too bad there's actually NO way to remove a corrupt, treasonous government

[mopaul]

our stupid founding fathers should have made some sort of provisions for that, that couldn't be altered by any future tyrants, the dumbasses.

now look at us, all these years later, a gang of corrupt tyrants has hijacked our nation and we are utterly powerless to do anything about it. curse the founding fathers, i hope they are burning in hell for their lack of vision.

[bigtree]

1. Congress . . . if they only had a heart, a brain,

the nerve.

[CatholicEdHead]

3. Yep, it is there in theory, not pratice now

[indepat]

5. Congress, if only they would uphold the Constitution, place their loyalty

in this Republic rather than the man, their partisanship and their extreme ideology.

[ktlyon]

18. We have lost our checks and balances

Political party loyalty has replaced institutional loyalty, the congress most be the check on executive powers. Political parties were not included by our founding fathers. When a Pres goes badly wrong patriotic Americans need to step forward even if the Pres is a member of their own party. They must do the right thing, the crimes are starting to stack up and someone needs to speak up.

[mopaul]

23. they've made the law irrelevant, they are now actually above the law

remember how they swore for 8 years how no one was above the law, not even the president? i do, and so do a lot of others.

[unblock]

2. but let's commend their forsight, they did give us a way to punish bj's.

thank goodness for that!

:sarcasm:

[LizW]

9. LOL!

:rofl:

[sam sarrha]

4. the French really knew how to throw a revolution that didn't have to deal

the corruption coming back.. but that is politically incorrect today

[mopaul]

7. it could come to that again

i'm sure no royals or fops ever imagined the guillotine and the people rising up.

[sam sarrha]

12. is that why Bu$h purged and realigned the Pentagon generals.???

[0007]

6. The French certainly went after King Louie XVI

He was sentenced to death by a vote of 361 to 288, with 72 calling for a delay. He was guillotined on Jan. 21, 1793, facing death with courage.

[aquart]

14. eh. I'm the only one here who's really for the guillotine.

But Old Sparky would also be fine.

Or Mr. Pointy.

[SushiFan]

17. I'd favor the guillotine if it were legal too

But it isn't, However, IMPEACHMENT, FORCED RESIGNATION, and a huge popular outcry encompassing picketing the WH, sick-ins from work, stop paying taxes, protests everywhere, censure and an entire host of things are available for concerned citizens to legally and morally get rid of the GWB-induced corruption.

These methods do, however, require a lot of effort and passion. Do most Dems who piss and moan about the GWBullshit have what it takes to remove him from office legally?? I doubt it, I see lots of Dem apathy and lethargy here at DU and other sites I peruse from time to time.

Thus, I say, we Dems are slaves of our own making. We're not strong enough to break the GOP bonds which hold us because of our willing complacency. We as a Dem Party deserve the crap dealt to us since we allow the GOP abuse and we won't be more activist about this.

[ktlyon]

20. I personally would favor a firing squad for treason

and High Crimes

[0007]

27. I'd love to see junior face the guillotine for his war crimes, and lies

I don't think King Louie was smirking when that blade came whistling down.

IN fact I think King Louie looks a lot like Karl Rove.

[Walt Starr]

8. Sure there is

Read what Thomas Jefferson has to say about such a situation.

[undeterred]

10. I hope you're being ironic

There IS a way, though the path is laden with obstacles. We have many forms of power, we just have to implement them.

[dusmcj]

11. it's called the second amendment

use with care. Don't publish your plans on DU.

(To all sniffers: this post of mine is spoken in the parody mode and does not signal any plans on my part or anyone else's that I know of to behave illegally. Have a monkey-spankin day.)

Before heading off that precipice, however, you might consider fostering participation in civic affairs among your fellow citizens. Democracy only works when the people participate...

[sam sarrha]

13. a comment on history doesn't constitute a plan.. that's the first amendment

[mopaul]

25. rules from 250 yrs. ago could be revised a bit maybe

god knows the republicans have revised them. sort of like looking to a 3 or 4 thousand year old book to settle modern day disputes.

if the constitution can't save us, and it looks like it can't, then we should disregard it, like they have.

[billbuckhead]

26. That's why the fascists promote the 2nd amendment like crazy

[Karenina]

28. And the *divine right of kings...

[dusmcj]

33. emm, historically, public right to bear arms was opposed by fascists &co

the second amendment was written into the Constitution because, among other reasons, the right of the public to keep and bear arms was a novel idea in the late 1700s, and had been repeatedly granted and then denied by the English monarchy over the previous few centuries.

