I fucking hate the DLC!!! DINOS LED by CROOKS!!!

[SammyBlue]

Said in perfect DINO STYLE

WASHINGTON — Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, who rose to national prominence as the 2000 Democratic vice presidential nominee, appears likely to face a serious primary challenge this year that could measure the depth of his party's discontent over the Iraq war.

Ned Lamont, a businessman and war critic, last week began publicly seeking support for a run against Lieberman in the state's August nominating contest. Lamont is attracting interest largely because of Democratic grumbling — in Connecticut and nationally — about Lieberman's unflinching support of President Bush's policies in Iraq.

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Although Lieberman would enjoy significant advantages in fundraising <FROM SEAN HANNITY>, organization <FROM RIGHT WINGERS and name identification in a primary, a recent poll has encouraged his critics. When Connecticut Democrats were asked whether they wanted the senator nominated for a fourth term, 52% said yes and 39% said they would prefer a new candidate — a weak showing for an incumbent.


If Lieberman lost his primary race, "it would be catastrophic for the Democratic Party … because it would send a message nationally that centrists are unwelcome," said Marshall Wittmann, a senior fellow at the centrist Democratic Leadership Council.

Oh fuck you, you DLC mother fucker! You people support Bush's domestic spying! Anyone candidate supported by the DLC needs to fucking lose! Enough weak Democrats!!! And that included Gabrielle Giffords here in Arizona! NO DLC CANDIDATES ANYMORE!!!

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

1. Marshall Wittman:

Late of The Christian Coalition.

Any other questions?

[Mythsaje]

4. Not much of a "center" position

if its voting record is hard to distinquish from the "right."

Just call me one of the disaffected, disenchanted, disenfranchised members of the "radical center."

The REAL center, not the corporate sponsored FAKE center.

[Kierkegaard]

14. Precisely. I was about to post the same reservations about 'centrist.'

Of course, he may be a centrist, but he was so busy licking *'s cod piece that I didn't notice.

[charlie]

27. That fucktard's been all over the map

He was once the head of... get this... the Waco Texas Free Angela Davis Committee.

Congressional liason for the Heritage Foundation and Christian Coalition, deputy asst secretary for HHS under Bush I, senior fellow at the Hudson Institute, McCain campaign advisor...

It was during the Project for Conservative Reform, started with his buddy Bill Kristol, that he began his annoying third-person Bull Moose schtick.

And now he's happily ensconced in the warm embrace of the DLC dinks.

If his pinball momentum continues, he'll be undersecretary for agricultural reform under Hugo Chavez by 2008.

[in_cog_ni_to]

2. I'm with you SammyBlue. Enough is enough. The DLC exists for ONE reason.

They exist to divided the DEMOCRATIC party. IMCPO...THEY are the intruders. THEY are the ones who say "the people" want a "sensible center" when, in truth, the people want a CHOICE between repuke and repuke lite.

[...of J.Temperance]

18. Tell me the last time we over 50 Senators that were non-"DINO'S?"

Hint: The answer is NEVER. According to DU there are only about 18 Senators that are considered pure enough, which of course is completely absurd.

The people DO want a sensible center, in order to win you must be mainstream, you can't win by being on the fringe because it's alienating. You have to appeal to Democrats, moderate Republicans and the swing voters and you do that by being in the sensible center, which is the mainstream.

On Edit: "DINO'S" is in quotes as I don't recognize the term myself.

[Name removed]

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[...of J.Temperance]

31. That's NOT what I said, please don't put words into my mouth

Why am I posting at DU? Because I'm a Democrat and I fully support the Democratic Party.

The majority of my posts at DU have been DEFENDING members of MY party, the Democratic Party against attacks from so-called Democrats who ONLY seem to bash Democrats. If it's not Lieberman, it's Hillary, or it's Landrieu, or it's Feinstein, or it's Schumer, or it's ANY Democrat that's not Barbara Boxer or Cynthia McKinney or Dennis Kucinich.

The ONLY Democrat that I've criticized on DU has been Ben Nelson of Nebraska.

I have stated many times on DU that I was against the Iraq War from the onset, and I'll still against the Iraq War. I do not support Junior's wiretapping, show me one of my posts where I say that I support that? You cannot because there are NO posts where I've ever said I supported that shit.

