX ADDRESS
INCLINE VILLAGE, NEVADA 89452

[stevedeshazer]

51. WHOA!!! CHECK THIS OUT....

From the SAIC website:

SAIC'S VACIS® Cargo, Vehicle and Contraband Inspection Systems to Be Installed in the Sultanate of Oman

(SAN DIEGO and MCLEAN, VA) - Science Applications International Corporation’s (SAIC) Security and Transportation Technology Business Unit today announced that its VACIS® cargo, vehicle and contraband inspection systems have been selected by Royal Oman Police Customs for operation at border crossings and Port Sultan Qaboos. Royal Oman Police Customs is acquiring Mobile VACIS and Portal VACIS systems, and the order includes installation, on-site operator training and maintenance.

SAIC’s VACIS inspection systems are gamma ray-based systems designed for the non-intrusive inspection of the contents of trucks, containers and cargo. The Mobile VACIS system is truck-mounted for rapid deployment and can inspect both stationary and moving vehicles and containers. Scanning can be performed in forward or reverse and an entire series of containers can be scanned in a single pass.

"We are pleased to be selected by Oman Customs to facilitate their efforts to improve security and productivity at high-throughput checkpoints," said Alex Preston, SAIC general manager of the Security and Transportation Technology Business Unit. "We have more than 280 VACIS inspection systems, designed to assist customs, port, terminal and checkpoint authorities with manifest verification, tariff collection and the identification of contraband and other suspicious items, deployed and operational globally."

</snip>

This news release was in July 2005.

The original poster said he met this fellow last summer.

Coincidence? :shrug:

[rateyes]

54. Steve....

I posted to the OP and then started reading....Found an article from Hitachi that references a company named "RAPISCAN" who makes what is described in the articles as a "CT Scanner" for Cargo on ships. We've got an issue here....we need to start pushing this in our Reps and Sens faces and start asking the question: Why aren't we using this technology in our ports? Talk about a backlash against the administration!

[stevedeshazer]

70. *ding*

back later...

[radwriter0555]

101. It isn't being pushed because the threat of terrorism DOES NOT EXIST.

I've said this since 911, since I firmly believe 911 was an inside job.

For the same reason bush isn't worried about the UAE running the port business, because HE knows the US has little to nothing to fear from terrorism.

Terrorism is the boogeyman, it doesn't exist.

[TomInTib]

71. I think you are right close, if not dead solid.

I made the original post, but I am worthless on searches.

Remember, the company has facilities around San Francisco and Reno.

Good work, Steve.

[stevedeshazer]

83. Thanks, Tom

I'm planning to research this more thoroughly but my mom is in the hospital today and I muat visit her and her doctor.

The information you provided in your post corroborates precisely with your account of your time with this guy on the plane engaged in conversation. It's all there on the website of SAIC.

I think your story is very important and needs more research. I'll get back to you soon. Something smells really funny here.

Steve

[PegDAC]

97. SAIC

has facilities everywhere. They are an extremely diversified company. I worked whith their Sierra Vista, AZ, facility on an information technology contract that was for a five-year term.

[Up2Late]

78. Science Applications International Corporation are (SAIC) BAD PEOPLE!

Let's hope it wasn't them, check these links out!

<http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=17>

<http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Science_Applications_International_Corporation>

SAIC Companies <http://www.saic.com/about/companies/>

* Includes:

* Bechtel SAIC Company, LLC: A joint venture between SAIC and Bechtel, Bechtel SAIC Company, LLC provides research, engineering and nuclear science capabilities to meet the unique challenge of science and engineering for the Yucca Mountain Project.

[Marie26]

108. Very bad people

SAIC is also mentioned in this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x520607#520983

It partnered w/Choicepoint, a firm that collects databases of personal information & was involved in purging Fla. voter rolls in 2000. SAIC was also an approved contractor for the "Total Information Awareness Project," which was supposed to collect & mine information on Americans for the Pentagon.

