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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:38 PM
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Dear Gov Dean: ABOUT THE PRIMARIES
Dear Gov Dean: About the Primaries

Perhaps the most disturbing aspect in the treatment of Paul Hackett was the decision by party leaders to eliminate the participation of Ohio Democratic voters in the primary to select who will represent them. I believe that every viable Democratic candidate should have the ability to present their case to the voters and the voters should be able to decide who they wish to represent them. Without the use of the primaries, our party comes close to the Republican Party in it’s use of top-down decisions. Here is what Gary Hart has written on the subject:

Gary Hart: Pressuring Paul Hackett To Abandon Campaign is Old Politics at its Worst

Gary Hart Tue Feb 14, 10:50 AM ET

Based on news reports alone and knowing nothing (thank goodness) about behind-the-scenes politics, the pressure brought on Paul Hackett, the bold Iraqi veteran, to abandon his campaign for the U.S. Senate from Ohio is deplorable.


This is simply old politics at its worst. There is a party which hand-picks its candidates, decides who can and cannot run, directs money to the favorite candidate, and dictate terms. Up till now, that party has been the Republican party.

Now, it seems, my Democratic party is once again imitating the Republican party in a desperate effort to regain power. With the McGovern democratic reforms in the early 1970s, political bosses were diminished and grassroots voters were elevated. The theme was, Let the people decide.

Telling Paul Hackett that he cannot run for the Senate, and purportedly calling contributers to dry up his funds, is the worse kind of old politics. It will drive voters away from the supposedly "open" party, the Democrats, and further add to public cynicism about how politics in America is played in the early 21st century.

Shame on us.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20060214/cm_huffpost/015637

For most Americans our vote is the only way we have to voice our opinions toward change. Very few citizens have the finances to exert power though private meeting and influence peddling. What we all should have, however, is the ability to use our constitutional right to vote to reflect our will. I am afraid that this early elimination will severely erode the public’s ability to have their voices heard.

Gov Dean, you inspired many activists to get involved in the political process. I worked for your campaign in the summer of 2003 and although disappointed with the shortened primary outcome, worked equally hard to promote the Democratic ticket through the ‘04 election. My family gave what we could, and what we lacked in large donor contributions we made up for in time and dedication to getting out the vote. You inspired a progressive movement that has grown to become a prominent force in politics.

As a progressive, I value honesty and integrity in promoting our values. I was proud of the Kerry campaign that I participated in, within Franklin County, Ohio-the epicenter of the ‘04 campaign. I can honestly say that the democratics did NOT use the un-American tactics of suppression, character smears, intimidation and misinformation that was used by the other party. I felt comfortable that the Democratic Party reflected my values. I was proud to canvass and spread the enthusiasm that many of us felt both in my own neighborhood and other neighborhoods. I promised voters in the low income African American neighborhoods on the east side of Columbus, that this time our party would make sure every vote would count.

Since November 3rd 2004, I have begun to feel alienated from my party. I witnessed the blatant suppression of many voters that I had encouraged to get out to vote. This was not the first time their voices had been suppressed, but it was the first time I had promised them, as our party leaders promised all of us, that they would make sure their votes would be counted. I felt responsible for seeing that this travesty ended. I now work full time (unpaid) on election reform, to work toward change in our corrupt election system. Yet Democratic party officials have dismissed us as conspiracy theorists despite the mountain of evidence which resulted in John Conyers and the House Judiciary Democratic Staff’s report to the contrary. Even the GAO Report on Electronic Voting Machines has been vitually ignored by the party despite it’s scathing commentary of the integrity of our voting system.

Now we have this treatment of Paul Hackett. The issue is NOT who is the better candidate, but that the voters of Ohio were not allowed to choose themselves. It was the Democratic Party hierarchy who felt it necessary to make the decision without the voters will through a primary. Are we becoming a reflection of the Republican decision makers,like Gary Hart suggests? I truly hope not, because it will cause defection from those of us who wish to participate.

