The DLC member list! REMEMBER IT! COPY IT! NEVER FORGET IT!

[in_cog_ni_to]

This list should be forever pasted on the FRONT PAGE of DU so we know who NEVER to support in local, State and Nationwide elections. I've HAD IT with the DLC crap! How about you? We need to let them know that we do not want to support their agenda!

I highlighted the U.S. Representatives, U.S Senators and well known Governors who are members. The NEW DEMOCRATS????? I don't think so!



Jim Aldinger, Council Member, Manhattan Beach CA
Patrice Arent, State Senator, UT
David Aronberg, State Senator, FL
Toni Atkins, City Councilmember, San Diego CA
Loranne Ausley, State Representative, FL
Som Baccam, School Board Member, Des Moines IA
Brian Baird, U.S. Representative, WA
Thurbert Baker, State Attorney General, GA
Brenda Barger, Mayor, Watertown, SD
Gonzalo Barrientos, State Senator, TX
Viola Baskerville, State Delegate, VA
Alan C. Bates, State Senator, OR
Max Baucus, U.S. Senator, MT
Evan Bayh, U.S. Senator, IN
Melissa Bean, United States Representative, IL
Ralph Becker, State Representative, UT
James Bennett, City Council, St. Petersberg FL
Shelley Berkley, U.S. Representative, NV
Ethan Berkowitz, House Democratic Leader, AK
Barbara Blanchard, County Legislator, Tompkins County NY
Patrica M. Blevins, State Senator, DE
Marty Block, Community College Trustee, San Diego CA
Alice Borodkin, State Representative, CO
Lisa Boscola, State Senator, PA
Betty Boyd, State Representative, CO
David Braddock, State Representative, OK
Daniel Brady, State Senator, OH
Zach Brandon, City Councilmember, Madison WI
John Brenner, Mayor, York PA
Bob Brink, Delegate, VA
Matt Brown, Secretary of State, RI
Don Brown, Jr., City Councilman, Louisville, CO
Polly Bukta, State Representative, IA
Cruz M. Bustamante, Lieutenant Governor, CA
Robert Butkin, State Treasurer, OK
Thomas Campbell, State Delegate, WV
Jane Campbell, Mayor, Cleveland OH
Roberto Canchola, Superintendent of Schools, Santa Cruz Co., AZ
Maria Cantwell, U.S. Senator, WA SCALITO VOTE??? HELLO!!!!
Lois Capps, U.S. Representative, CA
Twanda Carlisle, Council Member, Pittsburgh PA
Russ Carnahan, U.S. Representative, MO
Tom Carper, U.S. Senator, DE
Adolfo Carrion, Borough President, Bronx NY
Terrance D. Carroll, State Representative, CO
Karen R. Carter, State Representative, LA
Ed Case, U.S. Representative, HI
Bill Cegelka, City Council Member, Lexington KY
Ben Chandler, U.S. Representative, KY
Ken Cheuvront, State Senator, AZ
Carol Chumney, Council Member, City of Memphis TN
Paul Clark, Town Supervisor, West Seneca NY
Hillary Clinton, U.S. Senator, NY
Martha Coakley, District Attorney, Middlesex County MA
Mark Cohen, State Representative, PA
Steve Cohn, City Councilmember, Sacramento CA
Michael Coleman, Mayor, Columbus, OH
Fran Coleman, State Representative, CO
Kent Conrad, U.S. Senator, ND
Christopher Coons, Council President, New Castle Co., DE
Roy A. Cooper III, Attorney General, NC
Lou Correa, Supervisor, Orange County CA
Cathy Cox, Secretary of State, GA
Joseph Crowley, U.S. Representative, NY
J. Joseph Curran, State Attorney General, MD
Lou D'Allesandro, State Senator, NH
Ruth Damsker, County Commissioner, Montgomery Co., PA
Swati Dandekar, State Representative, IA
Jim Davis, U.S. Representative, FL
Ray Davis, Registrar, Stafford County VA
Artur Davis, U.S. Representative, AL
Susan Davis, U.S. Representative, CA
Sergio De Leon, Constable, Tarrant County TX
Ryan Deckert, State Senator, OR
Rocky Delgadillo, City Attorney, Los Angeles, CA
Christopher Dodd, U.S. Senator, CT I didn't know Dodd was DLC!! :grr:
Byron Dorgan, U.S. Senator, ND
Jim Doyle, Governor, WI
Doug Duncan, County Executive, Montgomery County MD
Joseph Dunn, State Senator, CA
Michael Easley, Governor, NC
Doug Echols, Mayor, Rock Hill SC
W.A. Drew Edmondson, State Attorney General, OK
Rahm Emanuel, U.S. Representative, IL tsk, tsk, tsk...Rahm, Rahm, Rahm...shame, shame, shame!
Eliot Engel, U.S. Representative, NY
Bob Etheridge, U.S. Representative, NC
Robert Faucheux, State Representative, LA
Dianne Feinstein, U.S. Senator, CA FIGURES, doesn't it?
John Fernandez, Mayor, Bloomington IN
Barry R. Finegold, State Representative, MA
Eric Fingerhut, State Senator, OH
Joan Fitz-Gerald, State Senator, CO
Michael L. Fitzgerald, State Treasurer, IA
Jamie Fleet, City Councilman, Gettysburg PA
Elizabeth G. Flores, Mayor, Laredo, TX
Dean Florez, State Assemblymember, CA
Romanie Foege, State Representative, IA
Harold Ford, Jr. , U.S. Representative, TN Surprise, surprise, surprise!
Dan B. Frankel, State Representative, PA
Shirley Franklin, Mayor, Atlanta GA
John A. Fritchey, State Representative, IL
Douglas F. Gansler, State's Attorney for Montgomery Co., MD
Michael Garcia, State Representative, CO
Steven A. Geller, State Senator, FL
Allen Jay Gerson, Council Member, New York City NY
Glen D. Gilmore, Mayor, Hamilton NJ
Michael Golden, Borough Council Member, Jenkintown PA
Ron Gonzales, Mayor, San Jose, CA
Charlie Gonzalez, United States Representative, TX
Phil Gordon, Mayor, Phoenix AZ
Ken Gordon, State Senator, CO
Jennifer Granholm, Governor, MI THIS is too bad, Jen.
Darlene Green, City Comptroller, St. Louis, MO
Ron L. Greenstein, State Representative, FL
James S. Gregory, City Councilman, Bethlehem, PA
Wendy Greuel, City Council, Los Angeles CA
Daniel Grimes, City Council, Goshen IN
Peter C. Groff, State Representative, CO
Daniel Grossman, State Senator, CO
Ken Guin, Majority Leader, AL
Bob Hagedorn, State Senator, CO
Karen Hale, State Senator, UT
Lee Hammond, State Representative, NH
DeAnna Hanna, State Senator, CO
Jane Harman, U.S. Representative, CA ..... FIGURES!
Jeff Harris, State Representative, MO
Patrick Henry Hays, Mayor, North Little Rock, AR
Martin J. Heft, First Selectman, Chester CT
Robert Henriquez, State Representative, FL
Stephanie Herseth, U.S. Representative, SD
Thomas Hickner, County Executive, Bay County, MI
Brian Higgins, U.S. Representative, NY
Richard Hildreth, Mayor, Pacific WA
Debra Hilstrom, State Representative, MN
Rush Holt, U.S. Representative, NJ ....damn :(
Helen Holton, City Council Member, Baltimore, MD
Darlene Hooley, U.S. Representative, OR
Sam Hoyt, State Assemblymember, NY
Dave Hunt, State Representative, OR
Ross Hunter, State Representative, WA
Geri Huser, State Representative, IA
Daniel W. Hynes, State Comptroller, IL
Jay Inslee, U.S. Representative, WA .....what a shame! I liked this guy.:(
Thomas Irvin, Commissioner of Agriculture, GA
Steve Israel, U.S. Representative, NY
Michael Jackson, State Representative, LA
Gilda Z. Jacobs, State Senator, MI
Wendy Jaquet, State House Minority Leader, ID
Nicholas Jellins, Mayor Prom Tem, Menlo Park, CA
Evan Jenkins, State Senator, WV
Douglas Jennings Jr., House Democratic Leader, SC
Tim Johnson, U.S. Senator, SD ....voted for ScAlito. :(
Robin Johnson, Alderman, Monmouth IL
Donald Jones, Council Member, Jefferson Parish LA
Patty Judge, Secretary of Agriculture, IA
Charlie Justice, State Representative, FL
Tim Kaine, Lt. Governor, VA
Steve Kelley, Senate Majority Whip, MN
Randy Kelly, Mayor, St. Paul, MN
John Kerry, U.S. Senator, MA
Lynn Kessler, State House Democratic Leader, WA
Kwame Kilpatrick, Mayor, Detroit, MI
Ron Kind, U.S. Representative, WI
Victor King, Trustee, Glendale, CA
Herb Kohl, U.S. Senator, WI .....Judiciary Committee member. :(
Richard Kriseman, City Council Chairman, St. Petersburg, FL
Annie Kuether, State Representative, KS
Rosalind Kurita, State Senator, TN
Eric LaFleur, State Representative, LA
Mary Landrieu, U.S. Senator, LA ......Mary, Mary, Mary.....sad. :(
Leah Landrum Taylor, Assistant Minority Leader, AZ
Patricia Lantz, State Representative, WA
Rick Larsen, U.S. Representative, WA
John Larson, U.S. Representative, CT
Joe Lieberman, U.S. Senator, CT ....need I say more?:eyes:
Blanche Lincoln, U.S. Senator, AR ...........................UGH!!!!
David Lindenmuth, Councilman, Woodstown Borough NJ
Duane E. Little, Assessor, Shoshone Co., ID
Alice Madden, State Representative, CO
Louis Magazzu, Freeholder, Cumberland County NJ
Dannel P. Malloy, Mayor, Stamford, CT
Matthew Mangino, District Attorney, Lawrence Co., PA
Jennifer Mann, State Representative, PA
Steve Marchand, City Councilman, Portsmouth NH
Jack Markell, State Treasurer, DE
Lisa Tessier Marrache, State Representative, ME
Rosemary Marshall, State Representative, CO
Barbara Matthews, Assembly Member, Tracy CA
Carolyn McCarthy, U.S. Representative, NY
Kevin McCarthy, State Representative, IA
Kevin McCarthy, State Representative, IL
Kenneth McClintock, State Senator, PR
Bill McConico, State Representative, MI
Matt McCoy, State Senator, IA
Sharon McDonald, Commissioner of Revenue, Norfolk, VA
Mike McIntyre, U.S. Representative, NC
Gregory Meeks, U.S. Representative, NY
Charlie Melancon, United States Representative, LA
Jules Mermelstein, Township Commissioner, Upper Dublin, PA
Dolores Mertz, State Representative, IA
Juanita Millender-McDonald, U.S. Representative, CA
Jonathan Miller, State Treasurer, KY
Tom Miller, Attorney General, IA
Doug Milliken, Treasurer, Centennial CO
Ruth Ann Minner, Governor, DE
Keiffer Mitchell, Jr., City Councilman, Baltimore, MD
Dennis Moore, U.S. Representative, KS
Richard H. Moore, State Treasurer, NC
Richard Moore, State Senator, MA
Jim Moran, U.S. Representative, VA
Karen Morgan, State Representative, UT
John Morrison, State Auditor, MT
Keith Mulvihill, Commissioner, Mt. Lebanon PA
Charles A. Murphy, State Representative, MA
Pat Murphy, State Representative, IA
Ed Murray, State Representative, WA
Therese Murray, State Senator, MA
Janet Napolitano, Governor, AZ ....What a shame.
Bill Nelson, U.S. Senator, FL
Ben Nelson, U.S. Senator, NE ...........No surprise here!
Gavin C. Newsom, Mayor, San Francisco CA
Michael Nutter, City Councilman, Philadelphia, PA
Martin O'Malley, Mayor, Baltimore, MD
Michael A. O'Pake, State Senator, PA
Marc R. Pacheco, State Senator, MA
Alex Padilla, City Councilman, Los Angeles, CA
Alfred Park, State Representative, NM
Sally Pederson, Lieutenant Governor, IA
William Peduto, City Councilmember, Pittsburgh PA
Beverly Perdue, Lieutenant Governor, NC
Eddie Perez, Mayor, Hartford CT
Scott Peters, City Councilman, San Diego, CA
Janet Petersen, State Representative, IA
Bart Peterson, Mayor, Indianapolis IN
Gregory Pitoniak, Mayor, Taylor, MI
Jeffrey Plale, State Senator, WI
Tom Plant, State Representative, CO
Charles Potter, Council Member, Wilmington DE
Debra Powell, Mayor, East St. Louis, IL
David Price, U.S. Representative, NC
Mark Pryor, U.S. Senator, AR.......THIS explains a lot, no?
Brian Quirk, State Representative, IA
David Ragucci, Mayor, Everett, MA
Aaron Reardon, Snohomish County Executive, WA
Stephen Reed, Mayor, Harrisburg, PA
Ed Rendell, Governor, PA
Ann H. Rest, State Senator, MN
Joe Rice, Mayor, Glendale, CO
Graham Richard, Mayor, Fort Wayne, IN
John Richardson, State Representative, ME
Bill Richardson, Governor, NM
Steven Riggs, State Representative, KY
Joe Riley, Mayor, Charleston SC
Andrew Romanoff, State Representative,, CO
T.J. Rooney, State Representative, PA
Samuel Rosenberg, State Delegate, MD
Loretta Sanchez, U.S. Representative, CA ....Loretta????!!!!! Sheesh!
Sharon Sanders Brooks, State Representative, MO
Adam B. Schiff, U.S. Representative, CA
Jefferey Schoenberg, State Senator, IL
Allyson Schwartz, U.S. Representative, PA
Timothy Scott, Council Member, Carlisle Borough PA
David Scott, U.S. Representative, GA
Kathleen Sebelius, Governor, KS
Eugene M. Sellers, Vermillion Parish Engineer, Lafayette, LA
James Shapiro, City Representative, Stamford, CT
Kenneth Shetter, Mayor, Burleson TX
Ron Sims, County Executive, King County, WA
Scott Slifka, Mayor, West Hartford CT
Adam Smith, U.S. Representative, WA
Malcolm A. Smith, State Senator, NY
James Smith, House Democratic Leader, SC
Rod Smith, State Senator, FL
Vic Snyder, United States Representative, AR
Eleanor Sobel, State Representative, FL
Andrew Spano, County Executive, Westchester Co., NY
Carol Spielman, County Board Member, Lake County IL
Eliot Spitzer, State Attorney General, NY
Debbie Stabenow, U.S. Senator, MI ....crap!
Greg Stanton, City Councilman, Phoenix, AZ
Larry Stone, Assessor, Santa Clara County, CA
Peter Sullivan, State Representative, NH
Harvey D. Tallackson, State Senator, ND
Abel J. Tapia, State Representative, CO
Ellen Tauscher, U.S. Representative, CA
Charleta B. Tavares, City Council Member, Columbus, OH
Mark Taylor, Lieutenant Governor, GA
Michael L. Thurmond, State Labor Commissioner, GA
Lois Tochtrop, State Representative, CO
Tom Udall, U.S. Representative, NM
John Unger II, State Senator, WV
George Van Til, Surveyor, Lake County IN
Juan Vargas, State Assemblymember, CA
Jennifer Veiga, State Representative, CO
Val Vigil, State Representative, CO
Michael Villarreal, State Representative, TX
Tom Vilsack, Governor, IA ......:grr: THE reason for this list posting!
Peter Voros, Mayor, Pittsgrove Township NJ
Lewis J. Wallace, State Representative, CT
Mark Warner, Governor, VA
Steven Warnstadt, State Representative, IA
Jonathan Weinzapfel, State Representative, IN
Jack Weiss, City Council, Los Angeles CA
Peggy M. Welch, State Representative, IN
Kenneth Welch, County Commissioner, Pinnellas County FL
Steve Westly, State Controller, CA
Michael J. Wildes, Mayor, Englewood NJ
Anthony Williams, Mayor, Washington, DC
Earnest Williams, City Councilman, St. Petersburg, FL
Suzanne Williams, State Representative, CO
Constance Williams, State Senator, PA
Sue Windels, State Senator, CO
Philip Wise, State Representative, IA
David Wu, U.S. Representative, OR
Barbara Yamrick, Regional Tranportation District Director, Aurora CO
David Yassky, City Councilmember, Brooklyn NY
Caprice Young, President of the Board of LAUSD, Los Angeles CA

