CSPAN CRAWL: "Rumsfeld says US considering military option against IRAN!"

[goodboy]

breaking. no link.

[edbermac]

1. That surprises you?

:sarcasm:

[goodboy]

48. ed, "if I woke up tomorrow with my head sown to the carpet, I wouldn't

be more surprised than I am right now" :)

(Clark W. Griswold Jr. in National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation)

[Kerrytravelers]

2. Ah, the sounds of a war drum beating...

[goodboy]

45. hey kt. long time :)

[Kerrytravelers]

67. How is the Reverend Goodboy?

Our computer died and we moved and a ton of things keeping me off the internet(s)...


...but I'm back now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[goodboy]

68. well...

ck pm's

[Nomen Tuum]

104. It's no drum, it's a...

:nuke:

[goodboy]

113. yup...DICK cheney's been itchin' to set off some nukeyoular shit.

[LiberalEsto]

The only thing they're CONSIDERING

is how to trick the American people into going along with it.
The invasion itself is a done deal, IMHO.

[GreenPartyVoter]

9. Exactly

[goodboy]

49. regurgitate the Iraq lies, and change one letter (Iraq) drop "Q" add "N"

and there you have it


Ira - q

Ira + n

[politick]

52. Ahh

Ira - q

Ira + n


So it IS a Jewish conspiracy, what with all those Ira's...

(OOF)

[goodboy]

56. That's "druish" ala Spaceballs..."just what we need...a druish princess"

[Tight_rope]

54. Ding! Ding! Ding!....We have a win! n/t

Signed, Sealed and delivered.

[Zhade]

72. Unfortunately, a LOT of people are falling for this shit again!

Even here on DU, 1000+ posters are bemoaning the "threat"!

You'd think they'd have learned by now.

[truth2power]

93. You're right. Iran poses NO nuclear threat. It amazes me that

people here would fall for that old story again.

I've been trying to educate myself about the bourse.

Here's some very good articles I found. About the bourse, fiat currency, why the feds are no longer going to report the M3 money index as of March 26(?). How convenient, since the bourse is set to go about the end of March. And how it all ties together.

A Story About Oil You NEED To Hear
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/12/27/115725/53


I guess the following site is Libertarian. Nevertheless, the articles are great at tying together the bourse and US monetary policy. Gives you the whole picture.

Note: Third article title says "Iraq", but the second half deals with Iran.

The Approaching War with Iran: Part 1
http://www.teamliberty.net/id209.html

The Approaching War with Iran: Part II
http://www.teamliberty.net/id209.html

The Liberation of the US Dollar in Iraq
http://www.teamliberty.net/id199.html

> > > > > > >

And there's been nothing about this in the MSM, AFAIK.

[orleans]

94. right. and we've got to get in and rid ourselves of that "threat"

before march 20th

http://www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/view.php?StoryID=20060130-030347-6125r

[HereSince1628]

3. WIth respect to this Admin that news is more than 5 years old.

[tatertop]

6. The next phase of The American Nightmare is about to begin

[PassingFair]

21. Followed by the crawl.....Emmanuel Goldstein on the run...

in Iran ... or was it Syria... stay tuned.

[tatertop]

25. indeed

[Zhade]

74. Yes, that wily Abu Musab al-Goldstein gets around!

NT!

[yostsghost]

36. D.R.A.F.T

Damn

Rebulicans

Advocating

Foreign

Terror

[MadMaddie]

38. Yostsghost

That's good...

[calimary]

39. I'd like to see them try it in an election year.

They want it (deep down, at least the warmongers do, in order to keep their "packages" nice 'n' hard) and they'll need it if they're to have any numbers of troops available beyond the ones they've squandered in Iraq. But even if I thought it were necessary, I wouldn't have the stomach to put that out there in an election year, unless I was planning not to return to Capitol Hill next January. Maybe AFTER January, unless OUR guys take back the House. But I'd seriously doubt it now. WITH WHAT TROOPS? WITH WHAT FUNDING? So we'll have to go fight ANOTHER war when we've completely fucked up the current one - that they insist is not over yet. How thin do they intend to stretch our troops - and then accuse us of not supporting them because we don't want to see them sent out to be killed?

