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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 08:03 PM
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So Bev is making news down in South Florida.
WEST PALM BEACH - An examination of Palm Beach County's electronic voting machine records from the 2004 election found possible tampering and tens of thousands of malfunctions and errors, a watchdog group said Thursday.
Bev Harris, founder of BlackBoxVoting.org, said the findings call into question the outcome of the presidential race. But county officials and the maker of the electronic voting machines strongly disputed that and took issue with the findings.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/13944740.htm

Dontcha just wish it was somebody other than Bev and BlackBox who was leading the charge?
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 08:04 PM
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1. David Cobb is still fighting in Ohio with Cliff Arnebeck
Edited on Thu Feb-23-06 08:04 PM by FreedomAngel82
And that libertanin guy.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 06:18 AM
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46. Ah, Cliffie. I do miss hearing about him.
How is Cliffie? Does anyone know?
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 08:08 PM
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2. Yes, she is still fighting it.
I get emails from her all the times what she is doing. I do however, caution her action thou. I truly hope, she is doing it from her heart.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 08:09 PM
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3. or for her pocketbook.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 08:15 PM
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5. Just yesterday, I thought we hadn't heard from ol Bev in awhile
Figured we would soon as her funds are prolly getting low...

Time to warn the newbies?
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crizzo5137 Donating Member (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 08:32 PM
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8. yeah warn the newbies...
Edited on Thu Feb-23-06 08:32 PM by crizzo5137
whats a 'bev' lol
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 08:15 PM
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6. Makes a big profit, does she?
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 04:44 AM
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32. Posted on her site that her annual budget is $350K
Edited on Fri Feb-24-06 04:49 AM by Boredtodeath
I wouldn't mind playing that kind of annual budget.

BTW, where ARE those financial documents a 501(c)(3) are legally required to file?

Here's the quote from her own forum:
When I established Black Box Voting I set out a modest budget, about $350,000 per year, to enable us to cover travel costs and modest salaries for a few people.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 05:09 AM
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36. Just checked GuideStar
Nothing filed there. $350K eh? Well la te da. After all this time and all that money, you'd think she could prove that at least one vote was fraudulent.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 08:32 PM
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9. i'll never see that $100 again.
Edited on Thu Feb-23-06 08:42 PM by chimpsrsmarter
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 08:51 PM
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12. join the club
:banghead:
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Steve A Play Donating Member (638 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 05:06 AM
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35. If it makes you feel any better
you paid for 1/1000 of the costs of the "Thompson" and "Hursti" hacks. You should feel great about that!
You have no idea how important your contribution was. :)

Steven P. :kick:
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 05:38 AM
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41. I got off light with my $25 donation. Who else would be good to support?
I was planning to send more over time, but then the fracas hit the fan at DU. The trouble with DU having been burned so badly by Bev is I ended up not knowing what other group would be good to donate to.

Suggestions would be welcome.

Hekate

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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 06:01 AM
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44. VotersUnite.org, VoteTrustUSA.org and EFF.org
are all good organizations doing the hard work and heavy lifting on this issue.

EFF is the legal organization which sued in North Carolina, causing Diebold to refuse to do business in that state.

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Steve A Play Donating Member (638 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 06:06 AM
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45. You paid for 1/400 th of the Thompson and Hursti attacks!
Thank you! America is forever in your dept! :)

Steven P. :kick:
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 08:12 PM
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4. yeah, i wish it was someone who hadn't screwed the pooch.....
among others, and lost a great deal of cred in the process.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 08:16 PM
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7. So, was the data from the FOIA requests?
Anyone know? :shrug:
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Steve A Play Donating Member (638 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 05:51 AM
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43. Yes, after the lawsuit to get them to provide the data!
:)
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 07:36 AM
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55. Glad to see my money went to good use
:thumbsup:
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 08:41 PM
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10. what is everyone's problem with bev harris?
i never did hear what it was that she did that was so awful. how many of you are actively working to make our elections valid?

ellen fl
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 08:48 PM
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11. Try here
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 08:53 PM
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13. Besides ripping off DUers and enabling the stalking of
Andy Stephenson -- Oh, and delaying for months the health care that was vital to treating his cancer -- not a thing.