http://www.dlc.org/new_dem_dir_action.cfm?viewAll=1



http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/12/11/14509/566

[Mass]

1. So yes to Reid, Salazar, Biden... but no to Kerry and Dorgan

Look at vote records, not lists posted by the DLC, please.

[in_cog_ni_to]

6. Dorgan is DLC. Salazar sucks and Reid is already on MY list.

Any anti-choice moderate Democrat doesn't get my TRUST.

The DLC SUCKS!

[Mass]

8. Dorgan is a lot better than many that are not in your list including Byrd.

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. Right. This is just a DLC member list. They are not EXCLUSIVE

to whom I wish NOT to support. SOME of these on the list are "better" than others. Some who are NOT members are worse than some on the list. WE have to determine who those people are ourselves. This list a GREAT place to start though.

[FreedomAngel82]

125. And you know Reid

doesn't defend Roe v Wade how now? Gee, I didn't know you could read minds now. :eyes: This is just as bad as how the fundies are with voting only on abortion.

[ramapodem]

27. I agree

For example Rush Holt (NJ-12th) aka the rocket scientist has a very progressive voting record. If you remember his pet project is the verified voting bill.

[mdmc]

61. Welcome to DU! Peace and low stress! Holt is cool-i-o

actually, all of the dlc shits are better than their GOP opponents.

[flpoljunkie]

151. From listed DLC's "Candidates" as Clinton, Vilsack, Warner & Bayh, in that

order in an October 25th, 2005, appearance on C-Span's Washington Journal. John Kerry's name did not pass his lips.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

2. McCarthyism anyone?

:shrug:

[Armstead]

9. The good ones could quit if they wanted

DLC is nothing but a Democratic version of the American Enterprise Institute. Another "think tank" that is a corporate front to advance an agenda that is far what traditional Democratic liberalism.

If individual Democrats would abandon this CON job, it would signal that they understand that one cannot serve two masters. Either they are on the side of the majority of Americans or on the side of the status quo elite oligarchy.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

21. Who are you to determine what's bad or good?

It seems the people that actually ELECT them think it's good, and quite frankly, their opinions matter infinitely more than yours. If they don't think it's good, they're more than welcome to vote for someone else.

[Armstead]

28. How many people know, and know what the DLC is?

I was surprised, for example to see Byron Dorgan on that list.

Also I'm from Massachusetts. I'm not happy that John Kerry is a member, but that doesn't mean I'd vote against him just because he is DLC.

You're missing the point though. Setting aside ideas of "bad" or "good" the DLC espouses policies and a "message" that attempts to pull Democrats away from the true meaning of liberalism as a check and balance against the economically wealthy and powerful.

They are participating in the giant CON job that says one isd "anti-business" and "the far left" if one is opposed to the perversion of our economic system in favor of large corporations over the interests of the majority of the population and smaller business. It's not as blatant as the GOP, but the message is the same.

[FreedomAngel82]

126. John Kerry hasn't been affiliated with that group since 2003

[me b zola]

153. Well said. n/t

[SOS]

83. They are voting for someone else

In 2004, only two incumbent Democratic Senators were voted out of office, Carnahan and Cleland. Both DLC.
In the House, only five incumbent Reps were voted out of office. Four were DLC caucus members.
Kathleen Kennedy Townsend (DLC) managed to lose the Maryland governors race in 2002, despite a 2004 Kerry victory of 56-43 in Maryland.
She picked a Republican as a running mate!
The voters are already making their choices.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

90. Yeah, in favor of Republicans.

You are a goddamn lunatic if you think having Republicans in office is better than a DLC Democrat.