From their website:
"SAIC has also developed a strategic alliance with ChoicePoint Incorporated to provide our clients with quick and effortless information retrieval from public records data. ChoicePoint Incorporated maintains thousands of gigabytes of public records data. SAIC's Automated Data Analysis and Mining (ADAM) service provides a gateway to this information and allows clients to seamlessly integrate automated data retrieval into their workflow."

SAIC’s data mining and data warehousing clients include:
* The U.S. Army National Guard and Reserve...Department of Defense—Health Affairs

http://www.saic.com/datamining/

[Arkansas Granny]

15. So, the job of DHS is to scare the pants off us, but not to protect

us from that which they scare us about. In Bush's world where up is down and in is out, I guess this makes perfect sense. Somebody's got to keep us under control and fear works very well for that.

[malaise]

55. Partly true

but remember that staff is replaced with cronies whose only role is to link up with the goons who profit from disasters.

[Catrina]

60. Didn't Tom Ridge practically admit that they released 'terror alerts'

during the presidential campaign when there really was no threat but were beneficial to Bush's image? I seem to remember him saying something like that in response to a question.

Yes, here is a link that quotes Tom Ridge on the pre-election terror alerts:

Former DHS secretary Tom Ridge admits the U.S. raised terror alerts for the wrong reasons and now says he often disagreed with the timing of such alerts but was overruled by the White House.

"More often than not we were the least inclined to raise it," Ridge says. "Sometimes we disagreed with the intelligence assessment. Sometimes we thought even if the intelligence was good, you don't necessarily put the country on alert, There were times when the White House was really aggressive about raising it, and we said, 'For that?' We often lost the argument."

Ridge left DHS in February 2005 and Bush replaced him with Michael Chertoff who agrees with the “cry wolf” strategy of the White House.

“Chertoff is a lackey,” says Kevin Riley, a retired New York City Detective who knew Chertoff during his days as a U.S. Attorney in New York. “He’ll do whatever Bush tells him to do.”

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/blog/2006/02/intel_pros_say_bush_is_lying_a.html

[EVDebs]

74. 'The Fear Spigot', is what Gerald Posner called it on KO's show eom

[davekriss]

72. "the job of DHS is to scare the pants off us..."

"...but not to protect us from that which they scare us about"

Could it be because the "that" in your sentence above is the USG itself? The Bush Regime? And, if so, suggests LIHOP to MIHOP? And, if so, we are victims of the greatest crime in U.S. history? (But left with no one to prosecute?)

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
-- Thomas Jefferson

The DHS serves as an instrument of tyranny over the US public. That is the only conclusion I can draw from the DHS statement as shared in the OP.

[Higans]

95. Freedom is Slavery...

http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/1984/

[Booster]

16. As a country, we have to be the stupidest people on this entire

earth. We can't buy cars that get better gas mileage, we can't buys drugs from Canada because they are cheaper, we can't get medical care if we can't afford it, etc., etc. We are just plain stupid, and the rest of the world must get a hearty laugh at us.

[imouttahere]

63. Amen to that, spenbax.....

and even if this story gets out and a few questions get asked about CT scanners and port security, the sheeple will continue to believe whatever BushCo tells them. They are completely brainwashed.

[Canuckistanian]

17. DHS

Department of Hopeless Sycophants

[Jade Fox]

18. This reminds me of....

a story a former flight attendant friend told me after 9/11. Her acquaintances still in the airline industry were expecting that 9/11 would spark a major movement to train airline employees as to how to respond to a 9/11 type high jacking. What they got was....nothing.

This country is not serious about "homeland security". Bushco intends to stop terrorism by military invasion and control of whatever country they perceive as a threat. Meanwhile, actual attacks only serve to keep the base frightened and compliant.

IMO.

[IndyOp]

19. Wow! Ain't it wonderful to know you aren't insane ?!?!?

I have long *thought* that DHS only existed as a PR firm to advertise the Threat - not to actually do anything about it.

It is wonderful to hear it straight.

Terrifying to hear that the guy was threatened with arrest.

:grr: :grr: :grr:

[leftchick]

21. proof positive the are Nazis

same tactics, same motives, another clueless country.

[TomInTib]

22. And they don't give a damn how many times they get caught...

They know they have the idiots in the sandbox with them and they do not intend to relinquish said box.

