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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 08:51 PM
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For the love of God, her life WAS political
Egads.

Any long-term fight for civil rights, workers rights and peace is going to INVOLVE POLITICS. It is, in point of fact, going to be ALL ABOUT politics.

What, were they going to spend the day discussing her favorite songs? Her favorite color?

Her life was about politics - the politics of freedom and the politics of equality - as was her husband's life.

This whole thing is just so much stinking bullshit.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 08:53 PM
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1. sure, but you know they were going to kvetch about it.
Me, I was watching it with some of our kids, jumping up and down. :)
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 08:54 PM
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2. Bush was SITTING THERE because of politics, wasn't he? He certainly wasn't
there out of support for the woman's lifework.

He was there LAUGHING to himself that he has put in place the means to DISMANTLE all the advances made through the work of the Kings, Carter and Clinton.
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 02:43 AM
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98. I think you mean "he was SLOUCHING THERE"
So embarrassing.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 08:54 PM
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3. AMEN, Brother Will! How right you are ...
It worked with Wellstone, though, and they're going to try and do it again. All we can do is keep countering as you say.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 08:56 PM
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4. Though her life was about politics,
her funeral should not have been. It should have been about celebrating her life and accomplishments, not demeaning Bush for his failures and foolishness.

There were greiving relatives who were there to honor her memory not dishonor the chimp.

A funeral is not the place for partisan pot-shots.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 08:59 PM
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11. Sorry but I totally disagree.
Celebrating Coretta Scott King's life and accomplishments means speaking out about what is wrong. Just as she did.

And it's none of our business what her friends and relatives choose to say at her funeral anyway. We weren't asked because it's not our business.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:06 PM
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17. Speaking out against injustice is right. But a funeral is not a forum.
A funeral is for the loved ones to have one last chance to say goodbye, not for people to have a chance at sliming somebody they don't like.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:07 PM
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20. I disagree on all points.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:08 PM
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21. You sound like a Catholic. Funerals mean diff. things to diff. people
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:13 PM
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27. Actually, I generally don't like religion. However,
I still believe in respect, which I believe was lacking at the funeral.
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desi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:18 PM
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32. Respect..??
For a warmonger at the funeral of a PEACE activist. He should have respected the King Legacy and stayed away.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:27 PM
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46. Respect according to whom?
Her FAMILY AND FRIENDS thought the speakers were very respectful and their speeches right on point otherwise they would not have given them STANDING OVATIONS.

It is beyond appalling, imo, when anyone tries to foist THEIR version of respect on others based on nothing of substance.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:24 PM
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43. My family is Catholic
The only part of our family grieving tradition that is austere is the actual mass because that's just mass. The viewing in the days before and the gathering after run the gamut of emotions where anything might be said. And nobody EVER better come to my funeral and not take a shot at Bush or the current BFEE and expect me to rest in peace.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:45 PM
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66. On the Mark IMO
New Orleanians often celebrate a Jazz Funeral. In addition, we all heard of the traditional Irish Wake.

Both of the above ceremonies would freak the sensibilities of my WASP ancestors ... but IMO it's the Family's call as to what is appropriate. Personally, I think that they did their mother proud. ;)



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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:11 PM
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72. I have made it very clear to my family - I want an over the top
Irish wake. I want stories told and much laughter and commradery. If someone doesn't puke in my casket, they didn't do it right, imho!

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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:15 PM
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74. rofl
:rofl:
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:18 PM
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78. Welcome to DU!
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:15 PM
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75. Ok. then at your funeral we won't... however...
I thought it was outstanding and heartfelt and moving and a fine celebration of her life.

I didn't see any looks of disagreement on her children's faces. The funeral was for them, not for you.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 02:42 AM
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97. I agree with you Dark
If anyone wanted to take shots at anyone they should have called a press conference for after the funeral at a separate location.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 08:00 AM
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107. mlk was wiretapped... no wmd in iraq while poverty rules aa usa
Bush didn't take offense...why should you...
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 04:54 AM
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103. Excuse me
but Lowery made the same point about Weapons of mass distruction versus weapons of mass distraction at Rosa Parks funeral. There were no weapons of mass destruction - is there a problem pointing that out or you cannot state facts in front of liars.