[SOS]

98. How perceptive!

That was my point. DLC candidates are losing to Republicans.
How you come to the conclusion that I think that's "better" is baffling.
Your day spent calling those who disagree with you "goddamn lunatics" "heroin addicts" and "fucking nuts" will win your beloved DLC lots of converts!
Just knowing that someone as insulting as you is a DLC booster is yet another reason to never vote for them.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

103. Let's add 2 and 2 together, shall we?

You obviously advocate non-support of DLC members. So why then would it be surprising that these DLC members would lose their seats when Democrats don't support them?

Obviously, you think that Democrats losing seats to Republicans is a good thing, or else you wouldn't withhold your support from them.

And I'm not a DLC supporter of any kind. Quite frankly, I'm not fond of them myself. However, they ARE Democrats, and ones elected by their states and districts. Those people found their DLC affiliation to be acceptable, and them being fellow Democrats, I'm not one to disagree with that. And I'm certainly not in favor of circular firing squads or party fascism, as you apparently are.

And I could give a shit less what you think about me, for the record.

[SOS]

117. Actually

I should have said I would never vote for a DLCer in a primary.
I have voted Democratic in every election since 1980. Never missed one, not even a primary.
And yes, I did vote for DLCers Gore and Kerry.
That went well.
Thank goodness Gore quit.

And for the record, it's not humanly possible for me to care less about your opinion of me.

[karynnj]

135. You're a member only if you're in office

so Dean, Edwards and Gore, who all were members aren't now - there was no explicit dropping out. Look at people's records.

[mtnsnake]

188. Well said, Vash

Ya really gotta wonder about some of these people who run around advocating for the cause of eating your own.

[onenote]

106. if you're suggesting that Cleland lost because he was DLC, you're nuts

Cleland, an incumbent, decorated, disabled war veteran is attacked viciously by the RW and loses and you think its because he was DLC? Wow!! How ill-informed are you?

By the way, it was 2002 not 2004 that Cleland and Carnahan lost and Carnahan was barely an incumbent, having been appointed to the seat in 2001 after her husband, having died in a plane crash, nonetheless narrowly reelection. She had to run again in a special election a year later and almost pulled it off, losing by a tiny margin. Also, take note that in 2004, her son Russ, who is DLC, was elected to Congress from Missouri.

So tell me again about how the voters are making choices based on DLC membership?

onenote

[Zhade]

180. I'd say supporting illegal wars = bad.

Being against universal health care - which polls show Americans want - is bad.

Being for NAFTA and against workers = bad.

Should I go on? Do I even really NEED to? Shouldn't anyone who belongs here at this progressive board already know this stuff is bad?

[blm]

116. They could also STAY and try to maintain some influence so it doesn't move

too far to the right.

Getting rid of all left voices assures that only the centrist voices will be heard.

[peacetalksforall]

39. The people who TRY TO vote who are Dems are in a fight for the

country. Sometimes it seems every move forward in the fight against the takeover of our country and the big brotherhood thumb of fascism is PUSHED BACK BY A DLC MEMBER.

My entire life has changed. I spend nearly every possible minute LEARNING what is wrong and where I can do something.

Why do I have to spend time fighting DEMS?

Being educated is magic.

This list is another tool of magic knowledge.

It is obvious where the bulk of progress is being set back by our own.

Knowledge is hardly McCarthyism. Unless your referring to something you haven't spelled out that would also educate me.

We should not have to fight two groups for our country.

[in_cog_ni_to]

42. Also, notice who it is who USUALLY is undermining our cause. DLC members

Lieberman, Landrieu, Vilsack, Clinton, Warner, ect... DLCers. This list is VERY helpful. I've always wanted to know which politicians were actually members of this horrible organization. Now I know and it explains a LOT. Look at the list and think back on how they voted and keep the list handy for future votes. It should be a real eye opener.

[peacetalksforall]

56. Yes, and yes. This list is extremely valuable. It could be even better

if it included their employees and paid spokespersons. Maybe I'll look at the website.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

86. Do you actually check their records?

National Journal 2004 liberal voting rankings each gave Clinton and Lieberman 82%. Yeah, your eyes are truly open, huh? :eyes:

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_detail.php?sig_id=003486M

[Name removed]

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Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[ronnykmarshall]

170. No shit.

When's the attacks on Lucy gonna start?

[txindy]

3. Noted and saved for future reference.

Isabelle is so cute she almost overwhelms the outrage I feel looking at that list. ;)

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. Thank you. That pic of her ALWAYS makes me laugh.

She was bored with my taking her picture that day.....the yawn looks like she's making a "funny face" at me. :) It cheers me up too...as hard as that is sometimes with the mess our country is in.:(

Thanks, txindy. I'm glad she cheers you up.:)

[Rose Siding]

4. Blue dog dems vote repub to a greater degree than dlc

I'm not defending dlcers and vilsac's process piece shows he's more concerned about how he looks than what he believes, but the dlc block votes more reliably for our side than does the smaller faction called blue dogs.

[joeybee12]

12. Yes, but this shows how the DLC undercuts any Dem momentum...

...the spying is a huge issue for Dems to put the Nazis on the defensive, but this putz goes and says it shouldn't be an issue. There is therefore no Dem solidairty, and the Nazis get away this crap once more. It's called enabling, a severe psychological disorder.

[Rose Siding]

32. I don't disagree. Is this an official dlc position, or is it on vilsack?

[joeybee12]

47. Not sure, but I'd be willing to bet that the DLC gave him its blessing...

...the truest bumper sticker I ever saw was, "When the people lead, the leaders will follow." It's up to us to let the elected officials know we think spying is horrid, and that their political futures depend on backing us up--then they'll change their tune.

[Skidmore]

5. Put that list on the Research Forum.

[in_cog_ni_to]

7. OK. Will do.

:hi:

[RubyDuby in GA]

10. Shirley Franklin, Mayor, Atlanta GA

I don't think so. And the other GA people on this list, with the exception of David Scott - complete and utter asshole "Blue Dog" - are not DLC. I personally know all of them and they are about as DLC as I am. Well, maybe Mark Taylor - can't stand him. Can you say 'media whore'?

[KittyWampus]

22. Well, you're actually looking at what these people have DONE

and what votes have actually been cast.

But isn't it grand when the Left decides to lump people together and make assumptions based on who said people have as business associates.

[robcon]

11. Reminds me of Joe McCarthy.

'I have in my hand a list of 200 communists in the State Dept.'

Guilt by association sucks.

[in_cog_ni_to]

14. Really? Maybe they should quit the DLC then? n/t

[KittyWampus]

17. Maybe you should ADMIT that is what you've done

and stop trying to rationalize it.

[in_cog_ni_to]

23. The DLC is NOT good for this party and you know it.

I'm not "rationalizing" anything. I'm not the one who joined the DLC to take our party so far to the right we lost control of the damn government. Sorry. If you don't like it....don't click on the thread?:shrug:

[KittyWampus]

25. Wesley Clark was a member of the NED- remember that one?

and how hard it is to make people understand how stupid it is to lambast him for having been a memeber.

[SOS]

52. Disagree

McCarthy created his dubious list through nefarious means. It's not like the CPUSA sent him a membership roster.
This OP simply posts the DLC membership roster as posted on their web site.
There's nothing wrong with being informed as to who's on the corporate payroll.

[karynnj]

137. This is beyond stupid

There are good people and bad people on the list. Being on the list doesn't make you "On the Corporate payroll". Senator Kerry is one of the cleanest Senators in this reguard and he's on the list. He and Wellstone wrote and brought to the Senate floor the "Clean elections" bill that went a huge distance in fixing this problem - it never was even voted on. Kerry himself didn't take PAC money.

Biden is not on the list and gets a huge amount of money from the Delaware based insurance companies. He voted for them, not us, on the bankrupcy bill.

But you and the OP seem to suggest I should prefer him to Senator Kerry who has had a fairly casual connection to the DLC. Even if being "bought" by corporations were the issue, Senator Kerry would beat Biden by a country mile. He is clearly not for sale.

[MrBenchley]

70. Sure does, doesn't it?

By the way, there's a far left version of the DLC with its own membership list and programs....but not even the progressive purists here give two shits about what they have to say.

[TInCanCommunications]

183. Insane analogy

These people choose to be part of the party that is taking the party to the right and completely fucking over the poor and working class.

And you think it's McCarthyism that someone identifies them???


It isn't like these people risk jail time.

Grow the fuck up.

[Free the Press]

186. Sen. Joe McCarthy? Orwellian analogy?

"Sen. Joseph McCarthy and the Red Scare of the 1950s."

Is the idea is to portray the DLC as the victim of a wrongful attack on the scale of the Joe McCarthy communist hunt?

Have you seen, heard, or in any way come across any actions by a US Senator that frame the DLC in the same context that Joe McCarthy framed the communist influence on the Untied States?

Of course not!

Have you seen, heard, or in any way come across any US Senate or US House of Representative hearings that specifically seek to identify the DLC'ers in this country in order to eradicate them?

Of course not!

Sorry, Joe McCarthy had nothing to do with rooting out right-wing corporate neoconservative influence over the US Government, though this country would have been a better place if he had!

Communist and right-wing corporate neoconservative influence over the US Government and this nation are not related at all, except in that they are routinely invoked in false analogies.

These political and economic entities result in opposite effects: Communism and totalitarianism.

No US Senator will use their power to bring the DLC, corporations, neoconservative foundations and think tanks, or individuals that are supportive of the DLC to their knees on the floor of the US Senate.

To suggest this is so is PURE nonsense.