[EVDebs]

75. I think Newt Gingrich's 'take no prisoners' attitudes was the bad apple

that helped spoil the whole bunch, IMHO. There were actually nice R's (Lowell Weicker comes to mind) and many middle/road/liberal ones to boot a way's back in the past. No more, now only jack boots who feed off 'talking points' and sneer at anyone who "dares" to debate the issues of the day. They are truly dreadful jerks.

[johnnybaseball]

110. That little picture is adorable! (n/t)

[Dunvegan]

23. Here are a couple of possibilities...

Rapiscan, Inc. A division of OSI Systems. Rapiscan has offices in Sunnyvale and Santa Clara, CA...and would likely fly out of SFO.



And then there's always (and I do mean always) SAIC (Science Applications International Corporation).

They're doing a technology called VACIS (Vehicle and Cargo Inspection System.)

But I'd doubt it's SAIC...they often have the inside track on defense contracts, and it sounds like your acquaintance's technology was shelved by DHS.

[TomInTib]

30. Not shelved, but he did tell me...

that they wanted to move the production overseas and DHS would not let the technology leave the US.

[REP]

34. ?

So I ask him if they can keep up with the demand because of all the attention on Port Security.

He tells me that all of their business is overseas, primarily Middle East and Asia.
Says they cannot give them away in the US.

[salin]

45. production vs finished product

as in - don't want the "know how" as to how to make the machines going overseas. Or this is how I read the two statements together.

[gordontron]

24. ok DU lets get to work

we can probably find this guy. If we can get him to talk it would be huge. If he is thrown in prison we could bail him out, not to mention that would just show how criminal this administration is.

[tavalon]

89. Not to rain on the parade

but lets ask Sibel Edmonds if needing a little bail money was the only consequence she faced?

This man may not be the whistleblower type. We whistleblowers are psychologically very different from the average bear.

[WillyT]

26. More Indication That The War On Terror Is Phoney...

And that the 9\11 conspiracy theorists may just be on to something.

Why spend billions of dollars when you know that it really will never happen again, unless...

it NEEDS to happen again.

:shrug:

[progressoid]

31. OH...MY...GAWD...

:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:

I don't suppose you remember the name of the company??

[TomInTib]

37. I canot find his effing card....

Man, a little prescience goes a long way.

[Citrene]

40. I understand losing a business card or two, but damn! I have to believe

this is one card I would have never lost. This guy would have had to ask me to go away.

Relentless comes to mind. If he was so angry ........... oh well, could have, should have, would have.

Damned it all, maybe he reads DU.

[nicknameless]

32. All about scaring the sheeple and controlling people they can't scare.

They have no interest whatsoever in security.


R'ed

[REP]

33. CT or Gamma Ray Scanner?

SAIC makes a gamma-ray scanner that can do what you describe, but I don't think a CT scanner exists that can.

[TomInTib]

39. Actually, I just used CT...

to make this a little more more understandable (is that a word) and I couldn't remember the term, anyway.

[rateyes]

56. Rapiscan...

http://www.hitachi.com/ICSFiles/afieldfile/2004/06/18/r2004_02_106.pdf

[cantstandbush]

36. So what company does he work for? n/t

[TomInTib]

38. If I could remember, KO or Dobbs would have it.....

it just goes to show what is happening (or not).

[VP505]

43. You might be able

to find the company listed here: http://www.thomasnet.com

[IronLionZion]

50. Send it anyway

just pop off an email with as many details as you can remember. They might track it down. Several posters here have mentioned SAIC. There can't be that many companies that do this stuff.

[leftofthedial]

41. that's it in a nutshell

"nutshell." ha!

it's a shell game

[PegDAC]

98. And those who are running the game are nuts! n/t

[salin]

44. WOW.

Someday the house of cards will come falling down - and much (but not all) of these types of stories will start spilling out. Sady it may not be until years in the future - but somewhere it will be recorded and written up in history books.

[davsand]

46. This makes the port deal sound better, I guess...

"all of their business is overseas, primarily Middle East and Asia..."