We need to credit that grifter will every single one of her achievements.
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Trevelyan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 09:01 PM
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14. I don't know what Bev Harris did and I agree with you Ellen that
she is one of the few who has been working since 2000 to expose the deception of Diebold electronic voting.

There was another site Blackbox voting run by Andy Stephenson who was very beloved. When he passed away many DUers sent flowers and I think there were several threads. He sounded like a wonderful person and it was at that time that I first began reading DU.

I remember that Keith Olbermann was going to have Bev on when he was the only TV newsperson talking about the voter fraud but she ranted to his staff and would not let them see the tape she was going to bring proving voter fraud and Keith said they would not allow someone to show film of their puppy if it had not been vetted by his staff and Keith spoke of her abuse to his staff and his not allowing a potential guest to do that to his staff persons.

Someone linked to a site on "mobbing" a European word for bullying at work that has the connotations of a number of people not just one singling out a scapegoat for constant bullying. The link was in context of what Andy had suffered and I think the implication was that he and Bev had worked together before Andy started his own Blackbox Voting site -- one was an org and one a com and one - I think it was Andy's said they had taken down the Paypal box because of Bev's hissy fit that donations meant for her group were going to Andy.

The above is my surmise about Bev and Andy being the reason for the dislike of Bev and with the Olbermann blog about Bev's treatment of his staff, it sounds verifiably. I do think that Bev had a very sensitive article, KITTY GENOVESE NEIGHBORS on her BrokenLinks site about a boy who had lost his arms in the Iraqi bombing and linked the uncaring US response to the Fallujah massacre and the maiming and murder of children with the Kitty Genovese story of a woman who was murdered and screamed for a half hour which chased away her assailant but he came back when he saw that no one helped her and she was too incapacitated by the knife attack to get away The people in the nearby apartments would not call the police "because they did not want to get involved" and a bus went by and had to have seen the murder taking place but the driver did not radio it in. I remembered the case and it was played up by the media as being a statement on how Americans don't want to get involved even if all it takes is picking of the phone and calling 911 for help anonomously.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 09:06 PM
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15. me neither
?
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 09:17 PM
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16. I'm glad you said that
I refuse to read those threads. I remember when practically everyone was singing her praises. I remember all the hard work she did and does still, and the most that a lot of people on DU did was clap and perhaps donate some money. I personally believe she earned the money and I still believe she is misunderstood and very brave; and, yes, I loved Andy Stephenson, also. So, there. Ya'll leave Bev alone now.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 10:15 PM
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18. Don't ever say that to Randi Rhodes, who solicited money
for her on her show because Bev had promised to be on hand in the Ohio election when it was becoming apparent that there was a lot of chicanery going on. Then she disappeared. Randi found her a day or so later down in Florida. When Randi asked her why she wasn't in Ohio, Bev couldn't answer her. Randi subsequently said that she would never forgive Bev for what she did. Bev has done a lot of shit to a lot of people.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 03:17 AM
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20. Nah, she's a freeper
Edited on Fri Feb-24-06 03:19 AM by LittleClarkie
that's creepy enough. Has been since 2/26/2003

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?name=BevHarris
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 03:24 AM
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22. I couldn't read through the whole thing
Is she a freeper cause she posts on that site or is there something specific I should be looking at?
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 03:27 AM
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23. No, that's about it.
Edited on Fri Feb-24-06 04:01 AM by LittleClarkie
Posting in Freeperville tends to make one a Freeper. She's also a Kossack, I see. She used to be a DUer, but she got banned for being abusive.

I'm surprised they never banned her. Apparently she's selling herself as non-partisan. Said Bush was interested in her work. Uh... huh. Yeah, I'll bet he was.

And there's a bit, 2/3rds of the way down that page, where she questions if Andy was even sick. Why she went there to bitch about us here, I don't know. Seems like an odd place to vent. This was a destructive thing because it was the freepers who in part delayed Andy's surgery. She added fuel to the speculation that he didn't really have cancer over there. Not cool. I wonder if she ever apologized.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 04:23 AM
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30. Apologize? Bev Harris? You MUST be kidding!
She'll deny she ever said it.

