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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 04:02 PM
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A case can be made for trusting Dubai more than Washington
The U.A.E. by all accounts is a pretty much straight up Capitalist nation. Whatever large oil reserves they may once have had are now mostly depleted. They don't have the goods so they have to sell the services, making them in a sense, the Lion that roared Dollars. Think Switzerland in the Sand, or Singapore on the Gulf perhaps. Of course the U.A.E. is extremely different from either one of those countries in many ways, but one thing comes through loud and clear; Dubai means business.

They don't pussy foot around it, they don't claim to be on a vast ideological mission to bring freedom to the furthest corners of the planet, they simply want to make a buck,or to be more exact, lots of them. Unlike the United States, Dubai doesn't have a military stationed around the globe to remind anyone of what their best interests may be. The U.A.E. didn't become a leading business center through threats, they did it by creating a climate conducive to big business, and then effectively delivering the services they promise. Their clarity of purpose is almost refreshing. At least it is unambiguous.

Sure the elite in the U.A.E, same as anywhere, have their natives to deal with, the actual public who don't have seats at the very real tables where the major goodies get distributed. They have their crowd to play to also in other words, public opinion to keep sedated with material comforts, or distracted by inflammatory diversions, whatever works best. Don't expect Dubai to speak highly of Israel for example, but that's how modern capitalism works when it's firing on all cylinder. Kind of like America in the 50's to 70's when there still were enough goodies to go around, even after insiders skimmed massive amounts off the top, and we always had an enemy in Communism to point to when domestic matters got sticky.

Cut a deal with Dubai and you know what you'll get. They'll take care of their friends first, the deal makers so to speak (as in Bush's American Oil Oligarchy), and then they will try hard to deliver as promised. You can't be a small nation without Oil to barter, or an Army to threaten, and still get a cut of the major action if you can't actually deliver something of real value in return. I suspect DPW is a sound and competent company. I suspect that they realize having terrorists blow up America doesn't fit well with their business plan, and I bet they have a few good ideas on what they should do to prevent that, given their familiarity with shipping and the region. DPW will do their best with the contract if they get to keep it, and I am sure that they really believe that their best is good enough. DPW's self interest is to pursue business opportunities. The U.A.E's self interest is to become a major international hub that brokers the transfer of money, goods and services.

Dubai is doing nothing but aggressively pursue it's own self interests by attempting to move forward with this Ports deal. I get that, but what about the crew in the White House? What interests are they pursuing? Is it the National Security of our nation during what they repeatedly claim is a time of war? Is it the economy of our nation during a time when our deficits are growing, our income is shrinking, our jobs are leaving, and our manufacturing base is shrinking? What is it about this deal with Dubai that is in our country's interest?

If the Bush Administration was concerned about the security of our Ports, one might think they would have adequately funded the clearly stated and near universally agreed upon efforts needed to upgrade security at America's Ports in the wake of 911. By all independent and many government accounts those upgrades mostly still haven't happened. Did Bush throw some dollars at it? Sure, a few, and if pressed he will brag about it, but the amount appropriated sure looks miserly compared to the costs of the Iraq war, and the "increased security" we got for that money is hardly more impressive than the "increased security" we supposedly got from the Iraq invasion.

So I look at this Port deal, at how the Bush Administration rushed it through without the legal review required, at how Congress wasn't (once again) informed, about who stands to profit most from it, about how achieving real Port security continues to be ignored, and I have to say that whatever their real shortcomings may be: Dubai's government is starting to come out of this looking better than our own.
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BamaLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 04:03 PM
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1. Damn good post
Nominated. . .
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 04:07 PM
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2. "They'll take care of their friends first"
That's why they can't be trusted, neither of them. Bush and his cronies are their friends, not the American public. This stinks to high heaven and the way they tried to sneak it in under the radar without oversight is the clue klaxon that keeps ringing loud and clear.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 04:14 PM
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3. The "government" of the UAE is pictured, below


Seven guys. Seven warlords, thugs, emirs, "monarchs," whatever you want to call them.