Maybe the UAE is one of his customers.


Laura

[Oilwellian]

47. A good investigative reporter would...

look into why there is only one scanner in the six major ports being discussed in the news right now. There's only one damned scanner 4 YEARS AFTER 911. THAT alone should be a huge clue...hello!

[rateyes]

52. Maybe he works for the firm who put out this....

http://www.hitachi.com/ICSFiles/afieldfile/2004/06/18/r2004_02_106.pdf

about 2 or 3 pages into the article it talks about how the CT Scanner is much more reliable than the x-ray that is being used. At the end of the article "Hitachi" thanks a company named "Rapiscan" (Rapid Scan?--pretty quick!) who makes these CT Scanners....I bet your friend works for Rapiscan. Just a hunch.

Maybe we could write to our Reps and Sens and ask why this isn't being used?

[rman]

53. see - it's not even a secret

it's just not widely proclaimed.

[rateyes]

57. HERE IT IS!!

http://www.rapiscansystems.com/pfnatcis.html

Designed for trucks and seaport containers!!

[slaveplanet]

69. Thats the same company that makes the Rapescan 1000

backscatter imaging machine http://www.rapiscansystems.com/datasheets/Rapiscan_Secure1000_Screen.pdf

that they use in the Airports , capable of imaging your child down to the pore level and then permanetly storing the image.

Originally backscatter was developed to keep Miners from swiping diamonds or precious metals from the mines.

[Orangeone]

58. People are worried

about foreign companies providing security? I've heard Dubai ports have state-of-the-art security at their ports, while America's port security is a joke...

[coffeenap]

59. Bechtel connection? If it is SAIC. Link:

http://www.bscupdate.com/whoisbsc.html

[Stephanie]

61. Shouldn't be too hard to locate the guy, Tom

How many companies like that can there be?

[sundancekid]

62. see if any of these links ring a bell - I have been trying to research

the various companies listed all throughout these links too ...
please let us know any warranted updates if the bells go off, K? K.



http://govtsecurity.securitysolutions.com/ar/security_technology_exposing_trouble/index.htm

http://techtran.msfc.nasa.gov/new/BIR.html

http://jazz.nist.gov/atpcf/prjbriefs/prjbrief.cfm?ProjectNumber=00-00-5875

http://www.forbes.com/technology/2005/12/12/airport-baggage-security_cx_dal_1212scanner.html

[tinrobot]

64. It totally explains the Dubai port deal

Just another thing to frighten us.

[lectrobyte]

65. The goal is to keep us "aware of the threat"... in other words, scared.

I wish the * and what he calls "my government" were half as good at anything else as they are the psyops and propaganda.

[reprehensor]

66. That's what Shrub is all about.

FEAR.

[Mythsaje]

67. Holy crap!

Boy, that pulls the curtain away from the wizard a little, doesn't it?

[Kali]

76. Curious if you have posted this before?

I mean is is a great story, but somehow I have a hard time believing even these arrogant bastards would actually admit that they are only about fear-mongering. They could have blown off the sale some other way. Sorry if I am overly sceptical, but if they actually said this outloud to somebody, he needs to be found right away and convinced to go public - and after all he felt free to tell this story to a stranger on a plane? Something doesn't feel right here.

[Marie26]

81. Sort of skeptical too

Especially since he was threatened w/arrest by the DHS? Man, I'd never talk to anyone again. For all he knew, the OP could've been an Air Marshal. And he did apparantly give the OP his card, so he wasn't trying to hide his identity. Why would DHS actually admit this to a stranger that could easily spread the story? There was no need & they could've simply given an innocuous reason instead. The card is missing & there are some inconsistencies in the story (CT scanner or not?, DHS shelved or not?) This is a powerful story, & I'd sure believe that they would be that evil, but I just can't believe they'd actually come out & say it like that. Why hasn't this story been posted before - either when it happened or when the port story first broke? Honestly, if this story is true then Americans should be revolting. But there's enough doubts that I can't be sure. And there's not enough information to send to a mainstream media outlet or really prove it. So it's hard to really know for sure if this is true.