I'll tell you who's intellectually dishonest and ideologically bankrupt....the people who want to cut off their nose to spite their face. Those people are the one's who are dividing the Democratic Party, the one's who say oh support so and so instead of supporting the Democratic Senator, be in Feinstein or Lieberman.

If you want a Republican Senator from Connecticut, then vote for Ned Lamont, because a vote for Ned Lamont is a win for the Republicans.

[...of J.Temperance]

3. Can you elaborate HOW the DLC are led by crooks?

Senator Lieberman, whilst I disagree with his opinions regarding Iraq, he's pro-Choice, pro-Social Security, pro-Minimum Wage, pro-Unions.

Ned Lamont cannot beat Senator Lieberman.

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[...of J.Temperance]

35. Okay....I'm a girl though n/t

[BootinUp]

13. Good post n/t

[...of J.Temperance]

37. Thanks :) I'm liking your posts as well n/t

[LittleClarkie]

5. That's nice dear

So what are you doing about it.

[SammyBlue]

9. I gave $100 to Ned Lamont and I live in Arizona.

My congressional candidate (for which I am a researcher, writer, audio coordinator and prepper) is running against a DLC stooge!

I am doing alot here in Arizona to fight the DLC. What are you doing?

I would tell you more, but I don't want to get banned!!!

[LittleClarkie]

39. My problem at the mo' isn't the DLC. It's Sensenbrenner.

And just so long as there remains a Democrat butt in the seat when you're done, it's all good. If you have a progressive candidate option that you can push for, more power to you. Didn't mean anything hostile really, just motivational. Good to see you're indeed active.

As for what I've been doing, I've been donating and phonebanking and going out to breakfast with my fellow Dems in a very Red area so that we can network and plan (like I said, I got Sensenbrenner issues.) Btw, www.bryankennedyforcongress.com could use a donation from anyone who'd like to see my assclown of a Representative go bye-bye.

Otherwise, here in Wisconsin, I don't have much choice. Nobody more progressive has presented themselves on the state level. No one is running against Kohl and no one is running against Doyle who isn't a Republican. Given those choices, I'd prefer a Democrat to a Republican. We purple politicans here alot in Wisconsin. Ol' Tommy Thompson was a RINO, and the current Dem Gov. is a DINO. Purple politicians for a purple state. I dunno how Feingold manages, except that we also like mavericks around here, and he talks a good game about fiscal responsibility.

[Totally Committed]

6. The DLC must be stopped...

pure and simple. As you said so wisely: "NO DLC CANDIDATES ANYMORE!!!"

TC

[FreedomAngel82]

12. Oh really?

So does that include the once members as well?

[FreedomAngel82]

8. I disagree about the DLC part

I don't think Clinton supports the spying does she? But Lieberman is all a lone. I really wish Kerry would get them to take his name off their list. He hasn't had anything to do with them since 2003 and he's no longer invited to anything and they hate him too. I really hope the people of Conneticut wake up about him.

[Nutmegger]

15. Oh FreedomAngel82

We're working hard to oust 'ol Holy Joe.

[SammyBlue]

20. What hurts is I'm Jewish and I am taught to support Jews

but I cannot support this fucking DINO in Connecticut anymore!

[patrice]

10. What the Hell is Centrist about *Supporting* this Damned Invasion of Iraq?

War is not Centrist.

[Nutmegger]

11. Well said...

I was thinking about this the other day: The Reupkes don't have a DLC counterpart do they?

Don't favor the RW! Favor us, you know, the so-called "base".

[Mr_Spock]

16. Whew! Hadn't seen a DLC bashing post in 30 seconds!!

I was getting worried there...

[SammyBlue]

17. You can be flippant all you want

These people are destroying my country by being nothing but Republicans in Democratic clothing!

[Individualist]

19. Hear, hear!

DLC wants to turn the Democratic party into a submissive branch of the republican party. :grr:

[...of J.Temperance]

33. Absolute nonsense n/t

[BootinUp]

22. So...

pardon me for asking but how are ya gonna stop the DLC? They actually analyze what voters want. You can't just get on the internet and tell people they are stupid and expect to get their votes.

