Does anyone agree with me that the U.S. started to be sold out from

[peacetalksforall]

under us about 30 years ago.

At the time it happened and ever since I felt as though I 'knew' that Nixon mades deals with Russia and China that extended way into our future. They called it opening up for trade. What a front. During Reagan's rule, we saw real estate and businesses sold in their entirety and we are now accelerating the pace. The pace parallels the melting of ice.

Our jobs. Our contracts for war. Our people. The surveillance being done against us.

Our leaders are selling us.

This deal for the ports is outrageous. This is not just a business deal. This is a giant signal in the sky that all can see.

Whether you are First Nation, immigrant, native-born, naturalized or a guest - you are on land and under laws that are disintegrating around us. Slowly, slowly - so no one notices.

[xchrom]

1. it's when the oligarchs began to make their play.

when you first began to hear how trade was an important tool of our foreign policy.

on the surface -- a reasonable phrase -- what we didn't know was the intention to create an anemic american economy -- an economy that over specializes.

now lack of diversity in our economy should described as a national security risk.

[mikita]

2. it's at LEAST thirty, but the more you read,

the more the timeline gets pushed back. Sadly. The pace is really accelerated now, as I think the real global powers are just squeezing the last juice out of this once ripe tomato called the USA. Just look at what's been done to the natural resources of other countries. Our track record will be no different. They really don't care what happens to this "country" or its people. We are useful only as consumers, and once we can't buy any more..... they'll move on..... IMHO, of course.

[Greyhound]

3. If you take a longer view, they've been at it since the country began.

The Constitution didn't even have all the signatures on it when they started to dismantle it. Primarily for the same reason they have today, power to control other peoples actions and to forcibly extract profits from them or their work.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

4. They realize that they have raped the earth

and that the Mother is getting ready to collapse. They are getting out of it all that they can. If someone can tell me what to do to stop this, I'd really like to know.

[applegrove]

5. Around the time OPEC was created and took actions to manipulate

the market?

[stillcool]

6. It is hard to get my head wrapped around....

the learning curve has been far greater than I anticipated when the need to know first grabbed hold of me.....I keep thinking logic, and human behavior will out in the end...but so far no luck with the human part. The family's with the clout...their enormous generational wealth...the think-tanks and non-profits they fund with that wealth...all in order to preserve or increase their bottom-line astounds me....as does the lineage of these corporations...they're like snow-balls that have turned into juggernauts...
The Origins of the Overclass By Steve Kangas

Many common traits made it inevitable that the CIA and Corporate America would become allies. Both share an intense dislike of democracy, and feel they should be liberated from democratic regulations and oversight. Both share a culture of secrecy, either hiding their actions from the American public or lying about them to present the best public image. And both are in a perfect position to help each other.

How? International businesses give CIA agents cover, secret funding, top-quality resources and important contacts in foreign lands. In return, the CIA gives corporations billion-dollar federal contracts (for spy planes, satellites and other hi-tech spycraft). Businessmen also enjoy the romantic thrill of participating in spy operations. The CIA also gives businesses a certain amount of protection and privacy from the media and government watchdogs, under the guise of "national security." Finally, the CIA helps American corporations remain dominant in foreign markets, by overthrowing governments hostile to unregulated capitalism and installing puppet regimes whose policies favor American corporations at the expense of their people.

The CIA’s alliance with the elite turned out to be an unholy one. Each enabled the other to rise above the law. Indeed, a review of the CIA’s history is one of such crime and atrocity that no one can reasonably defend it, even in the name of anticommunism. Before reviewing this alliance in detail, it is useful to know the CIA’s history of atrocity first.

http://www.aliveness.com/kangaroo/L-overclass.html

[1monster]

7. No, the takeover of our country by the neo facist types began about

SIXTY years ago.

At the end of World War II, our government agencies (OSS which segued into the CIA, with compliance from military intelligence and the FBI) brought quite a few Nazi's into this country for various reasons. Many of the Nazi's were used to help in the Cold War against the Soviet Union and China.


Most famously, there was Wernher von Braun (1912-1977) who had the foresight to make plans to be on the winning side when it became obvious that Germany would not win the war. (He was just one of many, but perhaps the most famous one.)

As a means of furthering his desire to build large and capable rockets, in 1932 he went to work for the German army to develop ballistic missiles.(snip)

Von Braun is well known as the leader of what has been called the "rocket team," which developed the V-2 ballistic missile for the Nazis during World War II. The V-2s were manufactured at a forced labor factory called Mittelwerk. Scholars are still reassessing his role in these controversial activities.

The brainchild of von Braun's rocket team operating at a secret laboratory at Peenemünde on the Baltic coast, the V-2 rocket was the immediate antecedent of those used in space exploration programs in the United States and the Soviet Union. A liquid propellant missile extending some 46 feet in length and weighing 27,000 pounds, the V-2 flew at speeds in excess of 3,500 miles per hour and delivered a 2,200 pound warhead to a target 500 miles away. First flown in October 1942, it was employed against targets in Europe beginning in September 1944. By the beginning of 1945, it was obvious to von Braun that Germany would not achieve victory against the Allies, and he began planning for the postwar era. (snip)

For fifteen years after World War II, von Braun would work with the United States army in the development of ballistic missiles. As part of a military operation called Project Paperclip, he and his "rocket team" were scooped up from defeated Germany and sent to America where they were installed at Fort Bliss, Texas. There they worked on rockets for the United States army, launching them at White Sands Proving Ground, New Mexico. In 1950 von Braun's team moved to the Redstone Arsenal near Huntsville, Alabama, where they built the Army's Jupiter ballistic missile.

In 1960, his rocket development center transferred from the army to the newly established NASA and received a mandate to build the giant Saturn rockets. (snip)

http://history.nasa.gov/sputnik/braun.html

[peacetalksforall]

8. Were we permitted to pretend that we elected Presidents? Have our

votes ever counted? Were/are Kennedy, Carter, and Clinton in on it?

[blm]

9. Nixon went into China, but Poppy Bush made the deals w/ the industrialists

there shortly after. No coincidence that WalMart started their accelerated climb soonafter those sweetheart deals were made.