[maxrandb]

42. Because this is an election year is PRECISELY why they would do it

They know that as soon as the bombs start flying, and we're treated to the CNN/MSGOP/Faux coverage of the latest techno version of the video game "World Conquest" the pResidents approval ratings will go from 33% to 70%. Dems will once again have to temper what they say because "you don't criticize the pResident when we're at war". Rove's got to be chuckling at the prospect of Ted Kennedy having to get up and praise the pResident for his bold action. Then we'll all get in line to "Support the Troops", cause don't you know? "You're with us or agin us"

Meanwhile, a sufficient number of American's will be transfixed by the grainy, slightly green colors and the explosions of flashing lights, and the "breathless" CNN reporters watching the pretty starburst in the sky. Hell! It's better than a Super Bowl Commercial.

In fact, I'd be shocked if they didn't launch war with Iran this year.

[goodboy]

50. Yep, they might even be able to "delay" the election as well (nt)

[robertpaulsen]

79. I think they'll wait til after the midterms & play chicken just like 2002.

It's going to be almost an exact repeat as Iraq, except this time they'll get their UN Security Council rejection first. Then they'll go to Congress in September or October, talking about the "grave threat" Iran poses, how we must stand tough against these state sponsors of terror seeking weapons of mass destruction. It's a game of chicken in an election year and unfortunately, I fear there are still too many Dems in Congress who fear they would lose their seat by looking weak on security. Expect the bombings to commence in late November/early December.

[Marie26]

53. That makes sense

But I'm not sure they make sense. Look at it from their point of view - if they wait until the next election, and lose, they'll never get a chance to have another war. And Cheney has been planning too long to stop an Iran War now.

[Zhade]

75. Nicely done!

Welcome to DU.

[htuttle]

4. But I'm sure there are no 'war plans' on the President's desk

...Of course, we all know they don't actually 'PLAN' this stuff. Actual 'planning' shows a lack of faith!

[DemInDistress]

5. rumsey is considering war lol..since when was he named POTUS

[burythehatchet]

13. thank you

since when is cheney not president

[NoAmericanTaliban]

7. Time to invest in defense stocks & funds..

don't want to miss out this time around. Guess the recruiting offices will have to double their staff, since they will be overrun by Repukes trying to join the services. :sarcasm:

[HereSince1628]

10. Buy overseas

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

60. Move overseas.

nm

[laheina]

16. I found this post interesting

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x337001

It basically says that, anticipating a falling dollar, Wall Street has been shifting investments outside of the country.

[liberalhistorian]

95. "Now, come on, Wall Street, don't be slow,

why, man, this war is a go-go!
There's plenty good money to be made
Supplying the army with the tools of its trade
Just hope and pray when they drop the bomb
They drop it on Vietnam!

(All together here)

And it's one, two, three
What are we fighting for?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn!
Next stop is Vietnam (Iran!)
And it's five, six, seven
Open up the Pearly Gates
Well, there ain't no time to wonder why
WHOOPEE, we're all gonna die!"

[quiet.american]

8. March is "War Month" in the Bush administration.

I would be very surprised if a March date for military action against Iran is not already set.

[GreenPartyVoter]

11. Because freedom is on the "March"?

:shrug:

[laheina]

17. LOL!

That would probably make sense to *

[GreenPartyVoter]

20. I think it's *'s version of a mnemonic reminder. "Lemme see here, what's

on the calendar.. Hmm Febwary.. time to Fib about FISA.. and March... March. What are we doin' in March again? Oh that's right. Spreadin' freedom in heathen lands. But in between I'll have to nip on down to th' ranch and clear some brush. .. Hey, Karl! Schedule me a vacation.. make it a month between Febwary n March!"