Gov Dean, It has been the progressive movement that took over the role of the former watchdog press. Where the main stream media(MSM) has fallen negligent in asking the tough questions and investigating difficult issues, we progressives have filled in the gap. It was us who investigated the ‘04 election when the MSM refused to do so (I was the activist who gave your aide information on the Lucas County Election during a recent press release at the Ohio Statehouse). It was progressives who worked to get Downing Street Memos out to the public. We have made our voices heard not through big donations, but through campaigns of networking, organizing calls to elected officials, letter-to the editors, blogging and petition drives. I hope you will encourage party leaders not to stifle our voices through the elimination of our primaries. The primaries serve an important role in the discussion of party issues, and bring together the many factions of the Democratic Party in participating in the process.

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:41 PM
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1. They win elections with that strategy, don't they?
:shrug:
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:52 PM
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9. Both houses of Congress
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:58 PM
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19. And since I have no problems with Brown's voting record...
I don't see that this is a huge problem.

Was it handled in the best way possible? No.

Is it good strategy? $#&* YES!
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:41 PM
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2. I think Dean agrees with you that a primary should have been held
I'm surprised though that Hackett decided to withdrawl instead of fight.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:42 PM
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3. Dean: "You have to run twice"
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:48 PM
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7. Paul Hackett did run twice for the 02 District Congress race (where he
very well in a heavy Republican district and then for this senate seat. That said, this is not the issue. The issue is that it should be the democratic voters who decide w/o party interference through a primary.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:51 PM
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8. That is exactly what my post says.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:55 PM
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15. I was responding to Will's post on running twice.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:56 PM
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17. He was linking to my post.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:45 PM
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4. It would almost be perfect except one innaccuracy....
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 01:46 PM by LynneSin
It was not the decisions of the party leaders for Paul to quit - it was Paul's. The DSCC has every right to spend their money the way they want especially if one candidate is polling/raising funds much better than another candidate which was the case in Ohio. When the latest numbers came out Reid & Schumer went with Brown but Emmanuel really wants this guy on the ticket for OH-02.

However, despite this there is no democratic party official that can force a candidate out of a race. Hackett made that decision himself because he did not get what he wanted. Other states have darkhorse candidates and they're fighting for the long haul. Maybe Paul should look to see what those candidates are doing to make their campaigns work.

Ohio was never given a choice - Paul Hackett took that choice away from them when he quit
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:52 PM
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11. Just like it was the decision of Cegelis and Morrison...and others?
?

Having to fight to run.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:58 PM
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18. You know how we're going to change party leadership
by having strong candidates will to put up the fight, clearly Hackett is not the man for the job. I don't even think Dean is as upset as we portray him to be. I think Dean made a gracious statement to cover his ass on both sides of the argument but even he would have the agree with the smart decision by the DSCC.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:04 PM
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22. Not actually. I don't think so.
This is not about Hackett or any other personality. Let the people decide it. Don't get them out of the race.

I think you are wrong on this. Even Jim Dean weighed in angrily. DFA works closely with Hackett.

Not about personalities...about who decides.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:20 PM
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30. If the people are to decide then Paul shouldn't have quit
He was the one that made the decision that he couldn't deal with it anymore. Take the blinders off and realize this person that DUers think is 'flawless' has flaws like everyone else.


So you're right - it is about who decides and the decision was made for us - by Paul Hackett.

I find it odd that the DFA was for Hackett and the PDA was for Brown. I thought these two groups to be very similiar. And if the DFA was for Hackett that much then they should have been fighting to keep Paul on the ticket. THey could have helped raise the money Paul needed to win that race.

Everyday, all of us are forced to make difficult decisions and sometimes we have pressures to do one thing even if in our hearts we feel the other is best. Paul faced those crossroads and took the easy way out. Why should I be angry at Dem Leadership for someone who wouldn't even try
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:25 PM
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33. DFA did not endorse anyone in this race.
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 02:29 PM by madfloridian
Hackett was one of our candidates in his previous run for House.

DFA did not endorse Cegelis this time either. They have practiced hands off until the Rodriguez and Cuellar thing. However when Cuellar sat with the Republicans and let Bush embrace his face...they are now supporting Rodriguez.