Our sons, brothers, mothers, and daughters are dying in Eye-rack to bring democracy to "freedom loving peoples" yet we do business with thugs and warlords who deny basic rights to their citizens, treat their guest workers like slaves, are draconian with their gay population, and reign absolutely with ZERO dissent permitted, like the Supreme Council of the UAE ... and dictators like Pervez Musharref in Pakistan.

I'm sorry--this glass is NOT half empty, IMO. The cognitive dissonance is just too profound. A bunch of insiders in DC cut a fer-shit deal, and we're supposed to go along with it so they don't feel bad??? Awww, let's not hurt their feelings! Screw THAT!

Uh, uh....what we need is some light on the whole fetid cesspool of a process. I don't want to have to pay years down the line for BushCo's fuckup. All you need is ONE disaffected port worker with access to a container belonging to a "trusted shipper" (a company that has been vetted, and escapes regular scruitiny) and Baltimore Harbor could go BOOM. Then we'd all feel pretty lousy....
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 04:25 PM
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4. As a progressive...
tell me why, exactly, you want to shoot down one of the ONLY bulletproof things we have against Bush and the Republicans?! Are you fucking insane?
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 06:48 PM
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9. Good Lord, what are you reading into this?
Edited on Fri Feb-24-06 06:52 PM by Tom Rinaldo
I wrote this piece to point the gun directly at Bush, which is where it always should be pointed. Do you think anything I wrote here is untrue? Fine, correct it then, but even if you can you are still missing the larger point. What I wrote here isn't going to make anyone all warm and fuzzy about the U.A.E, nor should it. I'm not claiming they are good guys here, nor do I say they will keep America safe. I oppose the port deal, but I don't think it ultimately helps our case to stretch the truth any further than it already stretches itself, which is pretty damn damning in my opinion. And for the record, no I do not believe that this U.A.E. company is riddled with bad guys intentionally looking to bring about America's doom. It doesn't have to be in order for this deal to be a mistake.

I've participated on other threads in building the case for how outsourcing management of our ports, and outsourcing them specifically to a company based on the Saudi Arabia, peninsular is a security mistake. I even started one, on Tuesday, you want a link to it? Fine I'll leave it, but notice how that thread was ignored. Maybe it wasn't hot shit but I don't think that is the reason. The reason is that there are already a dozen or two dozen or three dozen threads like it on DU. One more more or less makes no difference.

I think it is a mistake if we focus most of our anger at the U.A.E and not directly at the Bush Administration for their absolute indifference to America's true physical and economic security needs. That is my point and I do not feel ashamed in the least for wanting to make it here. The point you seem so concerned might get lost, how terrorists and money launderers and the like are active in the U.A.E. etc. is getting made every hour both on left wing and right wing boards. I don't think it's going away anywhere soon, do you?

OK here is the link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2474363
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 04:59 PM
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5. Here's why we can't
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x511833

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0615127096/qid=1140817875/sr=11-1/ref=sr_11_1/103-6050418-9840635?n=283155

These guys are up to their eyeballs in 9/11

• Pre-9/11 warning from Saudi Arabia Monetary Agency (SAMA), the Central Bank of Saudi Arabia, to the UAE Central Bank regarding questionable funding.
• Core 9/11 funding from Dubai to 9/11 terrorists in Florida
• Terrorist related bank accounts in United Arab Emirates (UAE)
• Questionable defense contract worth $3 billion involving an Ex-US General
• Questionable bank account for a US State Senator from Florida
• Bank accounts for Victor Bout the largest arms dealer in the world, wanted by INTERPOL
• Arms bazaar of Abu Dhabi
• Money laundering involving the Prince
• Questionable funding from Algeria
• Russian Money laundering Spider Web going to the Middle East
• Money laundering Operations of a top bank in the World
• Black Camel, an inside story into the UAE Financial System
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 06:50 PM
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10. And I didn't say we should
What I said was that a better case can be made for trusting Dubai than Washington, which if at all is damning Dubai with faint praise indeed under the circumstances. It is a satiric comment. Please read my reply above to another comment.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 07:12 PM
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12. We Sure Can't!
Edited on Fri Feb-24-06 07:13 PM by AuntiBush
Thanks for the details. We can not! Why not hire a slew of "unemployed" Ameircans for a change.