[laheina]

31. ROTFLMAO!!!nt

[GreenPartyVoter]

32. Thanks. I may have to send that one to Jon Stewart. *g*

[genie_weenie]

29. I think we should

look for a 17 June 2006 date to coincede with a one year anniversary of the *terrorist* elections in Iran.

[celtway]

46. One possible reason for a March attack...

The Iranian government has finally developed the ultimate “nuclear” weapon that can swiftly destroy the financial system underpinning the American Empire. That weapon is the Iranian Oil Bourse slated to open in March 2006....

http://energybulletin.net/12125.html

[quiet.american]

47. Amazing stuff. Thanks for pointing me to that website! n/t

[area51]

89. Welcome to DU, celtway. (n/t)

[Kierkegaard]

12. Wow. This ought to be good.

What, are they planning to tap the Boy Scouts to staff this one? I mean, all the 'boys' are busy right now being stationary targets in other countries.

Did we run out of straight jackets, or something???

[LiberalEsto]

14. Maybe those Minutemen militias

will get sent over there. Hmmmm.

[laheina]

18. That wouldn't be a loss. nt

[DrZeeLit]

15. Do you think this is a + or - for the midterms? I hope minus, minus,

minus --- as in.... vote out the idiots who would allow such action.

Do you think "they" are seriously underestimating the American people/voters?
I'm gonna answer "yes." But...but...but... I keep wanting to think they (the admin/Repubs) and/or "they" (Am voters) can't be that dumb.

Yes, I'm that optimistic.

[Sadie5]

19. Already a done deal

They are sticking their toe in the water to test the temperature of the Sheeple and wether Congress will go along with it.

[RaleighNCDUer]

26. Voters don't matter --

or haven't you been watching.

[Zhade]

76. Possible political gain aside, we're talking about more innocents dying.

We're also talking about:

- oil prices through the roof

- Iran attacking the soldiers next door in Iraq (and they'd be justified in doing so, damn the administration for making me say that!)

- world anger exploding

- possible sanctions and other moves against the U.S., which will impact you and me and not the billionaires and power elite

- a total clusterfuck nightmare

So, election gains? Not as important to consider, I think.

[DrZeeLit]

88. I agree with all that, excellent thoughts. I was considering the timing,

because they perhaps couldn't fast enough/before the elections (here I am optimistic, if you can use such a word in this case).
And if the elections changed Congress, the whole ballgame would change -- funding, investigations, and much, much more.

With all that you've mentioned, how could they really get very far with this scheme?
I'm pretty much dumbstruck that they'd really be serious.
But, you know... they underestimate me,and I probably underestimate them.

[goodboy]

111. and it satisfies Cheney's itch to set off some nukes. you know he wants

to.

[goodboy]

109. I think they'll do anything to stay in power, even if that means attacking

Iran. I think the country is slowly waking up, although they largely still fall for the fearmongering. We're not going to initiate the invasion/attack against Iran ourselves, I believe we'll have Israel do it for us.

[jobycom]

22. As the great prophet Iago once said

(In "Aladdin"): Oh, there's a big surprise. That's an incredible... I think I'm going to have a heart attack and die, from that surprise.

[leftstreet]

23. CALL JACK MURTHA'S OFFICE 1-888-818-6641

1-888-818-6641 Capitol Switchboard

He's the ONLY person in Congress with a resolution to redeploy troops out of Iraq. Let him know you support his efforts.


Wednesday February 1, 2006
The Honorable George W. Bush
President of the United States of America
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington DC 20500


Dear Mr. President,

This March will mark the beginning of the 4th year of the war in Iraq. In contrast, U.S. involvement in WWI came to an end after 19 months. Victory in Europe was declared in WWII after 3 years 5 months. In the Korean War, a cease-fire was signed after 3 years and 1 month. But after more than three and a half years into the war in Iraq, your administration finally produced what is called a "Plan for Victory" in Iraq.