No US Senator will conduct a DLC hunt like Joe McCarthy did in hunting down alleged Communists in this nation.

To suggest that there should be concern that the DLC or its advocates or supporters will become victimized by this type of action is PURE nonsense.

The DLC is not the victim that DLC advocates and supporters portray it as.

Instead, this analogy is Orwellian, because it is exactly the opposite of the truth.

In fact, it kind of reminds me of a lot of the Republican use of Orwellian expressions in recent times, though I am not trying to state that the DLC advocates and supporters that invoke this false analogy are Republicans.

No, I would never do that!

[wtbymark]

15. A comparison of the voting record with the list would be interesting

no Vermonters- not even state legislators

Vermont = Ethan Allen's last bastion of freedom

[KittyWampus]

20. Witchhunts are so much more fun. Mob Mentality is just hunky dory when

it's those of us on the Left.

[SaveElmer]

24. Right...

Far left and far right have these same tendencies. A hysterical over reaction when there is disagreement with their position. Very much like fundamentalists, who view every departure from bible literacy as a ticket to hell.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

80. Thank god I'm not the only one who sees this.

Thank you very much.

[TInCanCommunications]

184. Mob Mentality?

How is it mob mentality to point out where these people are trying to take the party?

It's fucking knowledge.

Now that I know that Debbie Stabenow is a Right Wing Democrat, I'll stop supporting her sorry ass and people in our district can begin to find someone who better represents the ideals of the party.

How in the fuck is that mob mentality?

It's fucking politics. These people load their fucking literature with endorsements from groups andlist their involvement in groups to get votes.

If this was the Pro-Life Democratic Party wing, would that raise any fucking eyebrows?

How about, if it were the sanctity of marraige democrats? Would you be offended if the GLB community published the list of those Dems?

WHy the fuck is it sooooo wrong to publish a list of Dems who cut social programs, promote freetrade, fuck over the unions and throw moms off welfare??

Why the fuck is that wrong?

[ariellyn]

16. Nominated. nt

[goodboy]

18. I just lit my torch and sharpened my pitchfork. Liber-shit's is FIRST!

[Cocoa]

26. this is twisted

why not judge them by what they DO, rather than whether they're on some black list.

[SaveElmer]

29. Really just juvenile...

The DU equivelent of holding their breath till they get what they want.

Not to be taken seriously.

[in_cog_ni_to]

30. That's twisted..Blacklist? This is the membership list for the DLC.

If it's so BAD, why are they members? Blacklist? GEEZUS...that is just an unbelievable comparison. Blacklist?:rofl:


Gov. Tom Vilsack said Monday that Democrats risk political backlash if they object to the Bush administration's wiretapping but cannot show that Americans' civil liberties are at risk.

The Democratic governor, who is weighing a 2008 presidential bid, said the party will suffer if it continues to be perceived as weaker than Republicans on national security.

(snip)

"If the president broke the law, that's unacceptable. But I think it's debatable whether he did," Vilsack told Des Moines Register editors and reporters.

"And I think Democrats are falling into a very, very large political trap," he said. "Democrats are not going to win elections until they can reassure people they are going to keep them safe."

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?...

[SaveElmer]

33. This is what Republicans do...

Tarnish everyone having the same affilitaion with one they are attacking. Never mind that some of the DLC members have been strongest attacking Bush and the spying program (Feinstein, Clinton, Kerry)...they are in the same organization as Vilsack so they must all be wiped out....ridiculuous and childish...and faintly McCarthyesque.

[in_cog_ni_to]

37. Feinstein and Clinton? Puhleeeze! DiFi

was going to vote for ScAlito until Cindy Sheehan said she'd run for her seat if she did vote for him.:eyes: Her husband also make MEGA bucks through DEFENSE CONTRACTS! Give-me-a-break.

Hillary??? She was actually considering a vote for ScAlito too because she didn't want to "upset" the party vote. They BOTH voted for the IWR and the Patriot Act too. Hillary supported the Flag Burning amendment.

Kerry...I have made a promise that I will never say anything bad about him since he led the filibuster of ScAlito. So, I won't.

Faintly McCarthyesque? That's bullshit. It's a member list. If it's so BAD......why are they members? I love the DLC supporter's new meme though....McCarthyism.:eyes: Ridiculous comparison. Absolutely ridiculous.

The DLC is BAD for our party and we need to let them know we do not want them to be a part of it. Either quit the DLC, or start their own Republican Democratic Party.

[SaveElmer]

51. First of all...

The issue is wiretaps...I know haters of everything attached to DLC cannot manage to stick on topic.

Second, you need to get your facts straight.

Hillary voted against both Roberts and Alito, and supported the filibuster on Alito.
Hillary OPPOSES a flag burning amendment, always has.

The fact that Diane Feinstein's husband is an executive with a defense contractor means nothing. More McCarthyite tactics. You can't attack what Feinstein has done with regards to wiretapping, so you attack her husband on an ancillary issue. No evidence that her husband has done anything even faintly illegal or immoral, yet that is reason enough to attack her.

If you aren't going to say anything bad about John Kerry why did you include him on your list?

Why not just post the name of everyone in the Democratic Party? Just as useful

[in_cog_ni_to]

63. Oh, that's right. It was a bill that would BAN flag burning. Silly me.

:eyes:

Hillary Clinton Co-Sponsors Anti-Flag Burning Bill

December 05, 2005

Senator Hillary Clinton is supporting a bill that would ban flag burning, but she is opposed to a constitutional ban on the act.

Clinton is co-sponsoring a bill that would make it a crime to destroy a flag on federal property, intimidate anyone by burning a flag or burning someone else's flag.

A spokesperson for the Senator says Clinton supports making flag burning a crime, but is hesitant to amend the Constitution.

Clinton's move to co-sponsor the bill is seen by many observers as an apparent attempt to win over conservative voters as she preps for a possible run for the White House in 2008.

http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=3&aid=55396


A DUer called Hillary's office to get support for a vote against ScAlito and was told by a staffer she was voting FOR ScAlito so she didn't rock the boat. Fact. AFTER Kerry announced the filibuster, she changed her tune.

As for why wouldn't I take Kerry's name off of MY list? Because it's NOT MY LIST. That's why. It's a list from their web site. Kerry's a member. His name stays on.

DiFi's husband makes MEGA MILLIONS off the BLOOD OF OUR SOLDIERS who are fighting an ILLEGAL war. THAT is indefensible and I cannot believe you defend it. I can't say I'm surprised though. DLC.:eyes:

[SaveElmer]

71. Again...get your facts straight...

You said Hillary Clinton advocated a Flag Burning amendment...she did not...

She supported a very limited bill that would have outlawed it when it was used to intimidate another person on federal property. Not even close to the same thing...Hillary Clinton has consistently voted against any constitutional amendment to ban flag burning.

Name for me the exact contracts Diane Feinstein's husband's company has, and relate that to the "blood on his hands." Are you implying that anyone of the hundred's of thousands of people who work for defense contractors have blood on their hands?

As for the Scalito information...very reliable, the word of some anonymous person on the board, who talked to some anonymous staffer allegedely in Hillary's office. Real solid evidence there partner.

You're post clearly implied calling for the defeat of any DLC member...if you don't advocate that for Kerry why not take him off the list. Just proves my point that you're tactics are no better than Joe McCarthy's or what the Republcian's engage in constantly. Great company you keep there...

[in_cog_ni_to]

77. excuses, excuses, excuses. Keep making excuses for them and

they will NEVER change their ways. Hillary supported a VERY LIMITED BILL???? It was a bill to make flag burning ILLEGAL. Fact.

DiFi's husband makes mega millions from defense contracts. That's ALL I need to know! THEY have blood on their hands. YES! Fact. If you want the info on DiFi's husband, do your own Google search. I'm not doing your work for you. That information has been posted on this board forever. Fact. Do your own search.

I take the word of a LONG TIME Duer, before I do yours on Hillary. Sorry.:eyes: Fact.

I just love the Joe McCarthy comparison. :rofl::rofl:

The DLC is BAD for our party. Fact.

[SaveElmer]

82. Rhetoric, rhetoric rhetoric...

Unproven allegations, black listing, obfuscation, and McCarthyism...

Your MO does not change!!!

[bloom]

143. That is ridiculous (Vilsack)

As far as the list goes and the DLC in general - it is telling when the politicians who have been leaders of it are the worst of the lot. People like Lieberman, Bayh.


The McCarthyism nonsense is ridiculous as well. The DLC shames its own self with the stuff that they print. And they hate the "loony left" - so why would the "left" - really anyone who is against the war - like them??? :shrug: Sheesh.

[Armstead]

45. No it's not "twisted." The DLC has a clear agenda.

That agenda is contrary to what many liberals believe in. It is an attempt to distort the Democrats role in the political system by pushing the party to positions that are closer to conservatism than to liberalism.

It is the equivalent of a Democrat being a member of the heritage Foundation or the federalist Society. Their membership and support of the DLC implies support for the goal of changing the democrats from being a liberal alternative to a party that supports the same Corporate Status Quo as the republicans.

If these politicians think that is a valid goal, then they are entitled to believe that. But we are entitled to know that, and to object to it, if it diliutes the idea of a two-party system.

[drm604]

31. Rather than issuing a blanket condemnation of everyone on that list

we might want to consider that some might be there to try to influence the direction of the DLC.

In fact, maybe we shold be encouraging those Democrats that we like to join. The DLC is obviously a powerful force in the Democratic party so let's take it over!

[Mass]

35. Also consider that some may still be in the list and not be in agreement

with the DLC objectives anymore.

The DLC has the habit of listing people forever in their list as long as these people are elected officials (Edwards and Dean were in this list until they stopped being elected officials) or until they ask to be dropped off the list very loudly (Obama).

[yodermon]

60. If I remember correctly,

Obama was listed completely without his knowledge or consent.
Strange, eh?

Here http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/3/16/113148/885
and here http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/4/8/102/32777

("oh yeah, we'll get Obama. Go ahead and put 'im on the list").

