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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 03:59 PM
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Let's Stop A US/Israeli War On Iran
It's More Important Than Halting Nuclear Proliferation

Let's Stop a US/Israeli War on Iran

By BILL and KATHLEEN CHRISTISON
Former CIA analysts

The peace movements of the entire world should be in crisis mode right now, working non-stop to prevent the U.S. and Israel from starting a war against Iran. (See the James Petras article in CounterPunch on December 24, 2005 titled Iran in the Crosshairs for the best summary of the present situation.) The reckless and unnecessary dangers arising from such a war are so obvious that one wonders why normal political forces in the two aggressor countries -- both of whom love to glorify themselves as democracies -- would not prevent such a war from happening.

But the "normal political forces" in both the U.S. and Israel have become badly distorted. Democracy has been seriously undermined in both. The cowboy-like personalities and aggressive tendencies of both countries' leaders tend to feed on each other. Domestic political difficulties and coming elections in both countries probably add to the macho inclination of the ruling elites to use force to remove any problems facing them. The glue binding these tendencies together is the ever-strengthening institutional link between defense establishments and military-industrial complexes in both countries, as well as, in the U.S, the growing power and influence of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) over both major political parties. The entire mix increases the probability, against all common sense, that this absurd war will actually happen.

(snip)

Outside the United States, it is widely understood that one of the true motives -- not the exclusive motive but a real and significant one -- behind the Bush administration's 2003 invasion of Iraq was the desire of the neocons in Washington to conquer Iraq in order to benefit Israel. Although a few of the big-name neocons (Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Lewis "Scooter" Libby) have left high-visibility positions for various reasons, many remain, and it is clear that Bush himself, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Rice have taken as their own the main tenets of neocon beliefs. Inside the U.S., on the other hand, the pressure of the neocons for war on Israel's behalf, or any hint that Bush himself participates in that pressure, is hardly ever mentioned. This taboo on discussing the Israeli link to the war in Iraq, enforced by the threat of being labeled anti-Semitic, introduces major distortions into practically every effort to examine and change policies that are causing massive hatred of the U.S. around the world.

(snip)

What should be done to change U.S. policy on Iran's nuclear program?
First of all, don't fall into the trap of accepting Iran's public claims that it is not attempting to acquire nuclear weapons. Many of the nations that now have such weapons made similar claims while they were developing the weapons. Israel did so throughout the first half of the 1960s, engaging in elaborate subterfuges even when dealing with U.S. inspectors who occasionally came looking for weapons work. The Israeli claims were so much garbage (see Israeli author Avner Cohen's book, Israel and the Bomb). Then, after it acquired its first nuclear explosive device almost 40 years ago now, Israel simply adopted a well publicized policy of ambiguity and stopped talking publicly about whether it had any weapons. India and Pakistan also both claimed not to be working on weapons when in fact they were. Their claims were garbage too, which they quickly threw away once they joined the nuclear club and possessed their own deterrent. Iran almost certainly intends to do the same, and its public claims to the contrary are also almost certainly worthless.

http://www.counterpunch.org/christison12292005.html

(emphasis added)
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 04:38 PM
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1. If the Iranians are developing a nuclear weapon....
The weapons need to be taken out before they are activated. They will use it on Israel, their government is run by a bunch of muslim wackos who are hell-bent on destroying Israel. We can't let that happen, whatever our opinion of Israel may be. Lots of innocent Israelis and Palestineans would be killed in such an attack.

I say let the Moussad figure out where the weapons are being manufactured and let the Israeli Air Force bomb the sites. I say this because nobody in the west trusts our intelligence anymore after Iraq, and the Moussad does know their business. They warned us about 9-11 (along with half of the rest of the world, like Russia, Egypt, Italy, etc.).
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 04:39 PM
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2. The only way I could possibly agree with your reasoning
is if we force Israel to dump all their nukes. And let's dump ours while we're at it.

Then, if Iran still insists on trying to develop nukes, we can worry about it.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 05:56 PM
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6. That's right--otherwise, it's just too hypocritical!
Just b/c our, ahem, dominant political party, is hypocrisy personified, doesn't mean ALL of us have to be hypocrites!
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 05:54 PM
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5. Sorry, but no.
Pakistan isn't exactly crazy about Israel, and I don't see them wantonly nuking it.

Israel isn't exactly crazy about, oh, say, Syria, and so far they haven't used any of their OWN NUMEROUS AND POWERFUL NUKES to nuke Syria. (So far!)

Israel is a powerful country. So why do WE need to be involved??

I don't understand why WE always have to be the ones who give the most! We've given thousands of young lives already!!!

A pre-emptive attack on Iran would cost lots of people their lives. It would be so stupid to cost people their lives in order to "save the world" or "save Israel". It makes no sense to me to start a new war to "prevent a war". It's like throwing out the baby with the bath water.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 05:20 PM
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3. I disagree, as well
Edited on Wed Jan-04-06 05:21 PM by Zodiak Ironfist
I do not believe in preemptive war, and nither does international law.

And lets not even talk about handing over a sensitive operation in Iran to Mossad. If anyone can get the Middle East collectively pissed off, it is Israel.

Whoops...this post was meant to be a reply to the above post...not the OP.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 05:50 PM
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4. Oh! I finally read the last sentence, lol.
I was wondering!

Anyway, thanks for the reply. I certainly didn't see what could be objectionable in trying to stop a war--and now I know you more or less agree.
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