And while they're at it, how about corporate America investing in Americans for a nice change rather then outsourcing? Who better to protect our ports and rebuild in "us" rather then the very enemies we were preached about 24/7 by * (terra, terra, terra) then BANG, they can't figure out why the entire country is freaking-out right now!?!

They did it so blatently like every thing else coming down the pike from Medicare, Social Security, and on and on...
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 05:08 PM
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6. Bushcronies + UAE + Ports = Accident Waiting To Happen...nt
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 05:15 PM
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7. The administration will eventually be gone
While the EAE will continue to own the ports. I'm against it.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 05:17 PM
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8. But Bushcronies and contacts will still be in the company...
so it's even worse.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 06:52 PM
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11. I'm happy to be your fifth K&R!
Consider sending that one to your local paper.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 07:22 PM
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13. Thanks, I might. It's small but we have to hit those too n/t
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:05 PM
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14. I still wouldn't want to be a UAE citizen.
As much as I distrust and detest the neocons, as a non-Muslim and a woman I am much better off under the criminal cabal we have posing as the U.S. government. For now. Frightening.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:19 PM
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15. You got that part right, unless you are poor and really sick maybe
I have to think the U.A.E. offers better health care for their citizens then we do. It's hard to imagine it's worse. I find myself thinking sometimes that it would have been nice to be born Dutch or Swedish. Maybe Dutch. Sweden is maybe too nordic for me. I like a lot of things about the free American spirit, but I don't appreciate that you are also free to die in the gutter if you don't have family to care for you or money to pay for yourself.

It is hard for me to fathom how brutally sexist, from my perspective at least, many muslim nations are, with honor killings and other horrors.

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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 09:04 PM
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16. I recommended your thread, but I'm disappointed with your comment here.
Did you know that the UAE has two women as ministers now, one of them recently taking her place in the cabinet? And that women can vote and drive? This isn't Saudi Arabia by a long shot.

Another Woman Finds Place in New UAE Cabinet on Feb.11

DUBAI _ The new Cabinet of the UAE, which was sworn in on Feb.11, is widely seen as representing a new direction for the country in terms of economic, social and cultural progress. Sheikh Mohammed Bin Rashid Al-Maktoum, who succeeded his brother Sheikh Maktoum as vice president, prime minister and ruler of Dubai in early January, has brought eight new faces into the Cabinet. The Cabinet includes two women, a first for the UAE.

The UAE appointed its first female minister in late 2004. That was Sheikha Lubna Al-Qassimi, a well-experienced businesswoman and graduate from the US. The second woman, Mariam Al-Roumi, entered the Cabinet that was reshuffled by Sheikh Mohammed after he became prime minister following the death of Sheikh Maktoum in January.

Sheikha Lubna is in charge of the economy portfolio while Roumi heads the newly created social affairs portfolio. Roumi was undersecretary at the Ministry of Labor and Social Affairs before Sheikh Mohammed split the ministry into two in his Cabinet changes. She is known as a dedicated and efficient civil servant.

Also created are ministries that, analysts say, aim at focusing on specific sectors that were attached to other ministries earlier. These include the Ministry of Education that was separated from the Ministry of Higher Education and Scientific Research in order to give more focus to developing the educational standards and strategy at school levels, analysts said.


http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/special/200602/kt2006021417160911440.htm
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 09:23 PM
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17. Thank you for bringing this to our attention
Edited on Fri Feb-24-06 09:40 PM by Tom Rinaldo
I fell into an unintentional trap with my above comment, and I won't blame the person I was replying to for that, I'll except responsibility myself. There are many muslim nations that at least unofficially allow or tolerate through lax enforcement some practices that I can't understand, like honor killings, but I never meant to imply that I thought the U.A.E. was one of them. There are some muslim practices that are outside of my values, like the wearing af a shawl, that I know many muslim women regard as positive, though of course that isn't universal either. I do not think I am in a position to make judgments on them.

However you are right that I mindlessly threw off a comment; "You got that right" about how I would not want to live in the U.A.E. were I a woman and that was literally thoughtless, I did not give any thought to what I was writing. I should have, and I should have known what I was talking about if I was going to talk about it.

