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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 12:55 PM
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Yes, Clinton lied about sex....but the law is the law....
He lied under oath so he broke the law. And, after all, no one is above the law. Do you understand why they impeached him now? He broke the law. Because you see, if the president can get away with breaking the law, then the laws means nothing. Our nation is a nation of laws, not of men. President cannot break the law with impunity. Do you understand? That is why Clinton was impeached. Maybe it was a petty law, but he broke it. Therefore...
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 12:57 PM
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1. explain how a sexual act between to consenting adults comes up in

an investigation of a land deal that occured a decade before the sex acts?
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 01:01 PM
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2. Ken Starr?
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Luke21 Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 01:08 PM
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6. Clinton
It's old news. The Republicans threw everything in the book at Clinton. They accused him of laundering campaign cash from the Chinese, of having the Southern Mob kill people, of assassinating Ron Brown and Vince Foster, of actual rapes (Juanita Broadrick) and of being involved in a CIA conspiracy with Bush Senior that ran drugs and money to the Contras in the mid 80's.

Monica was all they could actually get on him, and that wasn't much. The American people said clearly in the 1998 elections that they disagreed with the impeachment.

My only problem with the medthod of argument used to defend Clinton was that I was teaching college at the time, and if I had engaged in consensual sex with any student or intern, I would have been in huge trouble. I have never liked a Roman system that recognizes rights and privileges for the elected, the powerful and the wealthy, while we suffocate under very pointed and different laws and enforcement.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 01:22 PM
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8. if I had engaged in consensual sex with any student or intern, I would hav


1) not if no one but you and the student or intern knew about it

2) while yes I can see how it would cause problems but as long as you and the student or intern was over the age of consent I doubt you would have been charged with a crime, or accused of one.

I still do not fully believe Clinton committed perjury, you are only required to answer truthfully when under oath as a witness.

Of course this is old news and I really don't remember all of it to the details and really don't care much about it anymore except that is was so far out of what should ever be acceptable actions against anyone.

I don't mean at all to belittle your moral argument, but at times people in various situations of employment and or power can fall in love or in lust for a night without there being abuse or harassment involved. (Not the norm for it but it can and does happen)
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 03:52 PM
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11. Hi Luke21!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 01:01 PM
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3. therefore...bush lied and he also needs a little impeaching...
quickly before another war breaks out...
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 01:03 PM
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4. Actually, he was acquitted. That means that in the opinion of those
hearing all the evidence and testimony, no law was broken. He may have lied, but according to the impeachment hearing results, he was not guilty of a crime.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 01:04 PM
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5. "he was not guilty of a crime"
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 01:20 PM
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7. He could have easily refused to answer questions about his private life
It was nobody's business. No need to lie about it; no need to talk about it at all. I just wish he'd kept his mouth shut and I'm betting he wishes Monica had kept her's shut.



The POTUS is a powerful man, whomever he is, and powerful men do things that the rest of us can't understand. Power is intoxicating. A lot of men would get blow jobs on the side if they thought they could get away with it; power makes you think you can get away with anything.


The Lewinsky deal is old news and ancient history. I'm so sick of hearing about it over and over again. Anything Clinton may or may not have done has nothing to do with the RatBastard in office now.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 01:23 PM
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9. Alterman: b.j. lying - BAD. Lying about war - eh, no big deal.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x313732

*******QUOTE*******

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060220/alterman

Lies About Blowjobs, Bad. Wars? Not So Much.
Eric Alterman

.... A true dichotomy between the public and the elite media can be found, on the other hand, on the subject of presidential lying. Excluding George Washington and perhaps Jimmy Carter, just about all Presidents have found it necessary to lie to the American people. And with those two exceptions, and possibly a few others, many have also found it necessary--or at least desirable--to fool around with women other than their wives. For reasons of culture and history, the mainstream media decided that both of these longstanding traditions had to end with Bill Clinton. ....