Apology, introspection, self evaluation and sorrow are not parts of Bev Harris' vocabulary.

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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 06:44 AM
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53. An apology would require Bev to admit she did something wrong.
Edited on Fri Feb-24-06 06:47 AM by BlueIris
For a person with her issues, admitting she is wrong can be the equivalent of total powerlessness--which is unacceptable to her. It's the reason she sucks as an activist, investigator, and "friend." That collection of disorders is the reason she can't trust anyone else, can't comprehend who constitutes a trustworthy individual, how to critically evaluate information, or, in my humble opinion, the difference between right and wrong.

She has no business being in charge of an activist organization of this nature, or representing herself of anything affiliated with truth.
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 09:18 PM
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17. The Bev Harris story for newbies and those who have forgotten ...
Just for starters on a Bev education:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=340188

Painful to see Andy's words in that thread. Miss him.

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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 03:35 AM
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25. That was sickening... I had no idea...
Quite aside from her obvious failings, the woman is heartless... The things she said about Andy were just... cruel.

There are no appropriate words to explain how reading that made me feel--I never paid much attention to Harris, but when I came across her work I always had respect for her and what she was trying to do... until tonight...

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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 11:11 AM
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60. she's a member of Free Republic, last I heard. nt
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Steve A Play Donating Member (638 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 03:09 AM
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19. So what are YOU waiting for?
:shrug: (A True "Bev-Bot" Speaks!)

There are hundreds of us working with BlackBoxVoting.org from Maine to Florida, California to Alaska, and all points in between. We even have a few very active members in foreign countries. There are thousands of other 'members' who visit on a daily basis. If you don't appreciate the effort that we're collectively putting out, feel free to go out and organize something better on your own, but please don't bash the rest of us for working with Bev as part of this 501(c)(3), non partisan, non profit, organization. BlackBoxVoting.org is a lot more than just Bev Harris, and we're all proud of what we've accomplished across the country so far, and proud of what we continue to do every day. We have never stopped , and we don't intend to.

There are a good number of us at BBV.org who have been working non stop on various projects and investigations since well before the 2004 elections. It takes lots of people and many man hours to file all of the FOIA PRR's, conduct web searches and interviews, take depositions, and otherwise gather the documentation that provides solid evidence of what's really happening in our elections. We're developing the kind of evidence that stands up in court and leads to solid legal actions. There are many such actions that we're involved in, in one way or another, across the country.

What Black Box Voting.org is doing in Florida right now is the result of over a years work and over $7,000.00 in FOIA fees just for that county alone. That doesn't include the legal costs incurred fighting to get them. We have two URGENT actions happening here in California currently and we are working with several local grass roots organizations in various counties to help them co-ordinate their efforts for maximum effect at the state level. Contrary to popular belief we're supporting local groups by sending representatives to speak at their events free of charge, and BBV.org donates $400.00 worth of books, that can be sold at the event, to help them offset their costs in hosting it. All proceeds raised at an event go to the local group hosting the event.

It takes lots of time and money to arrange 'real world' tests like those performed by Dr. Hugh Thompson and Harri Hursti. Those tests reportedly* cost around $100,000.00, the bulk of that paid for legal wrangling to allow them to happen, the rest on travel, meals, and accommodations to pull them off. (* I say reportedly because there are complete financial reports documenting every claimed expense per IRS rules.) Considering the damage that those tests did to the multi million dollar professional PR 'spin' campaign waged by Diebold and a consortium of other vendors, I consider that relatively small amount of money to have been well spent.

I see posts here claiming that Bev is somehow trying to "take credit" for, what are well known as, the "Thompson hack" and the "Hursti hack". It makes my head hurt just thinking about the absurdity of someone trying to imply that Bev Harris is somehow trying to "claim" that she came up with the "Thompson hack" or "Hursti hack", or conversely, that she and BBV.org had nothing to do with making those tests happen.

Perhaps you should visit our web site sometime and get an idea of just how many people you're smearing, who we are, and what we're actually doing. :)

Here's what we're doing in Florida right now.