Secondly the King family were the victims of illegal wiretaping. Why would any sane person not mention that at a time when other citizens feel threatened by the same illegality.

It was a political funeral. The comments were perfectly appropriate. Ironically most of those who object were against the civil rights movement and remain silent as rights and social programs vanish. I don't give a flying fugg who is upset.
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dannofoot Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:49 PM
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68. I'm sorry, I didn't realize that...
....Hillary was a "friend" of hers. DO tell of all the time they spent together.

Okay, to be fair...I have no idea why Hillary spoke. None. After watching her speak, I still had no further clue as to why she spoke. Perhaps a member of the King family invited her to speak.

Why, I wouldn't know. She sure isn't the speaker her husband, or anyone else who was there, is. That same intonation she uses for every engagement...

Can't someone offer her speech coaching?
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:14 PM
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73. You seem to have forgotten Hillary was First Lady and did, indeed,
know Mrs. King personally as did Bill Clinton. Why would she not speak?
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dannofoot Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 11:07 PM
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85. So Hillary knew her...
...Like I said, I kinda doubt they were close. I'm sure there were far more people closer to Mrs. King who could've given a better eulogy.

Second, so Hillary was First Lady...that gives her dibs on speaking at funerals? Hell, Pickles could've muttered something, about...y'know, literacy...or her great work with gangs...

And again, I think I can say with little argument: What did Hillary add? She so absolutely pales next to the Big Dog as a speaker; an orator she ain't, and her lack of pleasing vocal timbre only becomes more evident when she has to speak on a dais with him, Angelou, Lowery, etc.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 11:33 PM
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88. Ummm, just because you doubt doesn't make it so
Edited on Tue Feb-07-06 11:36 PM by Spazito
whether you liked her speech or not is moot. The simple fact is she did know Mrs. King and it was perfectly appropriate for her to be there.

Edited to add: Please take note of the post by SharonAnne regarding Mrs. Clinton's relationship with Mrs. King. It should put your 'concerns' to rest.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 11:18 PM
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87. Also, she was very involved with Marion Wright Edelman and
the Children's Defense Fund and worked with Mrs King on several other projects.

This was even before she was First Lady.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 11:35 PM
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89. Thanks for this info, I was unaware of her work with Mrs. King
This makes it even more appropriate that she be there and speak, imo.
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dannofoot Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 11:56 PM
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92. Can you please provide more info?
I mean, I've just been searching for any proof of Hillary "working," as you wrote, with Mrs. King on any projects. Yes, Hillary knew Marion Wright Edelman; all three worked for the Children's Defense Fund...but just because Howard Dean and I both worked for John Kerry in 2004 doesn't exactly mean we worked "together."
In fact, In Hillary's press release regarding Mrs. King, she writes:

""We are deeply saddened to learn of the passing of Coretta Scott King. She will be remembered for her compassion and philanthropy, but most of all, for her unselfish contributions to both the civil rights movement and our American society. To her children we wish to express not only our sympathy, but our great admiration for a woman who did so much to carry on her husband’s powerful legacy. She was truly a giant in the fight for equal rights for all Americans, and we were both inspired by her.

"After Martin Luther King’s untimely death, Coretta bravely kept alive her husband’s vision of equality and justice for all Americans. She lived her life by example, embracing the virtues she and her late husband extolled. To ensure that their message of justice, equality and peace through nonviolence endured, Coretta founded the Martin Luther King Jr. Center for Nonviolent Social Change in 1968. As she often said, “The center enables us to go out and struggle against the evils in our society.”

"As we all mourn Coretta’s passing, we must also pause to express our deepest gratitude for her unwavering commitment to the civil rights movement. The march towards racial and social equality in this country existed in large part because of her sacrifices, and its continuation is the greatest testament to her legacy."

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Frankly...you'd think if she had worked with her, she would have mentioned it...did I miss something in her eulogy (granted, I well may have)?
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frankly_fedup2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 11:40 PM
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90. Hillary Clinton had every right to be there. As a former first lady,
as a Senator that was invited, as well as a friend who was invited to speak. Bush was only there because it would have looked bad for him not to be. Also, Hillary is the most admired female in this nation since Bush has been in office. Usually, the first lady at the time receives that honor. I do not think Laura Bush has done anything to be admired for.