Iraq is not the center for the global war on terrorism. I believe Iraq has diverted our attention away from the fight against global terrorism and has depleted the required resources needed to wage an effective war. It is estimated that there are only about 750 to 1,000 al-Qaeda in Iraq. I believe the Iraqis will force them out or kill them after U.S. troops are gone. In fact, there is now evidence that Iraqi insurgent groups are increasingly turning against al-Qaeda and other foreign terrorists.

Redeploy, Replace, Reallocate, and Reconstitute.

**Full text of his letter **

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/02/01/john-murthas-letter-to-b_n_14939.html

**Full text of his Resolution**

http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/pa12_murtha/pr_051117_iraqres.html

[kurth]

24. Next: Gonzales says 2002 war resolution applies to Iran

After careful legal analysis, of course.

[Marie26]

59. They've already said so

In Condalezza Rice's confirmation hearings, she said that she didn't believe the President needed to get another war resolution to expand the war to Iran.

[kurth]

105. Damn. Condi's legal expertise is amazing

and very lacking.

[mzmolly]

27. Proud to have been ABB.

Gosh, whoda thunk?

:eyes:

It's "PNAC" stupid.

[Eugene]

28. Scotsman: Use of force against Iran is on agenda, warns bullish Rumsfeld

Mon 6 Feb 2006

Use of force against Iran is on agenda, warns bullish Rumsfeld
MARGARET NEIGHBOUR

AMERICAN military action against Iran because of its nuclear ambitions is still an option,
US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has warned.

With Iran remaining defiant in the face of international pressure over its atomic programme -
it yesterday ended snap United Nations inspections of its atomic sites - Mr Rumsfeld upped the stakes,
describing Iran as a "main sponsor" of terrorist groups.

<snip>

Mr Rumsfeld, who attended a weekend security conference in Munich, Germany, made no bones
about the seriousness of the situation.

"All options - including the military one - are on the table," he told a German newspaper.
"Any government that says Israel has no right to exist is making a statement about its possible
behaviour in the future."

<snip>

Full article: http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=185482006

AFP via al Jazeera: Rumsfeld: Iran force option open

[mzmolly]

30. Has Rumsfeld said where they plan to get soldiers/money?

Cause uhm, we're running out of both.

[AndyTiedye]

62. They'll DRAFT the Soldiers and Print the Money

[Tempest]

33. Possible outcomes- none good for the U.S.

http://cns.miis.edu/pubs/week/040812.htm

[BronxBoy]

70. Good Read

Thanks

[goodboy]

110. holy shit. (nt)

[Tempest]

34. Russia Warns Against Threatening Iran

From another thread:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,183919,00.html

UNITED NATIONS — Russia's foreign minister warned against threatening Iran over its nuclear program Monday after Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld reportedly agreed with a German interviewer that all options, including military response, remained on the table.

[AllegroRondo]

35. With what Army?

ours is pretty tied up at the moment.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

63. Good point - Invading Iran might mean real casualties

Iran would be a lot different from Iraq.

They are a bigger country and our military is depleted.

Please don't take my subject as disregarding the loss of 2300? American troops and tens of thousands of Iraqis. It's just that invading Iran would involve the loss of many more of our fine young men and women.

However, if we can create an army that consists solely of Young Republican club members, that would be all right, so long as we pay for it with bake sales and raffles.:evilgrin:

[LynnTheDem]

37. Another illegal first-strike act of aggression war by the USA.

Hitler didn't stop with Poland.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

64. Yeah, the dumbass eventually attacked the Soviets too

If he hadn't done that, we might have had to fight them by ourselves, with the Nazi's overrunning Great Britain.

[LynnTheDem]

73. Iran; A Bridge Too Far

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7147.htm

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

81. Frightening possibilities

But better than the neo-cons taking over the world.

[LynnTheDem]

82. Give em time; lookit all the DUers falling for the SAME BULLSHIT

about Iran now.

Next they'll fall for the "Syria is the greatest threat" bullshit.

Fucking amazing.