Posted by Bev Harris on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 08:49 pm:

Records are being turned over the the Palm Beach County office of the
FBI Friday morning at 9:00 a.m. The internal logs of at least 40
Sequoia touch-screen voting machines reveal that votes were time and
date-stamped as cast two weeks before the election, sometimes in the
middle of the night.

Black Box Voting had to sue former Palm Beach County (FL) Supervisor
of Elections Theresa LePore to get the audit records for the 2004
presidential election.

After investing over $7,000 and waiting nine months, Black Box Voting
obtained the records. The voting machine logs contained approximately
100,000 errors, including 1,475 voting system calibrations while the
polls were open. Palm Beach County listed 4,313 voting machines in its
assignment log.

The most disturbing find though was several dozen voting machines with
votes for the Nov. 2, 2004 election cast on dates like Oct. 16, 15,
19, 13, 25, 28 2004 and on Nov. 2, 2010.

Black Box Voting ruled out the possibility that these were Logic &
Accuracy L&A test results, and verified that these results did appear
in the final totals. In addition to the date discrepancies, most had
incorrect polling times, with votes appearing throughout the wee hours
of the night. These machines were L&A tested, and those results had
the correct date and time.

According to the voting machine assignment log, these machines were
not assigned to early voting locations. The number of votes on each
machine also corresponds with the numbers typical of polling place
machines rather than early voting.

Many of these machines showed unexplained log activity after the L&A
test but before Election Day. In addition, many more machines without
date anomalies showed this log activity, which revealed someone
powering up the machine, opening the program, then powering it down
again. In at least one instance, the date discrepancy appeared when
someone accessed the machine two minutes after the L&A test was
completed.

Voting machines are computers, and computers have batteries that can
cause date and time discrepancies, but it does not appear that these
particular discrepancies could have been caused by battery problems.

The evidence indicates that someone accessed the computers after the
L&A and before the election, and that this access caused a change in
the machine's behavior.

Approximately 4,000 votes were cast on these machines. The vote
pattern and activity pattern appears to be identical to typical
patterns found on Election Day -- All votes on the discrepant machines
were spread over a 12-hour period, the length of time the Florida
polls are open.

A member of the Palm Beach County electronic voting technical
committee asked for the names of the technicians for Palm Beach who
had access to the machines during that time, but the IT person, Jeff
Darden, remained stonily silent and never answered the question.

The Palm Beach County Supervisor of Elections, Arthur Anderson, said
that his staff had looked into the problem and that the votes were
normal, it's just that the dates somehow changed.

Other anomalies

• "Card Stuck" error: Occured at least 70,000 times.

The logs show that these cards were placed in the machine (which
normally "swallows" the card like old-fashioned ATM machines, holding
the card inside until the voting activites are complete, then ejecting
it). The logs show that the card was authenticated, indicating that
the machine believed the card was valid and had retrieved the
appropriate ballot. Just before the vote was cast, the "card stuck"
error appeared.

According to Michelle Shafer, who is now the spokesperson for Sequoia
Voting Systems,

She wrote that a card stuck error stuck error appears "any time an
activation card makes contact with the activator in the electronic
voting unit and comes back out. This happens for the following
reasons:

• A voter does not push the card all the way in so it comes back out
• A voter inserts the card again after haveing already used it to vote
once...
• A voter inserts the card backwards
• The card actually gets stuck in the machine (not typical)

Previously, a Sequioa rep attributed the card stuck error to jiggling
the card while it is inserted, however that doesn't seem to hold up
since it would take a pair of tweezers and considerable manual
dexterity to jiggle it.

As to putting the card in backwards or upside down, the message that
normally appears is probably the "invalid card insertion" message.
Because of the high number of these errors, and because no reports
were produced indicating that any voters had reported the card popping
out while they were trying to vote, Black Box Voting recommended to
Palm Beach that testing should be done to replicate the error, making
sure that the explanation holds water and that there is no adverse
impact on the vote.

A member of the Committee asked whether a testing day could be set up,
but Jeff Darden again sat stonily silent, and despite some prodding,
no such testing appears to be on the horizon.