Also, their are real tears of compassion and then the kind Bush had . . . crocodile tears.

I love the fact that he had to sit there and listen to speaker after speaker make him such a small, simple-minded man. He couldn't get up and leave. He had to sit there and applaud those that criticized him as well as his policies.

I remember the Wellstone Funeral and after the eulogizing of Paul, his wife, and their only daughter, their two only living sons turned that service into a political. They said that is the ONLY way their father would have wanted it.

The next day, Limpballs starts his program with, "ah shucks folks, I've never seen such disrespect, ummmmmmmm, really speechless after watching last night." That is not a verbatim quote; however, similar to the way he kept going on and on about the Wellstone service. Then Hannity followed limpball's lead, then all the conservative talking heads did the same thing.

Now tomorrow, I want these so-called compassionate conservatives to sit and criticize ANYTHING about Mrs. King's service. It was mostly the Black communities leaders that really spoke out against Bush and said they no Mrs. King had fought against violence her whole life. If they do that, I think that may be the last straw for the majority of the country.

Also, Michelle Malkin's website is encouraging conservative bloggers to post all of the pictures that have caused this major uprising with the Muslim Community. They are calling it a "Blog Bursting." Now Bush and Cheney came out against the cartoons as well as the violence. However, Malkin and the conservative bloggers are egging it on because they are "our enemy." I thought Al Quada and Bin Laden's terrorists were our enemy. I didn't know we were against all Muslims. I mean hasn't Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfield all said the Muslim people are good people? We are at war with the extremists of that religion, not all 1 billion, right?
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:07 PM
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19. Four presidents, numerous other speakers, a full choir and that's
not a celebration? A few quotes from many speeches does not a solid argument make. The grieveing relatives wasted no time clapping, hooting and standing ovation. Quit being so prickly.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:10 PM
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23. LOL! Celebrating her life and accomplishments requires political
commentary. No one there dishonored the chimp. He's already done that for himself.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:21 PM
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They talked about the Iraq war!
WTF? That discourse does not belong at a funeral. Period.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:23 PM
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39. Funerals happen every day because of that war, she was a pacifist.
Discussing the war was a testimony to how she lived her life.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:29 PM
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52. How is talking about the Iraq war a testimony to a civil rights heroine?nt
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:30 PM
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55. She was also an anti-war heroine. nt
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:24 PM
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41. It may not belong at YOUR funeral, but...
it would certainly belong at mine. So no, it would not be correct to say that discourse does not belong at a funeral. Period.

Given her views, I suspect she approved of it at hers as well. Wish we could ask her.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:29 PM
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50. She protested the war
They should just skip that little detail because it might offend somebody???
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:30 PM
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53. There is nothing wrong with talking about her involvement
in protesting the Iraq war. But simply protesting the war at her funeral is wrong.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:13 PM
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26. Completely agree!
The funeral was about her and shouldn't have been an opportunity to take cheap shots. It was a disgrace and cheapened what was supposed to be a celebration of her life.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:00 PM
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70. The truth is never cheap and there's no more 'proper' place to speak
it than in a Church ~ and at the funeral of a woman who dedicated her life to peace, whose own husband was assassinated by the same forces of evil who were represented at that funeral today.

It was an amazing moment when the truth, which our media will not tell, but will tonight trash those who will, was told.

This president does not mix with the people. Any opportunity that presents itself where he gets to hear the truth about how people feel about his draconian policies that have caused more funerals, both here and in Iraq, from Katrina, from Iraq, from Afghanistan, including torture chambers, Guantanamo Bay, planned detention centers, cruel budgets etc. than should ever have been tolerated.

We should hold back and be Politically Correct now? When should Bush hear the truth? And how?

I think Martin Luther King himself would have done so had he been the preacher today. He always spoke the truth to those in power.

The funeral WAS about her, so why is everyone else offering their opinion on it? What right does Paula Zahn, or Chris Matthews have to disrespect her right to have the funeral her loved ones planed for her? You have no problem with that?