I love the way Hacket is being blasted for dropping out after getting calls to drop out from the leaders.

To edit: local DFAs may be working with Hackett, but he was not endorsed by the national group in this race....not because he is not appreciated but going on the principal to let primaries play out.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:53 PM
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13. It's about party influence before the primaries. the ODP was going to
endorse Brown prior to the primary. My point is that leadership should not show favoritism toward candidates prior to the primary.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:02 PM
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21. So they should just spread the money out thin for every candidate
running for office regardless of their ability to actually win?

I'm not trying to disregard who Paul Hackett is but the DSCC isn't an infinite pit of money. THey need to make business decisions just like you and I do. One of the biggest decisions is how much of their money are they going to have to spend on the candidate. If Brown was able to raise money on his own then he's a better investment for the DSCC.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:11 PM
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24. As an Ohioan, I am aware of the demographics of the state. Brown is seen
as a northern liberal. Hackett proved in a staunch Republic southern Ohio district (went 70% for *)that he could draw Republican votes away. Also remember that Ohio was the epicienter in the '04 election. Many people were fatigued of hearing polished rhetoric from politicians. I think Hackett appealed to them by speaking before polling. We also have the Blackwell factor, which means we need a landslide to overcome Blackwell's ability to control (thru suppression, ie HB3; acceptance of provisional and "soiled" ballots etc.) I don't believe Brown will attract cross over votes. I truly believed Hackett was our best chance.

As far as the polls...I thought Kerry won, I thought the Reform Ohio Now initiatives won. I have no use for polls.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:12 PM
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25. Ohio also has diebold so it's all a moot point
:shrug:
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:17 PM
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28. Not necessarily Diebold, Franklin county and others have ES+S, but your
point is well taken. It's called here the Blackwell factor and since our party has not addressed the Fraud, and GAO Report we needed an overwhelming win to overcome this factor. Brown will not draw cross-over votes. Hackett proved he could.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:26 PM
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34. WRONG
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 02:27 PM by LynneSin
You know, I've been through this before in Pennsylvania. Everyone wanted Bob Casey to be the democratic nominee for governor back in 2002 and even had the support from the DGA. Ed Rendell was considered too liberal and too big city to win statewide (he's the ex-mayor of Philadelphia) and thought he was nothing more than a distraction for the ultimate crowning of Bob Casey Jr. as heir apparent to the governorship (his dad was also a governor).

So I'm damn glad you don't live in PA because your mentality would have been to take the lesser candidate and not even see what the big-city guy could do.

Ed Rendell made it a point to get to every county in the state (all 67) several times during the election. You know why my parents, small town folks living in rural PA voted for Ed Rendell? Because they were at a tiny little county fair in the middle of nowhere in Pennsylvania and Ed Rendell showed for campaigning. They were impressed.

It's only in your very closed mind about this "Big City/Small Town" divide that thinks that Brown can't win and only Hackett can. And for that I'm extremely sad because THIS is the problem with our democratic party.

Sherrod Brown needs to do two things to win and he only needs to look at Ed REndell for a strategy. Build enough excitement in your large urban areas to ensure major voter turnout and then make it a point to get to every county and make your presense known so that even though you might not win that area, the margin of difference is small enough to be overcompenstated by the big city.

I'm ashamed for that pissy attitude and as someone who has lived in large cities thanks for making me feel like I'm somehow unimportant to the party. I expected better from DUers
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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:30 PM
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35. Wait
Your not pissed that Casey is being forced by the same people who ran Hackett out of the PA race?

I'm a PA resident, I'm voting for Chuck in the primaries.

But i've seen you again and again bash Hackett through out the day?

I don't understand how you can sit there and piss about Casey, when the same hands stand behind him pushing him forward, that dragged Hackett out of the race?
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:34 PM
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37. Has Chuck quit yet?
If anything, I'm more impressed by Chuck because of all of this.

It's not the DSCC/DCCC/DNC that I'm against

I don't like quitters.