I stand appropriately chastised and I appreciate your commenting on this here. If the option hasn't lapsed I'll go back and edit my earlier comments.

On edit: My earlier comment on this thread above must remain. Too much time has passed for the DU system to let me change it,
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 09:35 PM
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18. I appreciate both your reply and your attitude, Tom.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 10:31 PM
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19. As the person to whom he was responding...
I appreciate you providing the information. I do not equate UAE with Saudi Arabia and understand the difference. However, I am also personally familiar with a few women in the UAE and I stand by my original statement. As a non-Muslim woman I would not fare well in the UAE as a citizen.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 11:56 PM
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20. The Bush Administration gives lip service to protecting our ports
and Billions to their circle of cohorts. They aren't really concerned with securing our port facilities, just like they aren't really concerned about protecting our Chemical or Nuclear Plants. They didn't really care before this Dubai deal came up, and they won't really care after it does or does not finally go through. It's just business as usual to Bush. Budgeting money to defend our infrastructure, and ultimately to protect our cities and the millions who dwell in them ranks just above funding Amtrak and well below opening up the Arctic Reserve to Oil drilling, though neither holds a candle to pushing for permanent tax cuts for the wealthy.

That is the real scandal, not the cutting in of some Arabs in the action regardless of how criminally indifferent to America's security that deal may be. There can only be a lapse in security if security is typically present in the first place, and it's just not there. Our ports are not defended now, they weren't yesterday and as things currently stand they won't be tomorrow either. We can fight this deal, we should fight this deal, but win or lose 90% of the danger to our Ports is unaffected and ongoing. And that same corrosive disregard for America's well being permeates this administration. The Republicans in power are more than willing to sell America to the highest bidder, pocket the cash, and let the new owner worry about what will or will not be left behind.

This is a wake up call people. The fact that it is Dubai this time is what got people's attention. Let's deal with the Tree, but not overlook the forest. We can let this one smolder into anti arab resentment and hurt Bush with that, or we can expose the entire rotten underpinnings for this entire administration and destroy Bush and his corrupted version of the Republican Party instead, and hopefully help save our country in the process.
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NoMercy Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 01:35 AM
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21. Exceptional Insight
Been checking here for a while and this is rare, if I dare say so.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 09:49 AM
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22. Thank you, and "Welcome to DU" - I hope you will be posting more often n/t
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 08:00 PM
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25. Thank you also -- kick n/t
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 12:18 PM
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23. This is a Press Release, I think I am allowed to post the whole thing
If not, mods, I'll cut it.

Conyers Press Release (pdf) 2/23/06
http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/news/releases.html


Conyers, Twelve Other Judiciary Committee Members Challenge Administration’s Interpretation of Foreign Investment Law.

If the President Truly Believed Dubai Deal “Wouldn’t Go Forward if We Were Concerned about the Security of the United States of America,” They Would Follow the Letter of the Review Law

WASHINGTON, DC – Congressman John Conyers Jr., Ranking Member of the House Judiciary Committee, joined by Reps. Berman, Boucher, Nadler, Jackson Lee, Waters, Meehan, Delahunt, Wexler, Weiner, Linda Sanchez, Van Hollen, and Wasserman-Schultz sent the following letter to Treasury Secretary John Snow, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales questioning the Bush Administration’s adherence to statutory guidelines regarding foreign investment of industries of national security interest to the United States:

Dear Secretaries Snow, Rumsfeld, Chertoff, and Attorney General Gonzales:

We are writing to inquire regarding the Administration’s procedures for allowing Dubai Ports World (DPW), a company based and controlled by the government of the United Arab Emirates, to take control of operations at major American ports.

At a briefing yesterday to staff of the House Armed Services, Intelligence, Homeland Security and Judiciary Committees, representatives from the Administration detailed the process they undergo for reviewing proposed transactions involving foreign investors. In that briefing, representatives from the Departments of Treasury, Homeland Security, Defense, State and others explained that after a 30-day review by the Committee on Foreign Investments in the United States (CFIUS), an inter-agency committee chaired by the Secretary of the Treasury, the members of that Committee exercise their judgment as to whether a subsequent 45-day review and preparation of a report is needed. As with almost all other cases involving foreign investment, in the case of the DPW transaction, the Bush Administration elected to forego such a review.