I think they should mind their own business and start talking about the issues themselves, and then maybe there would be no need for a pastor at a funeral to do their job for them. What despicable people they all are. They deserve zero respect.

Imo, they were way too respected at the funeral today .....

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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 02:12 AM
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94. Agree to disagree...
I don't think this was the venue with which to take political shots at someone few people like, but I understand those who see it differently.

I've been thinking about this since I read the varied comments. It occured to me that perhaps Mrs. King or her children...perhaps both...agreed that political opinion would be welcome especially if they echoed those of Mrs. King. But I doubt opinions dissenting from the majority at the funeral would have been welcome.

I agree they deserve no respect for the havoc and destruction they've caused, but I just don't think the funeral was the proper place. The political cheap shots took attention away from a great woman's who life was supposed to be celebrated and focused on the last person who could ever appreciate Mr. and Mrs. King's gifts to our country.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:19 PM
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34. A funeral according to you
Perhaps you are also one of the frozen chosen. My family doesn't do grief stricken funerals, as a rule. We have kids running all over the place, jokes along side tears, pot shots and praise. Don't dump your grieving process and rituals on other people, it's disrespectful.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:28 PM
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47. No, what's disrespectful is to give a eulogy where you talk about
someone else's failures instead of the deceased's accomplishments.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:36 PM
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57. What's the point of her life then?
You would prefer that everyone join in the pretense that the US is a place of peace and justice and that all her and Dr. King's works aren't in serious jeopardy of being ripped out from under this country with its current leadership? Oh yes, let's play the white man's version of racism is dead and we would bomb a white country to oblivion and Katrina could have happened to anybody. Because that's what that funeral would have been if it had been done your way and that would have been the tragedy.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:39 PM
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61. No. But for one day, can we just put aside our differences and
say "This woman was a true heroine. May we soon be blessed with someone as compassionate and honest as she."
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:16 PM
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77. Differences according to white corporate America
Was Reagan's funeral truth or politics according to white corporate America? I thought it was a big load of propaganda bullshit, and that half of it was made up to advance the political image of George Bush, following in the boots of Saint Ronnie. How come the white corporate media didn't call that "political"??? "Political" is only what they don't want to hear. Wise up.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:21 PM
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37. Her "accomplishments" were political. Should we have avoided the subject
of civil rights at the funeral of MLK?

NO. Coretta Scott King was a victim of warrant-less wiretapping, to not talk about the elephant in the living room would have been a disservice to this woman and her legacy.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:22 PM
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38. No, talk about her accomplishments. But don't talk about Bush's failures.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #38
45. The fact is her accomplishments are short lived if we don't talk about
Bush's failures.

I respect your right to disagree with me on this, however.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 04:33 AM
Response to Reply #38
99. ah, we should be respecting Bush
glad we've got that cleared up
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:24 PM
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42. How the hell do you celebrate the accomplishments of a politically
active person without bringing up politics?

We knew her as an icon, a figure, a legacy. Most of the people that spoke today (blivet** excluded) KNEW her and talked about her through their experiences.

They did, exactly what you wanted them and expected them to do. They honored her life and her accomplishments.

And, by the way, one sister made her speech about never, ever, missing an election, challenging the mourners to never miss an opportunity to vote. But then, I guess she was just a political hack that shouldn't have been allowed to speak either?

Ok, it wasn't your cup of tea. No one made you drink it. It was HER tea and that's what mattered.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #42
64. You can bring up what SHE did. But don't try to advance any cause
at a person's funeral.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:08 PM
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71. They did bring up what she did and what she lived through
What causes did they attempt to advance that weren't part of her reality or experiences?

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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:37 PM
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59. Her accomplishments were the right wingers ideas of failure
I'm sorry... Is there a way to slap lip stick on THAT particular pig?

Perhaps 41 and 43 should have just stayed the F out of that venue and avoided that particular photo op...I think the people that knew the woman said just what she would have enjoyed hearing.