I increasingly believe the DLC is a political false-flag, black-ops organization full of double agents and corporatist agents provacateurs esp. in light of their latest bullshit.

[SaveElmer]

36. The DLC is not the Politburo...

They have no real mechanism for enforcing any policy position. Some of the strongest critics of the program are DLC members (Kerry, Feinstein, Clinton)...the level of control people ascribe to the DLC is way overblown...

They are good at fundraising, and organizaing, and the imprimatur of the DLC helps candidates in some races, but they are far from monolithic...

[Freddie Stubbs]

34. Too bad it leaves off former elected officials

[robcon]

38. The guilt by association is regrettable

It's easy to attack a DLC member's point of view, and ascribing that point of view to all DLC members.

But that is guilt by association, and is a deadly alternative to clear political thinking.

[Jujiman]

148. Clinton Supported Nafta!

NAFTA has been a TOTAL FAILURE! Good Jobs? NO! All "exported".

Now we all support COMMUNIST CHINA! Pro-democracy chinese slaves

are manufacturing our "stuff". Wow, so now we are all "SLAVEDRIVERS".

Like it or NOT!

:shrug:

[SOS]

58. Here's an interesting juxtaposition

Look at the photo of Clinton behind the DLC lectern and then read this article by Jeff Faux from last week's Nation. It makes a nice caption:

"It's impossible to understand why Democratic Party leaders collaborated with Republicans to establish NAFTA unless reference is made to cross-border class interests. There was no compelling economic or political reason for Bill Clinton to make NAFTA a priority in his first year as President. In economic terms, nothing was broken that needed fixing. Politically, NAFTA and the WTO that followed traded away the interests of the Democratic Party's blue-collar electoral base while creating a bonanza for Republican constituencies on Wall Street and in red-state agribusiness.

But Clinton was more Davos than Democrat. Tutored by financier Robert Rubin, a prodigious fundraiser who became his Treasury Secretary, Clinton embraced a reactionary, pre-New Deal vision of a global future in which corporate investors were unregulated and the social contract was history. "NAFTA happened," said the then-chairman of American Express, "because of the drive Bill Clinton gave it. He stood up against his two prime constituents, labor and environment, to drive it home over their dead bodies."

A year later, in November 1994, enough angry Democratic voters stayed away from the polls to give the Republicans control of the House. Since then, many working-class Americans, feeling abandoned by the Democrats, have responded to the Republican definition of class struggle as a fight over gun control, school prayer and abortion. The Democrats have still not recovered."

http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20060213&s=faux

[Jujiman]

150. That's What I'm SAYING!

Thank you for posting. This has been what I'm talking about.

"The Democrats have STILL not recovered".

We were SOLD OUT by Clinton, by his backing the "class interests",

through NAFTA. Time to WAKE-UP & smell the FASCISM!

:grr:

[AnnInLa]

40. While the list is interesting,

I will continue to look at each as individuals....their voting records, their stances on issues that I find important, and who is running against them in primaries, and in general elections. Instead of boycotting them altogether, it is important to convince them of the importance of the Progressive viewpoints on different matters.

[peacetalksforall]

41. Bankruptcy. I think if you checked this list you would find all the people

who VOTED for the bankruptcy bill on this list and didn't those who voted for it never peep with a concerned word for all the people who would be hurt. Just how Democratic was that?

And the reason stated - there were abusers. That is an old teacher-witch trick - punish everyone because of one errant student rather than address the abuser.

[Mass]

48. Wrong - Reid, Salazar, Byrd are not in this list

This is exactly the point. Look at the votes, not at a list. Granted, this list has some of the most conservative Democrats in it, but others who are as bad are not in the list and some who are in the list are not half bad (Spitzer for another example).

[in_cog_ni_to]

54. That's the POINT. Now we know who the CONSERVATIVE "Democrats" are

we know which aren't as bad. This list explains a hell of a lot about how some of these people vote. Me thinks the list upsets some DLC supporters because "THEIR" guy/gal is on the list. Oh well. They're the member, not me. This list makes it much easier to narrow down the who's who in Congress. Why did that Senator vote for that? LOOK AT THE LIST, you'll know why.

LIBERAL Democrats are NOT on the list. Why? Kennedy, Durbin, Bernie Sanders, Sheila Jackson Lee, John Conyers, Maxine Waters, Jim McDermott, Sherrod Brown, Patrick Leahy, Carl Levin, Barbara Boxer, ect.... WHY NOT? THAT is the question and a GOOD question at that.

[Mass]

59. How do you define that Durbin, Levin, or Leahy are more or less

liberal than Kerry, Spitzer, ...? Are Murray and Reid more liberal than them?


This is BS and you know it. This is power struggle at his highest by people who do not care about people. While you are fighting like that, Leahy (who is not a DLC member) is sponsoring the "Save Halliburton Abestos" Bill. Did you call him or is it fine because he is not DLC.

And I am far from being a DLC supporter if by that you mean I agree with From or Vilsak. I just dismiss this type of blanket endictment that is just uselessly as divisive as From. You belong in the same league.

[in_cog_ni_to]

65. Good. Dismiss it and don't click on the thread. Sorry your GUY is on it.

:eyes:

Leahy got an email and phone call from me yesterday, yes. So, now what? :eyes:

Look at how they vote, look at the list and it will explain a LOT. Period. D The DLC is BAD for our party. PERIOD.

[onenote]

84. Yep, it hurts the party to keep electing these DLCers

we'd be so better off if repubs were elected in their place (which is likely what would happen in a lot of the states where these folks come from).

:sarcasm:

onenote

[onenote]

81. how do you define "conservative"

Is it a 100% purity thing? If Kennedy or Durbin or Boxer vote the same way as Lieberman and Kerry, does that make Kennedy/Durbin/Boxer "conservative" or does it make Lieberman and Kerry liberal? How many times do they have to vote the same way? What if, heaven forbid, Boxer, Durbin, or Kennedy differ from each other on a vote. Do we kick one of them out the "liberal" club?

We need clearer rules if we're going to start attaching labels and blacklisting those who don't measure up.

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[karynnj]

140. This makes no sense

Kerry does not vote with Lieberman. He does vote about 96% of the time with Kennedy. Why do you think that almost 4 years out Kennedy was already pushing Kerry to run for President again?
Do correlations - Kerry is clearly on the liberal side.

He is the one who took the risk of pushing the Alito filibuster with Kennedy. Some of the non-DLC liberals on the judiciary committee (who I like- such as Feingold or Durbin) didn't step up -even though had they have done so a few weeks before Kerry (as a non member could), it might have worked.

[onenote]

169. did you bother to check to see if what you wrote is true? I doubt it.

The Americans for Democratic Action annually produces a voting record rating that is generally regarded as a measure of a Senator's support for liberal positions. In 2002, Kerry voted the same way as Kennedy on 85 percent of the 20 listed votes. Lieberman...also 85 percent consistent with Kennedy. In 2003, Kennedy voted the same way as DLCer Feinstein 19 out of 20 times and the same as DLCer Chris Dodd 20 out of 20. Lieberman skipped 6 votes, but of the 14 times he voted, he and Kennedy voted the same way each time. (Kerry skipped 3 votes and was in line with Kennedy on all the other votes). Finally, in 2004, DLCers Cantwell, Carper, Lincoln, and Dorgan voted the same way as Kennedy 19 out of 20 times. DLCers Feinstein and Dodd: 100 percent of the time. Lieberman was the renegade. He skipped one vote and was consistent with Kennedy only 80 percent of the time.

So if there is anything doesn't make sense, its the broad brush labelling that goes on when people try to demonize all DLCers.

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[onenote]

76. you obviously didn't check the list yourself..try learning before speaking

Eighteen Democrats voted for the Bankruptcy bill, and one third of them were NOT on the DLC list. And, one quarter of the Democrats who voted AGAINST the Bankruptcy bill are DLC members, including Cantwell, Dodd, DOrgan, Feinstein, Kerry and Lieberman.

See, that's the problem with tarring everyone with a broad brush. There is no unified DLC bloc. Many DLC members have quite admirable records on labor and consumer issues, on the environment, and on other "Democratic" causes.

Its also the problem with posting information without checking it. I'm glad you suggested that we check the list against the Bankruptcy vote. Of course, if you had bothered to do so yourself, you probably would've spared us your baseless post.

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[karynnj]

139. Of the top of my head; Kerry voted against, Biden for

[Mass]

43. Old list still list Warner as the VA governor.

This list has been off the DLC website for a few months now. I wonder why?

[in_cog_ni_to]

50. Is he still a member though? THAT is the issue.

Not that he's on there listed as Governor still. Is he still a member? I'll google that for you.:eyes:

Well, it looks like he IS still a member. Your point is moot.
http://www.draftmarkwarner.com/blogger.html

[karynnj]

141. If he's out of office - no

Because it's only office holders.

[peacetalksforall]

44. Dont forget. The people who work for the DLC and the ones on this

list are the ones who get invited to speak on right wing propaganda shows and who cozy up and show little representation for the little people of the party - they play a political game on a level that is way out in left field compared to the real issues of the people.

I agree with someone who posted - Dorgan less than others. But he showed his DLC side in the vote last week.

[Catrina]

55. Gov. Richardson! I was so disappointed in him after the election

last year. He set the price so high for a recount it became impossible for those trying to determine what went wrong in his state. I couldn't believe that in a state where there was a 'Democrat' the fight was so hard to verify the vote.

I think I understand a lot about the frustration I feel now, each time I see one of those Democrats on television and wait for them to fight for what's right, and then feel completely let down. The first time was Hillary's vote for the IWR.

Who funds them? Who raises their funding? That might be interesting to find out.

While I will judge people by their record, this does definitely explain a lot about the positions almost all of those on that list have taken.

Anti-Chavez, Pro-War eg ~ those who want to could leave.