We have serious concerns about the described process because, as explained by the Administration, the review occurs only if the CFIUS decides in its discretion to do so. This does not appear to be a proper interpretation of the law. Under 50 U.S.C. App. § 2170(b), the CFIUS must conduct the 45-day investigation “in any instance in which an entity controlled by or acting on behalf of a foreign government seeks to engage in any merger, acquisition, or takeover which could result in control of a person engaged in interstate commerce in the United States that could affect the national security of the United States.” This amendment, known as the “Byrd Amendment” and enacted in 1993, was intended to mandate that a review occurs if the transaction in any way “could” affect our national security. Prior to the Byrd Amendment, the determination to engage in this 45-day review period was discretionary to the Administration.

If any set of facts would implicate the mandatory language of the amended statute, it would appear to be covered by the case of Dubai Ports World – the company is “controlled” by a foreign government, and the operation of United States ports clearly “could affect the national security of the United States.” As a matter of fact, the proposed acquirer of these interests, DPW, is 100% owned by the United Arab Emirates of Dubai. Thus, operation of our ports – already a troubling gap in our homeland security – is being turned over not simply to a foreign company, but to a foreign government. Indeed at yesterday’s briefing, your representatives indicated that, at least as an initial matter, the Department of Homeland Security expressed such security concerns. If the Administration truly believed that “this deal wouldn't go forward if we were concerned about the security for the United States of America,” as the President stated today, you would work to ensure that transactions of this nature would be subject to the full 45 day review as the law appears to require.

Other aspects of the Administration’s review process are also troubling.

We understand that little, if any, documentation reflecting the facts surrounding this acquisition and the reasons for its approval was created, including, apparently, any communication to the President informing him of the controversial decision. We are also advised that deliberations of this matter involving the members of CFIUS were scant, confined to a single meeting.

Because of the above concerns, we request answers to the following:

1. What is your legal authority for failing to conduct mandatory reviews even where security concerns could be implicated? Has this legal interpretation been reviewed and confirmed by anyone in the present Administration – either before or after the September 11, 2001 attacks?

2. Were memoranda or other materials prepared outlining this legal interpretation by anyone in the present Administration? If so, by whom? Please provide copies of such memoranda or other materials. Were any dissenting memoranda or other materials prepared? If so, by whom? Please provide copies of such memoranda or other materials.

3. Did the President review the decision to approve the DPW transaction? Did he delegate his mandatory authority to make these decisions to other individuals within the Administration? If so, when and to whom? Please provide a copy of any delegation materials.

4. How many foreign direct investment transactions have been approved by the Administration? How many of these have been subject to the mandatory 45-day review period required by the Byrd Amendment?

Thank you in advance for your prompt response to this inquiry. Because this transaction is scheduled to be consummated on March 2, we hope you understand this is a matter of urgent and substantial concern.

Please provide your responses to 2142 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, D.C. 20515, fax 202-225-4423. Sincerely, ##JUD-109-02/23/06##



There are two things I think we need to concentrate on: Security, first, and transparency, second. Long-term is rebuilding our own industries.

I agree with you, Tom, Dubai is a commercial power doing what commercial powers do. It's not up to Dubai to worry about us. It's up to us to know what to be worrying about and that is Bushco and what's become of our country.

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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 12:44 PM
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24. Conyers Nailed It
Edited on Sat Feb-25-06 12:52 PM by Tom Rinaldo
The callous way in which this administration pushes through stuff like this Dubai deal speaks to their utter contempt for the rule of law and their obsession with secrecy, but it also speaks to their absolute loss of perspective about what may or may not be controversial to an American. They are so in bed with international financial interests that they see the world through those, not American, eyes. This deal was so routine to the Bush Administration, such an obvious no brainer for them, that it did not even rise to the level of possible political problem in their eyes. That speaks libraries about this Administration and their priorities. They are about as "American" as the multi national Oil corporations whose interests first and foremost they represent.

Yes. Number One; Security (the priority of every nation). Number Two; Transparency (let America be America), Number Three; restore our economic vitality and essential infrastructures (protect America for our Children and Grandchildren).


edited to correct typo
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