When Bill Clinton lied about a few blowjobs, the Washington press corps treated his actions as a threat to the Republic. As John Harris observes in his history of the period, The Survivor, on the night Clinton offered his prime-time, post-testimony national apology, network commentary was overwhelmingly negative. Calls for Clinton to resign reigned on pundit television and on the op-ed pages throughout the ordeal--often couched in terms of doing so "for the children." ....

Oddly, given the many obvious and quite consequential differences between a blowjob and a botched war effort, the Washington press corps appears to have reached a consensus that the former is a far more serious matter. Pundit "dean" David Broder, who whined that Clinton "trashed the place, and it's not his place," has declared himself uninterested in the question of whether Bush & Co. deceived Congress and the nation into its ruinous Iraq adventure. "This whole debate about whether there was just a mistake or misrepresentation or so on is, I think, from the public point of view largely irrelevant," Broder explained to his chum Tim Russert on NBC's Meet the Press. "The public's moved past that." Shortly thereafter Gloria Borger of U.S. News & World Report wondered why the topic was even being raised: "Ah, 'misleading.' Didn't we live through that argument already? In fact, wasn't that in the Democratic talking points in the 2004 election? Are we still arguing over who lied or did not lie about WMD?" she complained. It's shocking enough that pundits had less interest in Bush's prewar lies than, say, Oprah had in James Frey's rehab program, but it's more so that they can't be bothered to care now that the lies have been exposed. The explosive revelations in the Downing Street memo got relatively scant coverage, as did recent revelations of documents demonstrating that the phony story about the yellowcake uranium Iraq allegedly bought from Niger had been discredited long before Bush made his false pronouncements on the subject.

Underlying this attitude may be a simple matter of personal pique. While the punditocracy, much like a scorned lover, resented Clinton, it cannot shake its affection for Bush, no matter how much contempt he showers on their collective heads. As Chris Matthews proclaimed, "Everybody sort of likes the President, except for the real whack-jobs." Today the percentage of Americans who say they actually "like" Bush, according to a New York Times/CBS Poll, is 37 percent. ....

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chaumont58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 01:27 PM
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10. Somewhat off the subject, but not a lot, has to do with a statement
by the editor of Newsweek. He accused Dems of irrational hatred for Bush. He made the statement about a week ago in a column that was in Newsweek. It bothers me some because, for the most part, I don't consider the hatred irrational. Bush has done things that profoundly engender real, hardcore hatred. His willful wasting of 2200 American soldiers' lives in a bullshit invasion without any valid reason at all. His administration's performance during Katrina is mind boggling. The turning of his head when he is perhaps the only one that can control spending by a drunk repuke congress. The list goes on and on. Most evil DUers can site it better than me. But what really makes me want to send the Editor a letter is his total lack of perspective. He doesn't remember the irrational hatred his own class(beltway press) had for Bill Clinton? I sure he remembers the repuke hatred, but what about Tweety and David Broder and Fat Tim and all of the FauxNewChannel and more reporters for WaPo, NYT than I have time to remember. That hatred(for Clinton) by the press whores materially affected this country. An untalented, brain dead, draft dodging, AWOL, never do well finished close enough in the 2000 election to steal the results. That's what the beltway press corps has brought this country: 2200 dead soldiers. I bet they are proud of themselves.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 04:47 PM
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12. He didn't lie under oath. Where is his conviction for perjury?
This is just another freeper rant.
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 04:49 PM
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13. The lying was definitely illegal, agreed. However......>
However, the problem is that he never should have been asked about it in the first place.

I don't particularly care for adulterers, but I still can't believe that the United States Congress allowed themselves to be lowered to the point of asking a man whether or not he got a BJ from an intern.

I mean, seriously.

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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 04:51 PM
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14. All you previous posters are missing kentuck's point...
The key is the "therefore..."

Anybody else you know of who has been lying?
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 04:55 PM
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15. Exactly. To finish Kentuck's sentence....
therefore Bush should be impeached for lying.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 10:32 PM
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16. Bingo!
Thanks .. :)
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 10:49 PM
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17. When are people going to get this right?
It wasn't perjury and he didn't lie under oath because it wasn't a substantive comment about a relevant matter in a suit that had merit.

Sheesh.

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