I see nothing wrong with being informed ~ we have a list of Republicans why not a list of Republican lites? At least we KNOW what to expect of Republicans. I will not be disappointed anymore in these politicians. The DLC allows them sometimes to vote for a Democratic issue, but usually NOT when their vote would change anything ~

[EC]

49. Well, I don't agree with many of DLC's stances, BUT

there are a lot of names on there that have done really good things...how can we believe that Corporate Interests take precedent when people like Eliot Spitzer, State Attorney General, NY is on this list? He's done more to stop corruption than anyone. And Governor Jim Doyle and Jennifer Granholm have done many good things for their states including the new Health Care Initiatives. So I guess just as with anything, we have to study their individual records and vote accordingly and not just dismiss them because they are DLC.

[OKNancy]

53. I'll take any one of those on the list - I'll trade them for

Inhofe and Coburn.

[bklyncowgirl]

57. Rush Holt's voting record's about as good as they get.

Solidly against the Iraq war and has sponsored a bill that would require paper trails and open source software on all voting machines.

While I agree with alot of the people on that list, I wouldn't condemn the entire lot.

[mdmc]

64. Holt rules

:kick:

[peacetalksforall]

62. in_cog_ni_to ... if you are in to this, could you take this list and

combine itwith the one that appeared here during the last week - the one that contained the list of big corporations who supported the DLC - plus - a list of staff and spokesperson? The three would be a wonderful tool to try to understand what is going on and why my stomach is turning over when I learn about a vote or hear one of them wimping words on a right wing show or backslapping with a dangerous person. Sorry if my request is too demanding.

I think I came up with a new label while making this request.

WORD WIMPERs AND WASTERS - for those who go on right wing tv and cable programs and joke their advantage away while some disadvantaged citizen is getting kicked out of something they deserve and received before the right wing took them down.

Maybe word wimping wasters who wash out the cause.

[in_cog_ni_to]

67. The Vilsack idiotic remark

sparked my Google search for the DLC list. What Democrat in their right mind would think coming out against illegal wiretapping is a bad thing???!!!!:grr: I didn't make the list myself.:) I wouldn't know where to begin with corporations, staff people or spokespersons.

[tritsofme]

66. Well I'm sure as shit proud to have DLC Congresswoman Melissa Bean as my

congresswoman, since the Republican she beat had been there since Rumsfeld left the seat to go work for Nixon.

Imagine, DLC Democrats winning in extremely conservative districts...

[in_cog_ni_to]

68. Right. I donated to Bean because Wes Clark asked me to. Never again...

07/31/05 The single Illinois Congressperson who voted for CAFTA ... The single Illinois Congressperson who voted for CAFTA was Melissa Bean, 8th Dist.

Maybe the 8th District can find a Liberal Democrat to run next time.

[tritsofme]

89. Maybe they can find a Liberal Democrat

to run next time, and lose?

I'll take Melissa Bean who will vote for Speaker Pelosi over GOP wacko McSweeney any day of the week.

This is a conservative district, and "Liberal Democrats" don't win.

[Name removed]

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[in_cog_ni_to]

72. Stupid meme. Think of a new one. It's not pertinent.

What? You have a buzzer on your computer that goes off when a anti-DLC thread is posted? You never miss a chance to sing their praises.:eyes:

[Name removed]

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[in_cog_ni_to]

85. Right. The DLC is BAD for our Party.

Accept it. It's a fact.

[MrBenchley]

87. An enemies list...

and a bunch of very silly kool kidz to make up his half-assed lynch mob.....sure is "progressive" all rightaroonie.....

Somehow I suspect Hillary Clinton will survive this impotent ranting......

[in_cog_ni_to]

97. all rightaroonie?

:rofl::rofl: OK. :eyes:

[Name removed]

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[in_cog_ni_to]

105. LOL...trying to get this thread locked too, are you?

If you don't like the thread, don't click on it.

[MrBenchley]

110. You got an enemies list and a half-assed lynch mob....

I don't see any reason to let anyone slander Democrats like Rush Holt and Hillary Clinton. Least of all YOU.

[in_cog_ni_to]

113. ENEMIES list? It's a list from your beloved DLC WEB SITE!

:eyes: I'm not going to let you get this thread locked like you did the last one. I'm on to your modus operandi.:eyes:

[MrBenchley]

115. Which you declared was an enemies list

so you could toss out mindless slurs against people like Eliot Spitzer, Christopher Dodd and Diane Feinstein.

And your modus operandi got stale a long time ago when McCarthy was pulling it.

[in_cog_ni_to]

121. Where in my OP do you see the words..."Enemies List"....SHOW ME.

:eyes:

[mtnsnake]

187. Hey MrB

Don't ya know by now that ya gotta watch what you say to in_cog_ni_to? Say anything at all borderline and he runs like a little baby to the mods to get your post deleted.

What I'd like to know is who the hell died and left HIM lord of the Democratic Party.

[Name removed]

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[peacetalksforall]

136. The DLC is found in the bed of the right wing TOOOOOO many times.nt

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

95. Uhhh...the "list" came from the DLC.

Are the members listed ashamed or afraid of being identified with the DLC?

[in_cog_ni_to]

107. If the members aren't ashamed, their supporters ARE.

sheesh. Talk about defensive. :eyes:

[SOS]

119. Yeah

Posting the informative DLC membership roster (from their site) is exactly the same thing as the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations and accusing General Marshall of treason.

:crazy:

[cascadiance]

73. Once we put in place public financing, we should revisit this list...

The system itself now is so corrupt, that I can understand why some align themselves with this cancer in order to stay in office. The key is to find out who doesn't try to get rid of this cancer from themselves once they've been "freed" by public financing money, if we can get "clean elections" to be put in place nationally. If there isn't a revolution within the DLC itself to throw off it's corporate bribery chains then, that is the time to look at who is in bed with the DLC and confirm their excommunication at that time through the ballot box!

[Idioteque]

75. Just because somebody is on that list doesn't make them bad.

Many of the people on the list, including Brian Baird, Byron Dorgan, David Wu, Loretta Sanchez, Rush Holt, Jim Moran, and Jay Inslee are great Democrats.

I think a lot of Democrats join the DLC because they support free trade. The DLC does have some decent ideas. There problem is when they attack fellow Democrats.

[Adelante]

78. I'm not in favor of this, Incog

I love you, but I disagree with this tactic.

Going after individual pols on policy issues you disagree with is fair. Showing individual voting records or statements to prove a point would be fair. Running a list of names because they belong to a segment of the party that you don't like is not fair, it is harmful and undemocratic. Fairest of all, and smartest of all, is going after Republicans.

Please don't be mad at me :hug:

[in_cog_ni_to]

94. Mad at you?

NEVER. :hug:

We will just have to agree to disagree on this one. IMCPO, the DLC is BAD for our party.

Landrieu, Lieberman, Nelson, Nelson, Harmann, DiFi ....this list explains a lot to me and why they vote the way they do. The DLC is tearing our party apart.

[cascadiance]

112. I think we need to be careful with this list too...

As some have noted here, much as many of us feel that the DLC itself is a cancer to the Democratic Party (myself included!), there are some politicians here who I'm guessing feel that their affiliation with them is a "necessary" evil (much like our campaign financing laws are a "necessary" evil too at this time), and that they want to work within the system to make it better. Many of course thrive on this cancerous DLC gravy train and really don't care as much about representing their constituents. The latter I want to weed out as much as you do, but I think we still need to look at them as individuals. At some point it wouldn't hurt to ask them about the nature of their relationship with the DLC, and if they support all of the stances and ways of doing business the DLC does have, and if not, why are they still affiliated with them.

Many may not want to answer these questions fully, or might not want to acknowledge their feelings publicly about the DLC, even if they really might want to have a "divorce" from them too, but it might be useful at some point of getting some idea on how they feel about it individually.

[Adelante]

118. Individual is key... for now

What we don't need is a divided party going into 2006 and on to 2008. I'm very much in favor of party reform the way Chairman Dean is carrying it out, 50 states from the bottom up. It's slower and maybe less emotionally satisfying, but it is sure. This is smarter and more useful politics than trying to drum the DLC or any group out of the party. We need every Democrat we can get, even if we hate them. We have to concentrate on getting more and more Democrats in office, not fewer. Let's get the country away from the Repugs and fight among ourselves once it can be a more effective fight.

[cascadiance]

120. I still might vote for more progressive candidates in primaries now...

and use whether the candidates have relationships with the DLC as a dividing line between Dems. I'm going to look at Cindy Sheehan and any others that might be running against Feinstein. Even if Feinstein still wins the primary, a good showing by an opponent like Sheehan will put her on notice that she had better start paying better attention to her base if she doesn't want to lose the primary next time. But voting a Republican over even a DLC Dem at this point isn't the right approach, unless someone like Bernie Sanders is running in the race as an alternative.

[Adelante]

123. I'm opposed to anybody running against sitting Dems

I think we just don't have time for it. But I respect your personal decision, for sure.

[Adelante]

114. Thanks, sweetie

:pals:

[mandyky]

79. Not everyone who is a member of the DLC is a DINO or an idiot

I think Howard Dean used to be a member. I really dislike the DLC on many things.

It's nice to have a list but I ain't gonna hold it against people like Lorretta Sanchez.

[in_cog_ni_to]

102. I like it for the purpose of watching how they vote.

I will be VERY interesting to compare who votes for what and who has already voted one way or another. :hi:

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

88. God, enough of this shit.

Christ, don't you people have anything better to do?

[Jujiman]

159. Why Do DLC Supporters have Such Bad Language?

I've now seen 4 threads where DLC supporters are "VERBALLY ABUSIVE".

I've not seen it the other way.

Why are they so FOULMOUTHED?

:shrug:

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

176. What makes you think I'm a DLC supporter?

Or is anyone who disagrees with the tactics of the OP automatically a DLC supporter?