And the only reason I want Casey as senator is because I don't want Casey as governor. Senate is already screwed up so might as well send him there. But if I lived in PA (I'm from DE but born and lived most of my life in DE) right about now I'm ready to support Chuck. He has gumption and that's what I support!
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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:39 PM
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39. Well then if he has gumption
you won't mind if we believed the same about Hackett, and we also believe in primaries and allowing people to make choices. Not be forced down our throats, has you suggested was happening when they ran against one another.

I like Rendell btw.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:45 PM
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40. Did Paul quit
Yeppers - he has no gumption. Chuck is finding a way and Paul quit because he didn't get his way.

If you can't stand-up to Dem leadership it only gets worse in Washington DC when the republicans are at you too.

If you want to complain about a lack of primaries I suggest you send a letter to Paul asking you why he got you all to believe in him and then turned around and quit. See, that's what politics is for me. Some rising star who fights the hard battle and convinces you that he/she is the one - something new, something different, something to believe in if you just give them a chance. I fell for it too when he almost defeated Schmidt in that special race. Hell I donated twice and I very rarely donate to elections outside of the regular campaign cycle.

So for me, here's a guy who is telling me "I'm the outsider who is going to go to DC and fight the Goliaths just for the little people". Then he found a couple of Goliaths, people who saw that he wasn't pulling the numbers or raising the funds. What did our 'David' do? He quit.

So if you want to be following these quitters into battle then have a field day. There are dozens of other 'Paul Hacketts' out there fighting that uphill battle who won't be pushed away. Do yourself a favor, stop wasting your time on the quitter and find one of those candidates and help them win their race instead.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:38 PM
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38. You have some serious flaming issues. I happen to understand the
demographics of southern Ohio which is why I commented on the northern liberal view of Brown. I have lived in Cincinnati which as many who know the area will attest is more southern than midwestern in it's mindset. I also lived for years in rural areas. Perhaps our situation in Ohio differs than your in Penn. I made no comments on your state or on who is/isn't important to the party. I think you are either reading between the lines or having a bad day.

Peace.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 06:39 PM
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44. We have some very serious issues with the blind leading the blind
And I stand by my comment about big-city/small-town.

I'm offended that people think so little and are so discriminate where people live and you for some bizarre reason think Ohio is so much more special and unique that no other state out there has such strange political landscapes. Obviously you've never followed much in PA politics to know that the "T" isn't like the Mid-West US but more like Southern 1940 Alabama in some areas.

Wake up and smell the coffee. Paul totally FUCKED UP!!! He made himself to be something that he wasn't and that was 'change' and when those dem leaders wanted to find an option where he could fit, Paul instead shot himself in the foot.

And I take offense at your blatent attitude of 'You must be having a bad day or reading between the lines' crap. Here's the scoop - you were screwed and everyone else that blindly followed 1-issue Paul were screwed by him and unable to get a clue that Paul was a spoilt sport quitting when he didn't get his way instead blame everyone else but him. Personally there are two sides to every story and from what I gather with some DUers is that they've only seen one side and just assume the rest. Cause guess what - I believed in Paul. I was here posting about how Paul should run and I thought Paul was the type of person who would bring change to DC. I wrote him letters to encourage him to run. So you know what, he screwed over alot of people. But if democratic Ohioans are smart they'll start working to support winning a state that isn't going to lose to the republicans because of the diverse political landscape. That's just a lameass excuse for saying "Diebold/Blackwell fucked up my state and I can't be bother to fight back"

Read about Pennsylvania politics and maybe you'll be inspired to know that it can be done.

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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 06:40 PM
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45. Yeah yeah yeah
that's your way of saying 'I can't be bothered'

Maybe that's why Pennsylvania at least gets democrats elected - because we don't have defeatests saying it can't be done
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:46 PM
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5. The decision was Hackett's
eom
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:47 PM
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6. Right under his nose.
And right under his nose

Democratic Chairman Howard Dean on Iraq war vet Paul Hackett being pushed out of the Ohio Senate race: “I think there was some skullduggery in Washington that was going on, which I don’t approve of. And I frankly think that’s a shortcoming of the Democratic Party.”


http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/politics/13882940.htm

He also said it would not have hurt to have the primary.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:53 PM
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14. He would know
given his own positive experiences with primaries.