• AC Power Off Incidents Any of us who use computers know that it is
not a good idea to yank the power from your machine while you are
entering mission-critical data, especially without a backup. (The Palm
Beach voting machines lack voter verified paper trails.)

Dozens of voting machines were turned off during the middle of the
election while the polls were open. Machine # 6359 in precinct 1036
was powered down 128 during the election.

Other power-related issues included "Main Battery not charging" and
"backup battery too low".

• "Unknown event" messages

A handful of machines showed "unknown event" messages, apparently of
different kinds. This is an interesting error message, since the FEC
guidelines frown on undefined exceptions. What is the point of having
an error message if you don't reveal anything about what the error is?

Machine number 5875 in Precinct 1077 showed two different "unknown
errors," listing them as "unknown error 219" and "unknown error 220."

• auto-act election info bad and "auto-act write ver fail" messages
also show up in the logs, with the "election info bad" message
appearing hundreds of times.

• Card encryption bad and Card read fail errors also appeared, with
the encryption error message the more frequent of the two.

• Polls closed and results report messages would be expected to appear
on every voting machine at the end of the voting cycle, but these
revealed problems with poll worker training and procedures at the
administrative/training level. Some logs reported one report printed,
some two, three, four or five, and several not only had no results
tape printed but showed no closing of the polls. (Closing the polls
tells the voting machine not to accept any more votes).

• Simulation not sim task was a message that offered no ready
explanation, and another that left us wondering was the "Maint
Official AT Report" error. Call a maintenance official? Maintain an
official AT report?

• SyErr 23: RC/AT Verify
and Sys Err 31: Vote Not Rec 1 imply a system error of some type, at
least one of which would affect the vote.

• EEPROM failure
Now this is a message you don't want to see on a voting machine. It
happened a couple dozen times.

The logs indicate that poll workers used significantly different
operating procedures from one place to another. One of the least
desirable actions some poll workers were taking was to perform
multiple calibrations on the machines during the day, every few hours.

Hundreds of records were simply missing, not provided at all, making
it impossible to complete a formal audit.

After meeting with the authorities to determine protocols about
releasing the detailed report, Black Box Voting plans to publish a
detail report giving full log details on the 40 machines accessed by
an insider.



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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:28 AM
Response to Reply #19
57. What that bitch did to Andy is unforgivable. Period.
Smearing a cancer patient fighting for his LIFE on FreakRepublic? FUCK HER, and anyone who aligns themselves with her.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 03:19 AM
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21. No matter what she did to DU
The fact is that if it weren't for her, this wouldn't even be in the news right now.

Most people who will read this have no clue nor will ever about what she did. All they see is someone exposing election fraud and that is good.
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 03:36 AM
Response to Reply #21
26. I think we have enough power as a group and as individuals to get this
issue the press it needs--having reviewed the available material on Bev Harris, she does not appear to be someone I want on my side, regardless of what successes she has had.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 03:38 AM
Response to Reply #26
28. Then let's do it and not just talk about it
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 01:37 PM
Response to Reply #28
63. I didn't start the thread :)
I am 100% in agreement with you.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 04:39 AM
Response to Reply #21
31. But, that's the point - she's NOT exposing fraud
Edited on Fri Feb-24-06 04:42 AM by Boredtodeath
Let me take just one example......

All this hoopla about votes "after L&A testing, but before early voting" is nothing but a red herring.

I'll link below to examples of the same behavior in Georgia - dated as early as September 20, 2004.

But it's NOT FRAUD. It's not even ILLEGAL.

What it IS is the (stupid, but) LEGAL casting of a vote during the absentee period. In Georgia, 45 days before an election any voter who appears at an elections office requesting an absentee ballot is asked to cast their absentee vote on a DRE.

Now, do I think that's a REAL stupid way to conduct an election? Oh hell yes. But the bottom line is I can only make my opinion count by changing the law in Georgia to stop the stupidity.

It's not FRAUD. And to make such claims without investigating the law, asking those who conduct elections to explain it, is irresponsible and lacking in all credibilty.

To make these specious claims, spread them all over the internet, and ask people to rely on them as fact hurts us all when they are proven to be illegitimate.