[VegasWolf]

40. Rummy can't. Russia and China hold veto power over any UN military

action in Iran. They won't let Bush attack even if Bush had resources. Pathetic attempt at "news" here.

[atreides1]

57. That's a Big Assumption

I mean about the UN calling for military action, the will do it the same way they did with Iran. They will just launch an air attack, and then the Iranians will defend themselves by launching
pre-emptive strikes on all US military facilities in the Gulf Region.

With the US as the aggressor, NATO is not required to provide any assistance to the US. Blair will not send in British troops, and the Iraqi army may prove to be a dagger at the US's back.

[Zhade]

77. Agreed - we ARE talking about the army...

...that accepts weapons, training, and intelligence from the U.S. military, then turns it back on the invaders.

Plus, Sistani. And Shia Muslims in Iraq.

Anyone thinking this won't end in the decimation of our military - or in a nuclear exchange - isn't paying attention. The uprising of Shia in Iraq alone could overwhelm U.S. forces.

[VegasWolf]

106. Iraq had a quasi UN blessing. Iran does not. Bush will not be allowed

to attack Iran. I'll bet money on it. If he did, Bush would decimate the US force, Iraq would join the Shia in Iran and we would overrun. There is a no win scenario for Bush. We won't attack.

As to your first point re my assumption, both China and Russia have already said that they would veto ANY military action in Iran.

[MadMaddie]

41. These guys are unbelievable

They are so arrogant, so blinded by whatever end goal they have...

I have never heard them address a serious military attack on US soil

I am not talking about remote terrorist I am talking a full scale military attack by...I don't know Russia, Iran, North Korea....

I am talking about other countries artillary and military boots on US soil. Our military is broken and spread out around the world. Our state military guard and reservist are being destroyed as we speak...Are our police departments supposed to defend against a military attack..As each day passes we are losing our allies by the way side. We will be on our own!!

These War mongers are so short sighted and so arrogant they actually believe no one will attack the US.

puff, puff, huff, huff

Okay, I am done ranting...

:rant:

[Zhade]

78. Very good points - welcome to DU.

Feel free to rant on!

[MadMaddie]

92. Thanks for the welcome Zhade...

[Zech Marquis]

43. with what?

does Darth Rummy have a legion of clone troopers stashed away somewhere? Otherwise the US has NO money for another fuckup invasion, and moe important we don't have ANY troops or equipment to spare at all. plus Russi and China will have plenty to say about this! :nuke:

[goodboy]

44. any further info?

[Marie26]

51. Right on schedule...

I just hate how paranoid this Administration is making me. I half-think the whole Muhammad cartoon controversy was fostered to lay the groundwork for a new war.

[rhett o rick]

55. The propaganda for IWAR II has started. Hold on! Will the Demo

in Congress go along again??? Or will the Imperial President assume his power to go to war against Iran is a continuation of the Iraq war authorization. Seems we are powerless to stop this.

[wiggs]

66. Dems or others in congress should

introduce resolution making clear that the IWR did not include making war on Iran and that only congress can declare war. They can be proactive here, if they want. Congress needs to clarify its thinking here, ahead of time.

[rhett o rick]

114. Congress has been rendered irrelevant by the Imperial President

The republicans in Congress are starting to panic as Gonzales explains that our Imperial President has rendered Congress irrelevant.

[Wheezy]

58. So the military budget increase...

...isn't for Iraq soldiers to get stuff they need.
It's for Iran.

[donkeyotay]

61. You go to war(s) with the defense secretary you have, not the one

you want. Somebody tell me something that Rummy was right about. He ignored the uniformed military, and they were right and he was wrong. Under normal leadership, anyone who had screwed up as badly as Rummy would be fired. Of course, nothing about this is normal.

Catastrophic failures can be fixed by compounding them with another. Two wrongs may not make a right, but two colossal f'ups equal success.

Henny penny.
We know exactly where they are. They're east and west...