ETA: Also, I don't know much about utilities, but isn't a power grid absolutely huge? How could a scanner require it's own power grid?

[drm604]

105. In all respect to TomInTib,

I have to agree with you that this story doesn't sound quite right. My very first thought was "why would they say that to the guy?"

On the other hand, why would TomInTib make this up? I just don't know what to think. Maybe the guy on the plane was spinning a tale?

Assuming it is true, then it might be possible to narrow down which company it is. Whether or not it's possible to pinpoint that specific salesman might depend on how many salespeople they have for that particular product.

It seems to me, assuming this is true, that if he were to go public with this story then being arrested or simply disappearing would simply bolster his credibility. It's more likely that they would simply deny it.

It should be possible to determine whether or not any of our ports are currently using this type of technology. If they are then that would make this story very suspect. If they aren't, then that fact should be somehow brought to the public's attention quickly and loudly regardless of the veracity of this story.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

82. This does not surprise me in the least. The enemy has always been

from within.

[n2doc]

84. I have a question about where this would be most effective

If one were interested in scanning containers, wouldn't it be better to scan them at their ports of origin (like people are when going on a trip)? If one only scanned them once they reached the US, the logical thing would be to have the bomb go off when scanned. Given your typical port facility is located near a major city, it would be too late once the ship is allowed to dock. Of course, the really safe thing would be for cargo to be scanned just before entering US harbors as well, but I don't know if this is practical. Anyway, any thoughts on this?
BTW, I am NOT suggesting that * or his minions are smart enought to be doing this. Just wondering if this would be the right thing....

[LIBERALNAVYVET]

85. I AGREE

This story proves that the * does not give a damn bout "national Security" He just wants the Kool-aid drinkers to be scared!!!!!!!

[SmokingJacket]

86. Wow. I'm shocked --

It's not often that my deepest paranoia about this administration is so blatantly confirmed. K&R!

[madmark]

87. if true, totally fucked

[savemefromdumbya]

88. I wonder who he met with in DHS?

[FannieandGladys]

91. Not surprised

Just another example of how this administration is more interested in keeping the public in fear (and therefore in line) than they are in making real progress towards securing this nation. The other priority for them, of course, is lining their greedy pockets with millions and billions, while real peoples' needs are ignored. We no longer have a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

[lovuian]

93. I do believe this is their major goal

Be afraid Be always afraid of eveil doers...

[jarnocan]

94. well maybe Cheney

hasn't given up on his STRATCOM plans to NUKE, Iran and he is waiting for the excuse-another attack even if they aren't involved. Remeber the article in Conservative Mag.?

[upi402]

100. So I am sitting at a computer

getting REALLY pissed!:mad: :mad: :mad:

When these guys are gone from power, I hope their natural lives will see justice brought during that time.

[jarnocan]

102. also found it interesting that

our current director of Homeland Security defended folks with links to Osama Bin Laden and funneled money to terrorist. http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=550&Disp=15&Trace=on#C9 a little more than half way down the page- seems well documented

So I guess it's all just a matter of THEIR priorities, and really protecting US is not one of them.

[Trevelyan]

107. jarnocan - your link with proof bushco does not care about security is

important and I think the whistleblower on the plane might have been so pissed he wanted someone to talk to and if he gave his card on an impulse, he might have hoped to be pressured into the scary role of whistleblower against bushco.

(visit Sibyl Edmonds site http://www.JustACitizen.com and sign her petition to have her 911 testimony unredacted and check out the link to her government whistleblower protection group)

This is the most important statement and may be why the man spoke up:

"It should be possible to determine whether or not any of our ports are currently using this type of technology. If they are then that would make this story very suspect. If they aren't, then that fact should be somehow brought to the public's attention quickly and loudly regardless of the veracity of this story."


:yourock: :applause: :kick:

[IceOwl]

109. The right thing to do...

...would be to get arrested. 

I seem to remember somebody saying something about evil
succeeding when good people do nothing. This is one of those
times where the good person did nothing.

[KittyWampus]

111. good thing someone linked to this thread or I'd have missed it.