Here's the link: (PDF document)
http://www.countthevote.org/dbd_docs/dre_absentee_recap.pdf
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 11:04 AM
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59. OK, I'm not really trying to defend her
Because I don't know her. I did send her money after the election, only ten bucks, but whatever.

I'm just happy to see this out in the MSM to get people thinking about it.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 11:21 AM
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62. I believed she torpedoed the black box movement.
This fall, four out of five people will be using new electronic voting machines...

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:-sQNNYhA4VsJ:news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060207/ap_on_hi_te/voting_machines+new+electronic+voting+machines&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=16&client=firefox-a

We are LOSING the fight against these machines. She has done a lot of squawking... but no results.
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bluedonkey Donating Member (644 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 03:29 AM
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24. Absolutely!
I can't stand seeing her name and guess what I found on Dkos tonight:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/2/24/1219/27924
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Steve A Play Donating Member (638 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 03:37 AM
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27. Yeah So?
:shrug:
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 04:18 AM
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29. I hope folks are seeing this pattern
It MUST be election time again - there's Bev Harris making all kinds of claims about the LAST election, long after any meaningful time to do a recount or USE THE DATA.

Soon, she'll be putting out a call for all election activists to "spread their eagle wings" and fight, fight, fight.

But, don't forget that that it takes lots of cold, hard cash to fight this battle so drop some off before they take flight.

Hmmmm, will she call for all modems to be unplugged again this year or will she focus on IrDA and wireless?

Which prominent newscaster will she piss off this election? It's likely to be FAUX network because no reliable person who wishes to keep their reputation and credibility intact will touch her with a 10 ft. pole.

Oh, it's election season.......there's Bev Harris.



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Steve A Play Donating Member (638 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 05:01 AM
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34. Go ahead, see if you can refute our evidence!
See you in court "board"! :rofl:

Steven P. :kick:

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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 05:22 AM
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37. You must have missed this one. Refuted.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 06:29 AM
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50. what's that sound I hear?
crickets chirping........

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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 04:56 AM
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33. Good activist vs. Bad activist
Let's just do a comparison here:

2 activists - Bev Harris and Joyce McCloy

Bev runs around the internet screaming hysterical pronouncements of fraud and fundraising, fundraising, fundraising. Sues Diebold in an action that puts money in her pocket and seals all the evidence away forever.

Joyce works hard, quietly but effectively creating a group of activists who change the law in her state without a single fundraiser. Sues Diebold and runs them out of the state.

Hmmmm........who ACCOMPLISHED something?

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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 05:30 AM
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38. Excellent post
And that's the point.

Wherever there is some "cause", some injustice that needs righting, there will be two distinct sets of people there railing against it. Those who sincerely believe that a wrong is being commited and want nothing more than to change it, and those who know that anytime people get roiled up over an issue there is the potential to profit.

Bev is the latter.

And to those who would say that they don't CARE how much she profits, as long as he gets results, I tell you this, SHE IS NOT HELPING THIS CAUSE. In fact she is hurting it. That article above, the one in the Miami paper? Means nothing. Closer examination of the issues raised reveals that Bev is going on about "problems" that aren't even a problem. Believe you me, anyone attempting to manipulate behind the scenes the vote tallies cast on touch screen voting machines is NOT going to use tactics that result in stuck cards and the like. They will simply let everyone cast their ballots believing full well that their vote has been duly recorded, then simply change the tallies.

If I wanted to use arguments like Bev's, I could refer to the 2000 elections here in Palm Beach County and chalk up every hanging chad, every dimpled ballot, every instance of a card not lining up properly behind the holes, every damaged ballot exchanged for a new one, and so on, aand come up with a total of "irregularities" far larger than she did in 2004. Those punchcards though were far more reliable than the electronic voting slot machines that replaced them. Bitching about failed EPROMS and failing backup batteries gets publicity but really doesn't even address the real issues with these machines, which is that the voting records are largely unaudited and the software which records them is kept secret. Don't be fooled into thinking that because she makes a lot of noise she cares about this. To this day she still doesn't know how these machines operate or why they are a problem.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 05:47 AM
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42. Her complete lack of knowledge about computers is astounding
After all this time, you would THINK she had at least learned the terminology!

