The point not discussed in my prior post...

[catnhatnh]

...was "what if" the penalty for any person in an elective position convicted of fraud or malfeasance or corruption,whether at the town,state,or federal level, was 25 years to life???If using ANY elected position for personal gain,from avoiding a parking ticket to shaking down a defense contractor meant most of your life in prison???Suppose helping such a person carried a 7 to 25 year term???And that co-operating in their conviction was the difference in whether you got 7 or 25 years??Things CAN get better as soon as the penalties make the crime not worth it...This is done now for marijuana traffickers who do little harm and have lesser choices...why not apply this to those more privileged???

[Flabbergasted]

1. Hell yeah

And any kind of election tampering 10 years and 100,000 dollars

[TreasonousBastard]

2. Maybe because...

they people who would be writing those laws are the ones who would be put away by them.

[BeFree]

3. Left On!

Those who work for us should be damn well afraid of us, especially when they screw up!

As it is, the People live in fear of our governmnt, when it is the government that should be in fear of us!

[reDEMption]

4. Be careful what you wish for...

"using ANY elected position for personal gain"



It could too easily be pointed out that Clinton used his power/position as President to manipulate a paid subordinate into a sexual relationship (the same way as a doctor and patient, student and professor, boss and secretary, etc.) The fact that he lied to a grand jury about it, and the evidence on M's blue dress, would be a further testament to his guilt.

***I'm not personally saying he did all those things--and I don't want to debate the Clinton thing, so don't turn on your flame-throwers. I am simply pointing out how the law suggested could work for us, OR it could easily work against us, too, so be careful what you wish for.***

[catnhatnh]

6. If you think for a moment I would try to protect...

...A democratic politician from my suggestion then you ARE a jerk!!!

[reDEMption]

8. ?

You'll need to point out where I alluded to your protecting/wanting to protect a democratic politician--I can't find it no matter how many times I reread my post...

[stillcool]

7. Jeebus.....with that kind of logic.....

you might want to see about a brain scan...somethings clogged...

[reDEMption]

9. Who's 'JEEBUS'? I happen to be an atheist...

You don't think Republicans couldn't/DIDN'T come to that very conclusion? Just why do you think such relationships as I mentioned are frowned upon--even against company policy? It's because how they COULD appear--and how things ARE, many times.

(If Big Dawg had been mindful of this, the Republicans would have had NOTHING to nail him with--fairly OR unfairly.)

[stillcool]

10. The "Jeebus" was my expression ...

in regard to your tossing out of Clinton's name, in a discussion about passing laws to stop the hemorrhaging of our government's resources, and our civil liberties. To throw out any name dilutes the argument to a name-calling spectacle of personalities, rather than the "Principle" of government officials ethics enforcement. Of course, if the rule of law had been observed in the first place we wouldn't be having this discussion.

[reDEMption]

11. I've never heard Clinton use that expression...

And yet, when I don't provide a concrete example, I get comments back about THAT, or someone intentionally misunderstands.

It was just an example--I also said in my post that I wasn't debating Clinton and what he did, or didn't do.

In much simpler terms, my point was that we need to think about how the other side will use a law we push at least as much as we think about how WE'D use it. We're not currently in power--nor will we be esp. in SCOTUS for a long time--we need to be mindful of how the conservatives can twist it.

That's not a very subversive idea...thought it was just common sense... :thumbsup: :think:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

5. Politicians should obey the law? What a silly idea.

And, actually serve time? Alas, the politicians make the laws for the lesser folks, not themselves. And, if egregiously caught, they vow to make new laws to make up for the lapse. Kinda like having the mafia police themselves.