[caligirl]

65. they don't have the military to do it. They squandered everything.

Propaganda campaign for some other motive.

[goodboy]

112. Israel's gonna do our dirty work, we'll just bomb 'em. (*nt()

[earth mom]

69. The neocons have gotten their way on everything else...

it's no longer a question of "if", but "when". :scared:

[Roland99]

101. Despite having been 0-for-Infinity on any justification for war.

Soviets building up massive nuclear arsenal? False.
Soviets behind every terrorist attack? False. (in post-Cold War era...needed to reinvent the boogeyman)
Al Qaeda is a large, robust and highly organized terrorist organization spread over 60+ counties? False. (post-Soviet Union collapse they needed a whole new boogeyman)
Saddam possessed stockpiles of WMDs? False.

[President Kerry]

71. the bet is on..

How many wars is this nimrod going to start and how many hundreds of thousands of lives is he willing to sacrifice. Fuck you Rummy.

[The Backlash Cometh]

80. I'm shocked, I'm SHOCKED! I tell you!

Rumsfeld? Moderately tempered Rumsfeld?

[tom22]

83. Don't hold your breath!

Rummy destroyed the US military with his misbegotten policy in Iraq. Never were so many, sacrificed for so few, in order to achieve so little.

[ladjf]

84. The U.S. isn't considering military action against Iran. Rumsfield

and his cronies are considering it.

[0007]

85. Whew!! Had me worried for awhile.

[ladjf]

87. I was just clarifying that Rumsfield doesn't speak for most

Americans.

[0007]

90. Maybe about 27% of America, eh?

[wordpix2]

86. Connecticut military police called up for Germany--leave Feb.12

http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-06121124.apds.m0736.bc-ct-brf--feb06,0,6909892.story?coll=hc-headlines-local


WESTBROOK, Conn -- About 120 military police officers from the Connecticut National Guard have been called up for service in Germany, the military announced Monday.

The members of the 643rd Military Police Company of Westbrook have been told they will be gone for about 18 months.

They are scheduled to leave Feb. 12 for Fort Leonard Wood, Mo., for training before heading to Germany. The MPs provide police service, convoy escorts, a force protection.

A formal send-off will be held Wednesday at the state Armory.

About 500 soldiers from New Haven's 102nd Infantry Battalion are currently in training for deployment to Afghanistan. There are 46 soldiers from state guard units in Iraq.

Lt. Col. John Whitford said he expects to have about 1,000 Connecticut guardsmen in the Middle East by this summer.

[LosinIt]

103. 300 from 10th Mountain Div from Fort Drum just Deployed

to Afghanistan and I think more and more have gone and are going.

[Triana]

91. Of course. And, next on the PNAC list: Syria (n/t)

[Auntie Bush]

96. So what else is new?

[imperial jedi]

97. no surprise.

And it looks like the people that have been saying march would be the time are right

[Nutmegger]

98. I thought the public learned from Iraq?

Are we going to let Bush Inc get away with this??? ARE WE???

Huh? A-Idol is on...???

[Rex]

99. He's just a war machine.

"Babies are crunchy...moneymoneymoney..."

[Kablooie]

100. The Bushies have to start another war immediately to save themselves.

The wiretapping scandal is sounding pretty virile.
The only way out is to distract everyone with another war right away!

[lovuian]

102. WWIII is coming...

and we are not ready...

[VegasWolf]

107. Sure, we are really going to attack Iran. With no UN support, no troops,

no money. China can pull the plug on our borrowing anytime. We will see, but I am taking Vegas odds that it never happens.

Russia and China have pledged to veto ANY military action against Iran. Both Russia and China hold veto power.

[goodboy]

108. Nope, we'll jus have Israel do our dirty work for us, and we'll bomb

the shit outta Iran. We can still do that sho' nuff.

Only problem is, Iran will lob shitloads of chem/bio rockets at Israel.

[ScreamingMeemie]

115. With what? Spitballs? To quote Dick Cheney during the last election

cycle.