During our review in Georgia we saw many of the same things Bev is crying about here. The difference was two fold:

1. We asked for explanations before we went screaming out on the internet.

2. We took our findings and the explanations to reliable, knowledgeable computer security experts for peer review and confirmation.

This is how someone searching for the TRUTH behaves.

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Steve A Play Donating Member (638 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 06:18 AM
Response to Reply #42
47. Maybe that's the reason she solicits computer security experts like
Dr. Herbert Thompson and Harri Hursti to do the security analysis for our organization? What are your creds?

Steven P. :kicK:
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 06:25 AM
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49. Perhaps she should have asked them to review THIS
Because she's making a public ass of herself.

Since I'm not running around the internet making claims of fraud, I don't have to answer to your question about my creds.

Not to mention, I'm not asking anyone to FUND my claims.
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Steve A Play Donating Member (638 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 05:36 AM
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39. Lets see how wrong you can be shall we?
Edited on Fri Feb-24-06 05:41 AM by Steve A Play
You state, "(Bev) Sues Diebold in an action that puts money in her pocket and seals all the evidence away forever."

Let's look at that statement alone. First off, the money collected from Diebold here in California went predominately to the people here in California who were ripped off by Diebold. Of the minor amount that was awarded to Bev Harris personally, 10% was 'tithed' to her church and the other 90% was donated to the NPO BlackBoxVoting.org and tagged specifically for paying for legal actions. Please post any evidence you have that proves anything to the contrary. As for the evidence we provided in that case, please post your proof that we aren't able to, and aren't currently using it in other active cases.

I can't wait to see your proof.

Steven P. :kick:

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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 06:23 AM
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48. This is what happens when you place trust in Bev Harris
From the settlement agreement with Diebold:

The original qui tam complaint filed by MARCH and HARRIS on November 21, 2003 is
ordered dismissed with prejudice. All DOE defendants named in the First Amended Complaint
are dismissed with prejudice.
http://www.verifiedvoting.org/downloads/Proposed%20Settlement-Final%20(11-10-04).pdf

DISMISSAL WITH PREJUDICE - When a case is dismissed for good reason and the plaintiff is barred from bringing an action on the same claim.
http://www.lectlaw.com/def/d061.htm

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Steve A Play Donating Member (638 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 06:36 AM
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51. barred from bringing an action "on the same claim."
The evidence may be used to support other claims as long as it's found factual in a court of law. Please prove otherwise.

Steven P. :kick:
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 06:43 AM
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52. The claim IS - Diebold making false claims
Oh, I see........that's why she's going after Sequoia in Florida!

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 07:32 AM
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54. So, she donated 90% to BBV whose books have never been open
and "tithed" 10% to her church?

:rofl:

Is that the same church where her spawn disrupted a gay wedding? Or, was she run out of that one?

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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 07:53 AM
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56. No, she SAYS she donated 90% to the cause
Without the appropriate filings being done, there's no way to confirm that.

And, if I remember correctly, the church where her son was charged with assault wasn't her own, but a church which had invited her husband's "choir" to perform.

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:40 AM
Response to Reply #33
58. yes Joyce is my Hero!
I love what she has done. :loveya:
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 05:38 AM
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40. YES!!! ALWAYS!!
She's the only one suing CA's rethug SoS over noncompliance with CA Election Code Section 19202.

But a couple of years back, she screwed CA over with her qui tam suit against Diebold.

A mixed bag, to say the least ... and a heartless sociopath to boot.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 11:18 AM
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61. Bev Harris is a self-serving snake-oil salesman.
Wrapping her fundraising in a thin veneer of "crusader".

And we have seen what happens when that veneer gets scratched,
and the REAL Bev oozes through.

The real Bev turns out to be
a pompous, vindictive, lying, slanderous, manipulative
absolutely RANCID little turd of a human being.

Her public efforts serve her bank account and her ego;
all else is window dressing.

Stealing a quote from Dana Carvey:
Bev is NO ONE'S friend.
If she was an ice cream flavor,
she would be 'Pralines and Dick'.
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