That after all is who the service was about (ie the person who died) NOT BUSH.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:41 PM
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63. That depends upon the person being celebrated
The political policies that were mentioned and spoken out against were also policies that Mrs King had spoken out against. This was not about partisanship, it was honnoring the memory of Mrs King.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:32 PM
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82. This ain't about "partisan pot-shots".
It's about the future of the whole planet.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 02:24 AM
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96. Then why the Hell were the politicos there?
Sorry, but that changes the rules
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 07:50 AM
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106. A large part of her life WAS about politics.
If not, the "public" wouldn't have attended the funeral or been listening in. It would not be right to leave a whole chunk of her life out of honoring her memory. I'm betting that her grieving relatives are proud of what she spent her life doing, and what she stood for. They might have been rightly outraged to have that muffled at her memorial service.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 08:56 PM
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5. It's the Wellstone funeral thing all over again
Trying to wring sympathy for themselves.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:19 PM
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33. I'm hoping it will backfire in this case. Since she was not an
elected politician and some democrats had a chance to make points without media intervention.
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 08:56 PM
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6. My feelings on the subject:
"I’m sure the cons will get all hot and bothered over this denunciation of Iraq at the Coretta Scott King funeral, but they really need to stop pretending that Dr. King and his wife were apolitical people. They were progressive activists fighting against the closed minds of conservatism."

http://www.oliverwillis.com/2006/02/07/amen/
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tyedyeto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 08:58 PM
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9. I agree with you
:applause:
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:00 PM
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12. Not me...'twas the guy on the blog.
:)

But he echoed my senitments. :hi:
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:01 PM
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13. Wonderful article - The Kings had Democratic values!
There was political pandering everywhere at the funeral.

Coretta and MLK's values are Democratic values, Not Republican values.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 08:57 PM
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7. Her funeral and guest list showed she WAS political
Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Teddy Kennedy, etc.

Way to go Coretta! You got four presidents to show up!

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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 08:58 PM
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8. MSM couldn't possibly get any more corrupt
than it already is, thousands of katrina victims were kicked out on the street today carrying their belongings in a pillowcase. That was a issue the Kings would of embraced, but of course the loony pundits will blow hot air to keep the masses confused.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:46 PM
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67. Well Larry King found something important..."Growing Pains cast!
That sure is more important and Rita discussed the murder of a baby...again. That was certainly more important than showing a bunch of poor people walking around with pillow cases.
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:57 PM
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69. how many paychecks are we away from being in the same predicament
chee I remeber there was a time the MSM would talk about things like that.
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lovechild Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 08:58 PM
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10. "This whole thing is just so much stinking bullshit."
WOW! Inciteful observation; I think you may be on to something there...
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:10 PM
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22. The word is "insightful"...
not inciteful. Sheez! :eyes:
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:02 PM
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14. you're right... but you can't tell them that
you'll only get that deer caught in the headlights look from them.

I have a friend that has been trying to convert me to her religion for a few years now. We had a conversation once about her religion and why they choose not to participate in the political process. I told her I could never become one of them because of this. She tried to tell me christ wasn't interested in politics. I think I actually heard her brain explode when I exclaimed to her very loudly, that Jesus' entire life was all about politics. They just can't make the connection hence, the blank stare.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:03 PM
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15. What you said.
Exactly.

What are they supposed to say? She wasn't subject to illegal wiretapping? She didn't advocate nonviolence and taking care of the poor?


The outrage is bullshit.
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:05 PM
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16. I remember the march here in Charleston
for the Medical University Hospital workers in 1969. Coretta King was here for that one, too. Charleston was under curfew, every third car you saw was police of some sort but she came and spoke and led the march and there was no violence. A lot threatened but it could have been a lot worse. It probably would have been if not for Mrs. King and our own Septima Clark.

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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:06 PM
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18. when the living poet dies
duely entombed and canonized
saintly matrons lifetime guise.
Now the words and life are bent
to serve the ends of president.

Has it ever worked differently,
Helen keller's lifetime-work we do not see
sold we instead blindwaterfeel lies
to conceal her progressive lifetime ties.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:12 PM
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24. Does the choir need a sermon?
Ah never mind, there are probably some.

Not me, this time.
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:12 PM
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25. Thank you!! And so was Wellstone's, etc.
Why shouldn't a person who has devoted their whole life to making a difference politically have that fact acknowledged at their funeral? Wouldn't it be more disrespectful to forbid talking about the issues a political person was passionate about?