[Nutmegger]

91. LIEberman...

Ugh... No, you don't need to say more. :eyes:

[donheld]

92. Their names on a list - does that really mean much?

Not to me it doesn't. How do they vote? that's what counts.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

93. The "not as bad" party's founders and supporters. Thanks for the list.

I see the usual "not as bad" supporters are here attacking you for posting the DLC's own list.

[in_cog_ni_to]

96. : ) They LOVE me. They know they do.

;)

You're welcome, BTW. :hi:

[earth mom]

99. Thanks for showing in black in white who the sell outs are.

These people could care less about democracy or the people! It's all about greed to benefit their corporate masters! :puke:

BTW-The denial of some on this thread is simply unbelievable. :eyes:

[in_cog_ni_to]

109. Isn't it?!!! ESPECIALLY in light of what Vilsak said!

My g-d! Some people will defend ANYTHING.

[onenote]

111. Do you know anything about their voting records?

Do you know the position of any of the listed DLCers on environmental issues, labor issues, consumer issues, etc. You should do some homework.

onenote

[bloom]

171. "Homework" for the DLC apologists

To ensure that liberals don't slip through the cracks, NDN requires each politician who seeks entree to its largesse and contacts to fill out a questionnaire that asks his or her views on trade, economics, education, welfare reform, and other issues. The questions are detailed, forcing candidates to state clearly whether or not they support views associated with the New Democrat Coalition, and it concludes by asking, "Will you join the NDC when you come to Congress?" Next, Rosenberg interviews each candidate, and then NDN determines which candidacies are viable before providing financial support.

Sitting in his office at the DLC's bustling headquarters a few blocks southeast of the Capitol along Pennsylvania Avenue, Al From vigorously rejects the idea that the DLC shapes its views to cultivate its donors: "Anybody who's familiar with the DLC knows that we do what we think is right."

http://www.prospect.org/print/V12/7/dreyfuss-r.html


From way back when:

LINKS - What every DUer and every Dem needs to know about the DLC

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=4443&forum=DCForumID22&archive=

[Zhade]

181. Do your own homework. Start with post #171, below yours.

Then investigate who gives to the DLC's leadership committees.

God, you apologists are fucking clueless.

[Gormy Cuss]

100. Nope. I'll stick with my DLC Congresswoman.

Ellen Tauscher is the epitome of DLC and blue dog Democrats. Any one to the left of her is unelectable in this district. Before her, this district was notorious for unevolved conservative Republican representation. Would I vote for her for Senator or a national office? Hell no.

She has moved to the left of moderate along with her district. I expect that if she stays for two more terms we might have enough left voters here to get a real liberal to replace her.

[lumpy]

104. Sorry, I'll vote for any member of

of DLC that I see fit to vote for. Who is behind this this drive to divide the Democratic Party ? This is BS.

[Cleita]

108. Lois Capps used to be my rep before I got gerrymandered into

a repukes district. She's a nurse and works hard for the senior citizens and children of her district to get them what they need. I haven't checked her voting record since I lost her but she's pretty liberal. I'm surprised she's DLC.

[onenote]

122. Let's hear it for the new "Know Nothings"

Not the DLC, mind you. Rather, I'm referring to those who would endorse "blacklisting" anyone who is a member of the DLC and who suggest that electing a republican would be better than electing a DLCer.

They know nothing about the voting records of the DLCers as compared to repubs.

They know nothing about political realities, ignoring the fact that more progressive candidates cannot get elected in a lot of the states/districts where DLCers win.

They know nothing about the history of the Democratic Party, pretending that the current party is a departure from some halcyon era where the Democratic Party was unabashedly and uniformly liberal, ignoring the fact that in the era when the Democrats held a majority of COngress, they did so because a large number of conservative southerners were Democrats.

onenote

[in_cog_ni_to]

130. I have not seen ONE post calling for a "Blacklist", I'm afraid. THAT meme

came from the DLC supporters. Sorry. Blacklist and McCarthy is the DLC supporter's new little meme.:eyes: Show me one post where someone said they wanted anyone on the list, "Blacklisted".

As usual, the DLC supporters have to throw in the slurs, name calling, say that people posted things that haven't been posted and fight the Liberal Democratic Party. What a shame. Now, we're "Know Nothings?" Hasn't enough damage been done by the DLC? How much more of their crap are their supporters willing to support?

Coming out against illegal wiretapping is going to hurt the Democratic party?????? OMG. THAT is just over-the-line. Enough is enough.

[onenote]

134. What do you think a blacklist is?

What the OP said was "This list should be forever pasted on the FRONT PAGE of DU so we know who NEVER to support in local, State and Nationwide elections." If that isn't calling for the DLC members to be blacklisted, then I don't know what is. Here's a definition: Blacklist: "A list of persons or organizations that have incurred disapproval or suspicion or are to be boycotted or otherwise penalized."

So spare me your "hey look over there" response. Its about as convincing as Gonzo's testimony that the law doesn't expressly make it illegal for the president to wiretap US citizens without a warrant. I'd be more convinced if you (and the others acting as if the DLC was some sort of monolithic entity that has transformed a once uniformly liberal Democratic party into a shadow of the repubs) could tell me when this version of the Democratic party existed, or could tell me something about the politics in a state like Nebraska of the Dakotas, or indicated some knowledge of the overall voting record of various DLCers when compared to even a moderate repub.

onenote

[in_cog_ni_to]

Vilsak, Lieberman, Landrieu, Nelson, Nelson...That's all I need to say.

YOU know their voting records. YOU know they're conservative. This is The DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND. It is NOT The DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP COUNCIL UNDERGROUND. That organization has destroyed our party. Period.

I know the "sensible center" doesn't like hearing it, but it's the truth.

Coming out against the ILLEGAL wiretapping will hurt the Democratic Party??? OMG. Says who? The DLC!:eyes:

Moderate repuke? OK... Let's count them....Snowe, Collins and Chaffey. :wow: they have 3!! Look at the above list....a few more than 3.:eyes:

I'm sick as shit of the DLC's bullshit and I just love how their supporters like splitting up the party. Interesting.

[onenote]

149. "splitting up the party"? the party has always covered a wide range

When was the Democratic Party the monolithic progressive entity you seem to think it was?

And I do know the voting records of the DLCers, and I"ll take it over the voting records of repubs any day of the week.

Does that mean I support every thing a DLCer does? Of course not. Do I wish some of them were more progressive? Absolutely. But would I prefer a repub to any of them...not a chance. And do I think that a more progressive Democrat has a chance of getting elected in place of any of them? Possibly some, but definitly not all or even most, which is why a blanket condemnation of them all is so ridiculous.

onenote

PS -- Since you didn't respond on the issue of whether the OP effectively called for the "blacklisting" of DLC members, I take it you now understand what a blacklist is.

[Zhade]

182. Wait, you're feeling nostalgic for DIXIECRATS?

You bemoan the loss of racists helping make that majority?

[FreedomAngel82]

124. JOHN KERRY IS NOT DLC ANYMORE!

He hasn't been affiliated with this group since 2003! This is AN OLD LIST! And you can't go around and say that people are bad just because they are affiliated with a particular group. If I hang around people who do drugs does that mean I do drugs? HELL NO! I'm tired of this crap. YOU GET PEOPLE FOR THEIR INDIVIDUAL ACTIONS AND DEEDS. NOT WHO THEY AFFILIATED THEMSELVES WITH. STOP ACTING LIKE CHILDREN WITH THIS NONSENSE!

[Swamp Rat]

129. Yeah! Kerry escaped the Lizard Lab!

He's still human! :D

[in_cog_ni_to]

133. It's from their web site. I copied and pasted THEIR list.

I'm glad Kerry had the sense to quit. That's encouraging.

[bloom]

146. I think it is reasonable that Democrats

not join groups that spout bigoted ideas, for instance or anti-feminist ones. The DLC is very much pro pre-emptive war. And they want more troops sent to the Middle East, etc. Democrats who are peace-loving people would not join that group - if they had any sense.

So they are either pro-pre-emptive-war or they don't have any sense - as far as I'm concerned. Neither are qualities that I look for in a politician.


And Vilsack wants us to ignore wiretapping. I suppose we are supposed to ignore torture and white phosphorus and signing statements and the whole thing.

[Jujiman]

166. This Was Covered Up In The Thread!

Kerry CONCEDED the friggin 2004 election BEFORE THE VOTES WERE COUNTED!

Isn't THAT deed enough for you? Especially after claiming he would do

NO SUCH THING! What does it take? That's at least the last two elections,

that were blatantly stolen...and Kerry GAVE UP!!

So what if it's a few years old? If the shoe fits!!!

You claim to be "tired of this CRAP", well don't you think that others,

who care about the Democratic Party are sick of the CONCESSIONS made

to Repugs, by the DLC? No one said ALL the people were 100% bad on the list.

The poster actually said to look at their voting record AS WELL!

This isn't "nonsense", B.T.W. and NOBODY is acting "childish", except for

the closet freeptard pottymouth brigade!

:eyes:

[eyepaddle]

127. Thanks for the list

and I've bookmarked this thread.

[in_cog_ni_to]

131. You're welcome.

:hi: It should be very useful.

[Love Bug]

128. Randy Kelley is no longer mayor of St. Paul

The people of St. Paul had the good sense to vote in a REAL democrat last fall to replace Kelley. Of course, Kelley's endorsement of * in 04 had something to do with that...

[in_cog_ni_to]

132. Good for St. Paul! That's what I like to hear! REAL Democrats being voted

for! SEE! It CAN happen!:thumbsup: to St. Paul. Kelley, a DEMOCRAT endorsed BUSH???!!!!#$%^%$#@ OMG.

This is the list from the DLC web site. I guess they don't update very often.

[incapsulated]

138. As much as I despise the DLC, I don't agree with this tactic

I think we need to encourage them to leave that little cabal rather than write them off, period. There are some decent people on that list that need a talking to, but who are otherwise good Dems. Help them get money and support some other way. If they have no good reason to continue, let them know this is unacceptable.

That said, there is no way in hell I'm supporting a DLC'er in the primaries in 2008.