Recall as the next poster notes that this was the time of absolute monarchs and the divine right of kings, where corruption was legitimized by having the secular ruler proclaim that Gawd almighty had said he was an OK guy. As Mel Brooks says "it's good to be da King". Specifically, it was the end of the time of absolute monarchs and the divine right of certain of your fellow citizens (we won't squabble about whether they were your betters or inferiors), to be replaced by the refreshing notion that all men are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, among them life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Now, wasn't that a refreshing change ? The public's ability to have the physical means to deny the self-appointed ruling class and their lackeys the power to control the public's lives was a fundamental prerequisite for this change, and the Founders, following the philosophical work of Locke and others, wrote the self-destruct mechanism into the core of the government structure they created. Smart guys they were...

We also note that one of Hitler's first acts was to prohibit personal firearms ownership in Germany. Of course, since most everyone was part of some healthy goose-stepping organization involving marching, killing people or going for hikes, and so had access to organized group activities involving armaments, Germany's gun nuts still got their fix. But they no longer had the ability to defend themselves when the Gestapo knocked on the door at 2am and shipped them off to a camp (or shot them on the front step). Too late, oopsie.

So, I suggest that there is a flaw to your theme, in that while the lackeys of the usual suspects may be adulating the 2nd amendment, perhaps because they believe that this will keep gun owners voting for them, the question of both the personal right to bear arms, responsibly, legally, as a citizen, and also the place for martial skills in any society, including ours, is far more important, and far older, than the pissant mewlings of the turdburglars we occupy ourselves with here. If the right to bear arms as a responsible citizen is a right in this country, then it applies to all, so that you should not conflate political posturing and pandering by those we have come to expect it from with the inherent virtue or lack thereof of what they attempt to soil by proclaiming that they are its pimp. (Despite the vigorous assertions of the usual suspects, not everything has its price.) I.e., take the Republicans and partisanship out of the gun equation, consider the history behind the question, and don't let the likes of Charleton Heston and Tom Delay confuse you.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. Yes there is, called impeachment

what the founding fathers did not thing about was the rise of factions, the way they called parties. They also did not take into account, since they fought against this, that Americans would be stupid enough to surrender their liberties just nilly willy. If this was 1776 with th current US population all King George would have to do to keep the revolution from happening is another season of American Idol.

Also remember the truth they don't teach in school about the Revolution.

1.- It was an elite led war.

2.- It was a civil war were two thirds were involved, the loyalists and the rebels, the last third did its best to keep out

3.- It was a very bloody war

4.- It replaced one elite (Colonial Administrators) in many respects for a new elite in government, for the vote was limited to land owners, white land owners.

Of course there is always the old phrase, "When in the course of human events..."

[Jim Sagle]

16. I'm sure you'd have done a better job.

:sarcasm:

[Cleita]

19. Actually, they did, but it's being ignored by the people who

who should be acting on it.

The Constitution states that a President who can no longer discharge his duties should be removed from office. Dumbya hasn't been able to discharge his duties since the day he took the oath of office in 2001.

Then there is that treason thing that's an impeachable offense, not to mention the war crimes and domestic crimes against Americans. He could be removed from office for any one of these offenses, yet there he sits.

[mopaul]

21. yet there he sits

i've been saying that since the day he was appointed. history will not compliment us too kindly for the fact that we allowed him to remain in office through it all.

[zippy890]

22. Hmmm, you appear unfortunately to be correct

in that there are no proceedings currently underway in our national bicameral system to investigate this treasonous criminal gang in the white house.

Quite seriously disturbing in the extreme, for it lends credence to the notion that our system may just possibly be fatally flawed. Where are the famous 'Checks and Balances' that are supposed to deal with these problems?

I see no 'Checks' of anything, except One (1) white house aide indicted for perjury.

'Balances' anyone? Our Supreme Judicial Court, a soon-to- be- rearranged body of justices will vote on excesses of executive power - I'll not wager that their decision will be ones that will save our country.

I fear that our Republic is no such thing anymore, and I would suggest it just may be time to prepare the way

for a new one.

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

24. Actually, there IS a way

It's called Civil War.

It's discussed quite thoroughly in the Declaration Of Independence.

It worked once, perhaps it's time to think about it a second time.

[stevietheman]

30. Yeah, or maybe some kind of mass-mob lynching...

At any rate, I do fear matters will become quite revolutionary this year if Bush doesn't leave office. It's clear to most he has gone way too far and just simply must leave our White House.

[stevietheman]

29. We need a "national initiative of no confidence" amendment...

to the U.S. Constitution.

When the Congress won't do its duty and impeach/remove the President, the people themselves ought to have the ability to remove the President by special initiative.

[zippy890]

31. yes - a 'no confidence' vote - at a minimum

We the People must have a way to redress our grievances, or I fear all is lost for our Republic

[earth mom]

32. The difference is that our founding fathers weren't sociopaths! nt