Tucker
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:15 PM
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28. So, the neocons had to call a waaaaaaaambulance, eh?
No TV here, but when I saw the play-by-play and saw a few DUers predict a Wellstone-like backlash, I expected it...ESPECIALLY because the Chimperor has been isolated from dissent in his plastic bubble.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:15 PM
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29. Exactly!
P.U. !!
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desi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:15 PM
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30. Their lives were also about PEACE.

..Many of their speeches were anti-war. Maybe the goddamn warmonger should have holed up at the ranch. He should have known he was not going to speak before a "captive"/wingnut audience.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:17 PM
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31. So, we had a month-long celebration of ray-gun...
... where his politics were pushed up front and center. But for Mrs. King... well, that's what happends when you don't agree with our genocidial terrorist in office.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:20 PM
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35. For the LOVE OF GOD,...her life was BEYOND POLITICAL,...Will.
In spite of your obsession, she lived for the human race,....not the political race.

Don't disgrace her life with your obsession. Please.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:26 PM
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44. That made no sense
Care to try again?
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:30 PM
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54. For you?
No.

Sorry.

Not this time.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:44 PM
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65. Cool
I really wasn't interested.
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:29 PM
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51. that's kinda mean... wanna do that over?
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:34 PM
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56. To whom?
What's "mean"?

Is calling a pure-hearted humanitarian, "political",...MEAN?!?!?!?!

What's "mean"?
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:40 PM
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83. and so was her funeral
don't get suckered into the M$M obsession (directive)

peace
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:21 PM
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36. You are right on brother Will!!
Edited on Tue Feb-07-06 09:21 PM by KyndCulture
You can only mix politics and religion where there is war I guess... not when it's about peace and justice....


I am so fed up with this disrespect today I am literally sick to my stomach!
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:24 PM
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40. Agreed. They were talking about *justice* too; that transcends politics
Edited on Tue Feb-07-06 09:26 PM by Wordie
anyway (at least politics in the usual sense). Tweety and the others just aren't happy because some real news got by them before they could spin it.

And I truly believe that Coretta Scott King would have been proud of every one of them for speaking out.
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:28 PM
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48. Ya think?
Driving down Auburn....

And passing the King Center daily.

Simple brick.

Now they are taking Coretta's body to the capitol.

To lie in State.

They didn't do it for Martin.

They had to wait
to see if it was alright.

To see if their corporate masters
were okay.

With Black People.

With the Niggers keeping even foot
with "Americans."

But they saw the influx from the Southern borders.

The Jungle Bunnies kept pushing
and godamnit, they pushed.

And now they work with us

In offices

And not in our Laundry rooms.

There are even black Judges

And Al, Jessie, Condi and Powell and Obama...

and so many more.

So now we have to have

A black body in the capitol.

Of Georgia.

From Alabama, I weep for you Coretta.

Where you and your wonderful husband

lived and preached.

You changed the world

And became an example

for all to follow.

I love you and your husband,

You made me what I am today.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:28 PM
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49. Yes, it was. That was really something, wasn't it?
And the blowhards can just whistle because they can't touch who she was or what she did.

:)
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:36 PM
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58. What's really in poor taste
is bombing innocent people over a lie....referring to that lie at the funeral of a political person isn't poor taste, it's telling the truth in a venue where bush wasn't insulated by a handpicked, cheerleader crowd of repubs.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:38 PM
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60. Right on, BlackVelvet.
What a wonderful, cleansing day.

:toast:
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:39 PM
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62. Yes, it was, wasn't it? : - ) n/t
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Anita Garcia Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:16 PM
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76. Yes. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:26 PM
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80. We were pretty lucky, weren't we, Anita?
Even in the middle of all the cR@p, that's what keeps coming back.