*ducking*
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:01 PM
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20. Dean was certainly set up with that "yell" episode. More external
influence interfering with the will of the voters.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:52 PM
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10. Let's see, we will spend millions on a primary to while the opposition
sits back and with with a huge bank roll waiting to take on the already battle BEATEN winner of the Democratic primary.

Hackett was behind in the polls, Let me say that a little louder BEHIND IN THE POLLS!

No experience vs a well seasoned candidate?????? let me see?????? I think I will cry about this some more.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:52 PM
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12. Not really, he wasn't.
He really was not behind. The poll is still up at the Plain Dealer.
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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:05 PM
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23. Can I call Bullshit?
http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/2/14/193851/113

I wish people would get the whole truth vs what they want to hear.


here is another one

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-flash05a.html?project=elections06-ft&h=495&w=778&hasAd=1&mod=blogs


While the initial head to head in that memo showed Brown with a 46 percent to 24 percent edge over Hackett, Blumenthal wrote that when a paragraph of only positive information about both men was read to voters, Hackett held a 43 percent to 41 percent edge. Among those who identified themselves as Democrats, Brown led 44 percent to 42 percent after voters heard positive information about both candidates. Among those who identified as themselves independent or other (Ohio has an open primary where independents can vote), Hackett held a 50 percent to 31 percent margin. The full text of each positive description is included in the memo and I'm posting that text at the end of this post


Did you notice among independents and "others" Hackett leads 50 to 31 percent over Brown

I think we just lost Ohio and no one wants to admit it.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:14 PM
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26. this is exactly correct. Hackett could appeal to Republican voters who
are fed up with our (Ohio) economy as well as the GOP culture of corruption (Noe, Taft).
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back2basics909 Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:19 PM
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29. Nobody..
.. spends millions on primaries.

The money spent is raising the profile of the candidate amongst Dems. It's money well spent, it introduces people to their thoughts and values and is a great way of starting the campaign. It's not like after the primaries everybody forgets the hype they created during the primaries. If done correctly they can energies the base. If done ethically (i.e. don't attack each other) you have two groups of grassroots who usually then unite to back the winner.

And lets face it, the Democratic establishment do not have a very good record at picking winners do they?

This is an issue of choice and Democracy. Subverting primaries is just plain wrong.

The ends do not justify the means. We do not force people out just to win. That’s a Republican way of doing things.
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back2basics909 Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:22 PM
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32. Also..
.. what has happend in OH and in IL-06 is by trying to pick candidates that the grassroots do not want they piss off the door to door people. It's just not good politics.

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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:55 PM
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16. Wow... I hadn't seen Gary Hart's comments.
Thank you for this thread, mod mom.

:hug:
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:16 PM
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27. Gary Hart is the dumb ass who challenged the press to follow him
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 02:16 PM by Freddie Stubbs
"Follow me around. I don't care. I'm serious. If anybody wants to put a tail on me, go ahead. They'll be very bored."

He may grasp complex policy issues, but he has some very poor political judgment.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:20 PM
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31. Many a great leader, including Clinton, JFK, MLK, have sccombed to poor
judgement when it came to their desires.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:31 PM
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36. It's one thing to fool around;
but it takes a great deal of foolishness to challenge the press to follow you around.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:12 PM
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41. K&R.
Peace.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:23 PM
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42. You are aware that Dean said it was NOT the DNC doing this.
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 03:26 PM by madfloridian
If you are not, I can find the blog post he made at the DNC. He made other statements as well.

Just wanted to be sure you knew he spoke out against this.

And this is what he trying to change by rebuilding the party from the precinct up. Yet so many progressives are saying they are leaving the party, that I wonder if he will ever get his dream of 20 million dollars a month made up from a million Democrats giving 20 dollars a month.

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43. I know he did and I wanted to put in my 2 cents so he would realize how
important this is to our process. Thanks.
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