[Blue Belle]

142. You forgot to highlight Darlene Hooley....

She's a Congress Woman Representing Oregon's 5th District. And she's sold us down the river couple of times... mainly on the Bankruptcy bill.

[in_cog_ni_to]

145. Thanks for pointing that out, but it's too late to edit.

:(

[mzmolly]

144. Na, I prefer to look at ones voting record.

But, thanks for the list. :hi:

[bvar22]

147. Thanks for the list!

I was unable to find a membership list for the DLC after the Alito vote. The DLC changed their website from the old NDOL site. On the old NDOL (New Democrats Online), the "Search for Members" was on the front page. The DLC was proud of its membership. After the CAFTA, Credit Card, Tort Reform disgraces, it became more difficult to determine membership.

Like most reptiles, the DLC sheds its skin periodically. The DLC cancer manifests itself in different forms to camouflage it's toxicity...
DLC
3rd Way Democrats
New Democrats
PPI (Progressive Policy Institute) (HAH! As Orwellian as the NeoCons)
DCCC (Direct ties to DLC)

I agree with several posters above. This list should not be used exclusively to condemn politicians, but is a GREAT place to start.
It IS better than using the voting records. The Alito vote is a wonderful example of how OUR Democrats can disguidse their voting records.

This is a good website for "Weighted" voting records.

http://patrickhenrythinktank.org/house-score8.html

http://patrickhenrythinktank.org/sen-score7.html

[LittleClarkie]

152. No shit about Vilsack. He's one of their leaders.

Where did you find that list? I just did a search, and the only link I could find doesn't work. So I put in an email to ask who the 20 Senators are, specifically if Kerry's still there.

But if someone like Dodd or someone else does good work, I'm not going to collapse in grief that they're on the list.

And I'm not campaigning against my own governor when the asshat Republican running against him would be ten times worse. Nor one of my Senators. If an alternate candidate presents himself, then okay. But until then, I'll support a Dem over a Repub.

I agree that's probably an old list. Like I said, the only link I could find to it was broken. So they're probably revising it. Should be interesting when they put the list back up to see who's on it.

[in_cog_ni_to]

154. I think I Googled "Democratic Leadersip Council membership list"

and found it.

I can't wait to see the new list.:eyes:

[LittleClarkie]

160. You'll see what I mean about it being old if you click on

the words "New Dem Directory" between "About NDOL" and "Contact us" You get a 404 page not found message.

And on other pages they talk about 20 Dems being in the DLC. The list there only shows 19.

It's old.

[derby378]

155. You know, I never realized that Kerry was DLC until this very moment

Suddenly, a lot of questions I've had about the 2004 Democratic Presidential Primary are starting to fall into place. Al From finally got his wish - smashing Howard Dean's campaign so that a DLC-friendly candidate could get the nod.

Kerry may not have been in the DLC when he ran, but he still had plenty of friends there. No wonder his campaign played so much like "business as usual" while us grassroots folks were encouraging him to give the campaign some bite.

[in_cog_ni_to]

156. I know. This list answers a lot of questions. EXCEPT,

I have been blaming the DNC for Dean's downfall and Kerry being the candidate. I suppose they could have joined forces "for the cause?" :shrug:

[WildEyedLiberal]

173. YAWN - more baseless crap

Explain to me how this "answers all your questions"? Kerry had one of the absolute most progressive records of 2005 and a lifetime rating as one of the top ten liberals in the Senate.

Your post is disingenuous. Gee, who filibustered Alito? Who voiceiferously opposed Bolton, Roberts, and ANWR drilling? Which "Democratic strategists" do you think were trying to ridicule Kerry all year? Hint: not the progressive faction.

[derby378]

177. Still, Kerry's campaign seemed a bit lackluster to me

We were in the middle of a full-scale national emergency, and to me, it just didn't seem like Kerry was giving it his all and mobilizing the grassroots like he could have.

[dysfunctional press]

158. what about their golden boy- John Edwards...?

is he off the reservation, or just excluded from the list since he no longer holds any elected office...?

[in_cog_ni_to]

163. I guess you have to hold office to be a "member" and since he gave up

his seat...he's not a member. That's what someone up thread said.

[LSdemocrat]

161. You do realize that the DLC just puts people on their list?

Obama found out he was on the DLC's member list from the media. Once he heard about it he made the DLC take his name off. So there may be people on this list who took no affirmative step to get on this list.

[in_cog_ni_to]

162. Then they should tell the DLC to take them off like Obama did?

:shrug:

[LSdemocrat]

164. All I'm saying is that some may not know they are on the DLC's list

[bloom]

165. How much of the DLC

is really these people:

DLC Spokespersons:

Al From, founder and chief executive officer of the DLC.
Bruce Reed, president of the DLC.
Holly Page, vice president for strategic development for the DLC.
Ed Kilgore, vice president for policy for the DLC.
Debbie Cox Bultan, chief of staff for the DLC.
Marshall Wittmann, senior fellow.

PPI Spokespersons:

Will Marshall, president and co-founder of the Progressive Policy Institute.
Rob Atkinson, vice president of the Progressive Policy Institute and director of PPI's Technology & New Economy Project.
Paul Weinstein Jr., chief operating officer of the Progressive Policy Institute and PPI senior fellow, covering issues of pension and tax reform, transportation policy, and corporate responsibility.
John Cohen, director of PPI's Community Crime Fighting Project.
Edward Gresser, director of PPI's Trade and Global Markets Project.
David Kendall, director of PPI's Health Priorities Project.
Jan Mazurek, director of PPI's Energy and The Environment Project.
Steven Nider, director of foreign and security studies.
Andrew Rotherham, senior fellow for PPI's 21st Century Schools Project.
Fred Siegel, PPI senior fellow, covering urban issues, smart growth, and transportation.
Marshall Wittmann, PPI senior fellow.

---------

And that they buy the politicians to give credibility to their ideas.

It is odd that they would not include an updated list - the 20? Senate members. (If there is a list I couldn't find it). Maybe most of them don't want people to know???

December 1, 2001
About the Senate New Democrat Coalition
Senators Evan Bayh (IN), Bob Graham (FL), Mary Landrieu (LA), Joe Lieberman (CT) and Blanche Lincoln (AR) founded the Senate New Democrat Coalition (SNDC) in the spring of 2000 to provide a unified voice in the U.S. Senate for progressive ideas, mainstream values, and innovative, market-based policy solutions.

In just over a year, the SNDC has quickly become the strongest and most unified Democratic group in the Senate. With long-time leaders like John Breaux (LA), and a strong class of freshman from the class of 2000 -- including Jean Carnahan (MO), Tom Carper (DE), Ben Nelson (NE), Bill Nelson (FL) and Debbie Stabenow (MI) -- the SNDC's ranks have expanded to 20 members.

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=250061&kaid=103&subid=111


On edit - I did a search off of your link and got this (18 names - down 2 from 2001 :shrug: ):

Max Baucus, U.S. Senator, MT
Evan Bayh, U.S. Senator, IN
Maria Cantwell, U.S. Senator, WA
Tom Carper, U.S. Senator, DE
Hillary Clinton, U.S. Senator, NY
Kent Conrad, U.S. Senator, ND
Byron Dorgan, U.S. Senator, ND
Dianne Feinstein, U.S. Senator, CA
Tim Johnson, U.S. Senator, SD
John Kerry, U.S. Senator, MA
Herb Kohl, U.S. Senator, WI
Mary Landrieu, U.S. Senator, LA
Joe Lieberman, U.S. Senator, CT
Blanche Lincoln, U.S. Senator, AR
Bill Nelson, U.S. Senator, FL
Ben Nelson, U.S. Senator, NE
Mark Pryor, U.S. Senator, AR
Debbie Stabenow, U.S. Senator, MI


http://www.dlc.org/new_dem_dir_action.cfm


P.S. Kerry still shows up in a search - if he really isn't in it - he should ask to get taken out of their search engine.

[Mass]

167. The link you list gives an error

[bloom]

168. You can try

going the link in the OP

http://www.dlc.org/new_dem_dir_action.cfm?viewAll=1

and scrolling to the bottom of the page to:

New Dem Organization

and selecting the affiliate group of your choice - ie. Senate New Democrat Coalition

[Hissyspit]

172. Congrats on 20,000 posts, in_cog_ni_to!!

:toast:
:woohoo:
:applause:
:bounce:
:party:
:patriot:
:wow:

[WildEyedLiberal]

174. Kneejerk witchhunting at its finest

According to this list, I should prefer Biden, who is a moderate bought and paid for by MBNA, over Kerry, who is a solid liberal who authored a comprehensive campaign finance bill along with Wellstone that would have eliminated much corporate influence in politics. Unfortunatly, the Kerry-Wellstone bill was derailed by the much-inferior McCain-Feingold.

But despite that bill, Kerry is still "corporate" because he's on this fucking list? What a fucking joke. But Biden is hunky dory, despite being the the credit card companies pockets?

Here's a clue: how about you analyze how each congressperson VOTES instead of posting kneejerk reactionary misleading bullshit like this?

[Dr Fate]

175. What burns better than witches? MORE WITCHES!!!

;)

[TInCanCommunications]

185. Settledown

I don't like the DLC at all.

But membership on that list is not the be all and end all.

Howwever, it is important to know which members of the part are leaning that direction.

[Catherine Vincent]

178. What a long list.

Is that all of our Democrats?

[Greyhound]

179. Thanks

:kick:

[Endangered Specie]

189. Wait, I thought this was DEMOCRATIC underground...

did I miss something :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

[Endangered Specie]

190. Maybe the list is so long because...

they know how to get elected!


Michael Easley, Governor, NC :) :toast:

[DemGirl7]

191. What a shame, Spitzer is DLC

I can't believe Spitzer is a DLCer, this really sucks because I really like him alot too :( :( :( :( :( I feel like :puke:

[Moderator]

192. Locking.....

This is flamebait.