:)
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Anita Garcia Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 08:17 AM
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110. It is a reminder that what we are doing is righteous.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:23 PM
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79. I wish to think she would have appreciated the service
What better forum and tribute than to continue her non-violent struggle for freedom and justice. I doubt she would have liked a bunch of mealy-mouthed platitudes.
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:28 PM
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81. Will, you're right on!
Her life was about Politics of freedom and politics of equality! Funeral is the perfect place to discus her life... good and bad!
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:41 PM
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84. A funeral celebrates a person's life, right? What was CSK's about?
Social justice? Economic justice? Ending the war in Vietnam? She was a wife, a mother, and a politician.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 11:09 PM
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86. Thank you for saying it
It's so true. Doy. What else do you expect?
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 11:46 PM
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91. Right on!
Very true.
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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 12:03 AM
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93. It's just an intimidation game by the corp media.
I'm not intimidated and I hope our Dems won't be afraid to speak out to condemn those who criticize the stories and memories told and the call to action that should be Mrs. King's legacy.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 02:14 AM
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95. I know- people speaking up at an MLK event- imagine that. n/t
n/t
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 04:34 AM
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100. if * can't take the heat he should stay out of the kitchen
he could have shown some respect by not showing up.
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lies and propaganda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 04:52 AM
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101. exactly! if you eulogized ME and didnt talk politics
i would leave feeling nothing accomplished.

It would be different if it were Dolly Parton and they found a way to bring up partisan politics.

I think Coretta was served right today.

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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 04:54 AM
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102. And, thank the deities, it was.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 06:14 AM
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104. Those who spoke truth to power honored her by carrying her work forward
I completely believe that. What wonderful tributes to her life and her legacy.

As I noted in another thread, at least Terry Moran got it right on Nightline.

Rest in peace, great lady. We were so lucky to have you in our time.

Hekate
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 07:36 AM
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105. Imagine the nerve!
Talking about civil rights, poverty and war at a funeral for someone who fought for civil rights, and fought against poverty and war!!

SHAME!!

:sarcasm:

Right on, Will!
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 08:09 AM
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108. My Ltte was inspired by your post
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 08:12 AM
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109. Coretta Scott was political before she became Coretta Scott King...
Born on 27 April 1927 in Perry County, Alabama, Coretta Scott spent her childhood on a farm owned by her parents, Obie Leonard Scott and Bernice McMurray Scott. After graduating from Lincoln High School, a private black institution with an integrated faculty, Coretta Scott attended Antioch College in Ohio, where she received her B.A. in music and elementary education in 1949. While at Antioch , Scott joined the local chapters of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) and the Young Progressives, attending the Progressive Party convention in 1948 as a student delegate.....

During much of her husband's very public career, Coretta King remained out of the public spotlight, raising the couple's four children: Yolanda Denise (1955), Martin Luther III (1957), Dexter Scott (1961), and Bernice Albertine (1963). However, she continued to play a central role behind the scenes of many of the major civil rights campaigns of the 1950's and 1960's, and she was by her husband’s side when he received the Nobel Peace Prize in 1964 and during the march from Selma to Montgomery in 1965 that led to the passage of voting rights legislation.

Coretta King put her musical training to use throughout the black freedom struggle, participating in "freedom concerts," which included poetry recitation, singing, and lectures related to the history of the civil rights movement. The proceeds from these concerts were donated to the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC). Coretta King accompanied her husband on many of his trips, traveling to Ghana in 1957 and India in 1959. In 1962, Coretta King's interest in disarmament efforts took her to Geneva, Switzerland, where she served as a Women's Strike for Peace delegate to the seventeen-nation Disarmament Conference.

After King’s assassination on 4 April 1968, Coretta King devoted much of her life to spreading her husband's philosophy of nonviolence. Just a few days after his death, she led a march on behalf of sanitation workers in Memphis, Tennessee. Later that same month, she substituted for her husband at an anti-Vietnam War rally in New York. In May 1968, Coretta King helped to launch the Poor People's Campaign and thereafter participated in numerous anti-poverty efforts.


www.stanford.edu/group/King/about_king/encyclopedia/king_coretta_scott.htm

She was for human rights, against poverty & against war--all her life.

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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 08:25 AM
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111. I think we have to take the opportunity to speak when we can.
Let's face it--the media isn't asking many black liberal people to speak up on television. As liberals, we have to grab any opportunity we can to get the message out. I'm sure Coretta Scott-King would have approved.
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