Or are you going to continue to take down the whole party with this anti war rage. That invasion is history, you can't turn back the clock. Get the F over it already. Focus on the future, focus on how to win states we are losing by actually talking to voters and finding out what we need to do to win. Get off the internet, you're getting a very distorted view of the electorate.

[SammyBlue]

25. Hey, I do that everyday.

I am a volunteer for a congressional candidate. I'm a teacher.

What the hell do you do?

[BootinUp]

26. I work for a living

in Northern Georgia. Georgia, where Kerry got less than 40% of the vote.

[SammyBlue]

28. I live in Arizona, pal. I know too!

[ColonelTom]

32. Yes, the DLC's been SO successful in recent years

Noting your screen name - Jim, I happen to like Wesley Clark too, and yes, he's a "moderate" or "centrist" candidate. But you're WAY off base here. Sitting around "analyzing what voters want" and trying to pander to it gets you lifeless campaigns like Gore/Lieberman '00 and Kerry/Edwards '04. Clark isn't good because he gives the voters "what they want." He's good because he's an honest, upstanding guy who isn't afraid to speak his mind clearly and honestly about what's happened in the past, what's happening now, and what should happen in the future. Voters want honesty, candor, and intelligent leadership, not a homogenized mish-mash of poll results.

[BootinUp]

38. Not sure where you think

they DLC haven't done well. There is only so much that policies can do for a candidate without personality and charisma and eperience/background that conveys they can be trusted as commander in chief.

Now to your main point which is the popular blogger opinion that DLC Dems are weak and mushy and milquetoasty and pandering and thats why they can't win a National election. That is so much hogwash sir.

How can you win States with rural voters who are afraid of the radical active blogger left and their social and economic directions which come right out of the hotbed of SF NY LA etc. We will not win a National election with a mix of a little antiwar a little anti corporate a little rage strategy.

No, we must be grownups, we must offer solutions, (The DLC is always real solutions on paper for candidates to use as they wish tested and shown to be successful like in VIRGINIA). The problem in recent years is a failure of the Presidential nominating process to pick candidates with any chance. We can blame the media the republicans etc etc, but what a waste of time.

Let me reverse the pandering and ask you why should a National Dem candidate pander to your idea of what is correct? National party plank must be appealing to more than 40% of the voters in Red States. It ain't rocket science.

[mdelaguna2000]

23. Lieberman sucks.

Sorry that title wasn't more intellectual.

[patrice]

24. What the Hell is Centrist about NEVER trying something Different, and

repeating OLD Mistakes is not Reasonable, i.e. Centrist.

Sen. Lieberman: Is being a Reactionary Centrist?
Not really, since there isn't any initiative toward integration in a Reactionary, no "pro-action" or proactivity, only reactivity, by definition not Centrist, since a Center implies 2 poles of somesort. There isn't anything like that in Joe Lieberman. I wish he'd get another job, or Retire. He doesn't fit my definition of Centrist.

[Joe for Clark]

29. Total BULLSHIT!!

This party, OUR party is the party of FDR - Jesus, even Reagan got that. Reagan, the republican democrat!!!

I will say out loud something many think - Lieberman probably cost Gore that election, to the extent he really did lose, because of religon. Any protestant or catholic as running mate, and Gore is president now - and how many kids would be alive.

We are FDR's party, even if some idiots miss that fact.

Don't blame the DLC, it is our fault - but we can correct it, too.

Joe

[patrice]

30. What kills this party is Elitist Power Presumption. That's what People

Say to me about their Disappointments in working for the party - The stingee, ungenorous, miserly attitudes toward Real Power Sharing. It pisses regular folks off. I have heard people say things about how bad it feels to be taken for granted.

[goodboy]

34. "centrists" riiiiiight. Just to the left of Mao....*nt*

[Joe for Clark]

36. We are FDR's party,

As long as we remember our grounding, we are going to kick their ass.

Left of MAO. I seem to remember Joe Kennedy flew Jimmy Roosevelts wing to the left.

He died that day. And so did the goddamn republicans. And his brother was a great president.

I didn't pay much attention in 2000 I think a lot of us didn't - but what goes around comes around.

This November, we ALL remember. Bye George - you just killed the republicans for another 50 years.


Joe

[LeftCoast]

40. Locking

Flamefest on aisle five.