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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 01:37 PM
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Is it normal for a Democratic Lobbyist to give money to Republicans?
If you listen to republicans, it happens all the time. Apparnetly Republican Lobbyist, Jack Abramoff give just as much money to Democrats as he does republicans.
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LeftNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 01:38 PM
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1. Abramoff didnt give any money to Dems
Some of the Indian tribes that he dealt with did. Some did before Abramoff was involved with them. Although, the pugs have the power, you still need democrats and Im sure lobbyists work both sides.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 01:40 PM
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2. Most Lobbyists give to both parties and give a damn about anything other
than the thing they are lobbying for.

Abromoff gave exclusively to Republicans. some of Abramoff's clients gave to Democrats, but Abramoff money exclusively went to Republicans.
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rkc3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 01:41 PM
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3. You Dems are always getting caught up in the nuances.
End Sarcasm
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 01:47 PM
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4. You wouldn't know that if you only read the paper or watch the teevee
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 01:50 PM
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5. That's less true as the "K-Street Project" nears completion.
Like all of US politics, it's becoming less and less about "best for all" and more about wedge issues as mere devices for gaining partisan advantage.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 01:51 PM
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6. JackAss Abramoff did not give ONE SINGLE DIME to Democrats
We need to nip that bullshit in the bud. I already see too many people (not here on DU - out in the barely conscious public) lazily sweeping the whole mess under the rug ("well, both sides did it", "ALL politicians are crooked", etc) and it drives me up the wall.

No, they don't "all" do it, and while I'd never canonize Democrats as saints, they are A FAR SIGHT more ethical and honest than the vast majority of rethuglicans in congress. And not a single one of them rec'd dirty money from Abramoff.

Now, did some Dems (or more specifically, charitable PACs they endorsed) receive funds from those poor suckers who happened to be victims of Abramoff? Possibly so. With an eye to proportion and perspective, the comparable amounts we are talking about here are ridiculously out of balance.

$5k to Dorgan's Dakota childrens education fund versus MILLIONS to any ONE of these jokers private offshore account is like buying a Dem's constituent a soda at the company cafeteria.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 01:51 PM
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7. What democratic lobbyists? Enter the K-Street Project...
Why isn't the "press" asking about the k-street project? :shrug:


http://www.nybooks.com/articles/18075

The Republican purge of K Street is a more thorough, ruthless, vindictive, and effective attack on Democratic lobbyists and other Democrats who represent businesses and other organizations than anything Washington has seen before. The Republicans don't simply want to take care of their friends and former aides by getting them high-paying jobs: they want the lobbyists they helped place in these jobs and other corporate representatives to arrange lavish trips for themselves and their wives; to invite them to watch sports events from skyboxes; and, most important, to provide a steady flow of campaign contributions. The former aides become part of their previous employers' power networks. Republican leaders also want to have like-minded people on K Street who can further their ideological goals by helping to formulate their legislative programs, get them passed, and generally circulate their ideas. When I suggested to Grover Norquist, the influential right-wing leader and the leading enforcer of the K Street Project outside Congress, that numerous Democrats on K Street were not particularly ideological and were happy to serve corporate interests, he replied, "We don't want nonideological people on K Street, we want conservative activist Republicans on K Street."

The K Street Project has become critical to the Republicans' efforts to control all the power centers in Washington: the White House, Congress, the courts—and now, at least, an influential part of the corporate world, the one that raises most of the political money. It's another way for Republicans to try to impose their programs on the country. The Washington Post reported recently that House Majority Whip Roy Blunt, of Missouri, has established "a formal, institutionalized alliance" with K Street lobbyists. They have become an integral part of the legislative process by helping to get bills written and passed—and they are rewarded for their help by the fees paid by their clients. Among the results are legislation that serves powerful private interests all the more openly—as will be seen, the energy bill recently passed by the House is a prime example —and a climate of fear that is new. The conservative commentator David Brooks said on PBS's NewsHour earlier this year, "The biggest threat to the Republican majority is the relationship on K Street with corporate lobbyists and the corruption that is entailed in that." But if the Republicans are running a risk of being seen as overreaching in their takeover of K Street, there are few signs that they are concerned about it.

When the Republicans first announced the K Street Project after they won a majority in Congress in the 1994 election, they warned Washington lobbying and law firms that if they wanted to have appointments with Republican legislators they had better hire more Republicans. This was seen as unprecedentedly heavy-handed, but their deeper purposes weren't yet understood. Since the Democrats had been in power on Capitol Hill for a long time, many of the K Street firms then had more Democrats than Republicans or else they were evenly balanced. But the Democrats had been hired because they were well connected with prominent Democrats on Capitol Hill, not because Democratic Congresses demanded it. Moreover, it makes sense for lobbying firms that want access to members of Congress to hire people with good contacts in the majority party—especially former members or aides of the current leaders. But the bullying tactics of Republicans in the late 1990s were new.

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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 02:41 PM
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8. I said democratic lobbyist for lurking freepers for comparison.
when have we ever heard of a major democratic lobbyist giving most of their money to republicans.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 02:50 PM
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9. I understand what you meant...I was being dramatic for effect.
:hi: You are exactly correct.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 02:57 PM
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10. And thank you for that link.
I wonder how come we haven't heard from Norquist or Ralph Reed on this republican scandal? Hmm...
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 03:05 PM
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12. Norquist was so busy drowning the government in the bathtub
that he didn't notice his lil empire collapsing around him. Heh.

http://www.slate.com/id/2133666/
Grover Norquist—The president of Americans for Tax Reform and longtime Abramoff friend, Norquist donated $1 million in ATR funds to an anti-lottery and gaming coalition, a portion of which supported Ralph Reed's phony grass-roots organizing for Abramoff. Norquist also arranged White House meetings for Abramoff's tribal client. Congressional investigators suspect that Norquist, whose organization receives money from Indian tribes Abramoff represented, may have been laundering funds for Abramoff. But Norquist was never interviewed or called to testify before Sen. John McCain's Indian affairs committee. Norquist has not yet talked to investigators in the Abramoff probe and says the White House meeting with Indian leaders was unconnected—merely a reward for tribes that had passed resolutions supporting the president's policies.



Well, Reed isn't out of the woods either:
http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=74073
Reed Foes Seek Link to Abramoff
ATLANTA (AP) -- Opponents of former Christian Coalition leader Ralph Reed in his bid for lieutenant governor wasted no time today
tying Reed to embattled lobbyist Jack Abramoff.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 02:59 PM
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11. Delay decreed that GOP lobbyists would do biz with GOPers. Period.
There has been a high degree of segregation in DC ever since. This did not exist before Delay became a nasty little Pig Boy. If not for Delay, there would be many more Dems caught up in this scandal. Because of Delay, all of Abramoffs BEST BUDDIES had to be GOPers--otherwise Delay and HIS best buddies would have slammed the door in Abramoff's face.

So, it is all Tom Delay's fault that this is a great big fat

REPUBLICAN SCANDAL!

And yes, individual groups may have given contributions to whomever, but Abramoff would have been crucified if he was seen to have been doing business with say, John Conyers.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 03:10 PM
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13. Good point!
We'll have to start reminding repukes that it's all Tom Delay's fault that this is a big fat REPUBLICAN SCANDAL.

:thumbsup:
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