The parents in my area don't want their pure lil babies to see magazines in the checkout line...

[xultar]

so they lobbied the grocery store and got them to put up opaque plastic covers so their little pure eyed babies won't become hipp to the world around them.

These people are about to make me start smackin some heads.

[Redstone]

1. Good God, what if the little darlins saw some CIGS? They'd never be right again.

Good thing most of the stores have moved the cigs to the customer-service area.

Redstone

[illinoisprogressive]

2. next, they will want the library to burn books. And they will comply.

[Bluebear]

3. What are they wrapping, Martha Stewart and Redbook?

Holy moly.

[xultar]

13. All of them, Southern Living, GHK, Redbook..ALL.

[Bluebear]

16. Unreal. nt

[madeline_con]

134. What area is this?

I don't want to inadvertantly go there for any reason.

[liberalEd]

4. I feel the same way that those parents do...

...about bibles, korans, and most other "holy" books.

Wouldn't want the young 'uns exposed to that violent, nasty stuff. It's warp their fragile little minds. :)

Most of those supermarket checkout magazines are simply pathetic.

[xultar]

14. Straight up. I also wouldn't want people discussing it with them without

my knowledge.

[Sugar Smack]

5. I'd hate to see these people in a REAL crisis.

Good Lord.

[xultar]

15. They'd fuckin melt in any real crisis.

[PreacherCasey]

56. Nope. They'd swear blind allegiance to the Commander in Chief.

[Sugar Smack]

61. AACK!

And on another note, welcome to DU. :hi:

[BuyingThyme]

6. When I was a kid, we had Playboy in the checkout line.

Glad we did.

[xultar]

17. Due to that you just walk around neekid now...you know cuz you were exposed to neekidness and all.

[BuyingThyme]

21. It's not the nakedness as much as the awkward posing.

[Sugar Smack]

23. *snort*

:spray: Thanks for that.

[xultar]

54. BUHWAWAWA!

[JuniperLea]

7. I've seen those shields

It's been my experience in nearly 30 years of parenting that the most shielded kids, the kids who don't grow up knowing there are good and bad things out there and are taught to understand the difference, go hog freaking wild the minute they get away from their parents.

The only thing those shields actually shield is the parent from having to get into a meaningful conversation with their child.

You don't have to answer every little question in full, gorey detail... just answer it with as much information as you think the kid can handle. Ultimately, only a parent knows what that is.

[xultar]

20. Good thing about that is that I'll have job security cuz no pure kid will be able

to leave the house for work.

[JuniperLea]

25. What do you do, xultar?

Psychologist? Psychiatrist? Because shielding your kid from the world will surely land the poor soul on the couch!

[xultar]

27. Nope, I'm a systems IT consultant. I travel weekly, stay in hotels. Sheltered kids couldn't handle

that type of life. It'd be to tough, to scary, to uncertain....they like to be @ home... Corporate Clients like to see your face in their place.

[TheMadMonk]

43. The problem isn't how much info the kid can handle. A lot.

It's the amount the parent can't.

[JuniperLea]

49. Too bad kids don't come with care and feeding labels

Too many parents have kids and then abuse them by neglect.

[jody]

8. I agree with the parents.n/t

[JuniperLea]

11. You'd rather shield your child

Than to be the one who answers their questions about good and bad?

[jody]

22. If you want your children to be exposed to unlimited pornography, do so in your own

property, not public property or property used for public business.

If a store wants to ignore the wishes of some customers, do so and risk losing their business to a boycott. I recall that MLK showed businesses just how effective a boycott could be.

Have a nice day. :hi:

[WindRavenX]

26. Redbook and martha stewart are NOT porn

jesus christ.

[JuniperLea]

33. But but but... Martha's buns are sometimes on the cover!

LOL!

Seriously... porn? Lord have mercy.

[WindRavenX]

35. nooo!!! not Martha's sticky buns!!!

Nooo0000..think of the children!!11

[Sugar Smack]

42. And her lilies as well! Georgia O'Keefe will be turning over

in her grave! :P

[Zhade]

87. Martha's buns are sticky and HOT.

:silly:

[Donald Ian Rankin]

94. Advertising food at children is actually probably a more serious problem than photos of naked women.

America has a *serious* obesity problem, and advertisements for junk food aimed at children are a non-trivial contributory factor.

I wouldn't be so dismissive of the harm pictures of buns do if I were you...

[jody]

36. The OP did not say "Redbook and martha stewart" nor did it mention any particular

magazine.

Typically crusades to cover magazines target porn and I assumed that was the case in this instance.

[WindRavenX]

40. Oh, but I've seen 'em covered

During my visit to SLC, UT, I saw BOTH of those magazines I listed covered.

It's absurd, and it sounds like you support this type of lunacy.

[xultar]

47. All of them are covered. I see why because the grocery store can't make

judgement calls so they just covered them all due to the complaints.

[Missy Vixen]

60. The "covered magazines" in our community are typically

Cosmopolitan, Vogue, any magazine that shows a woman's flesh on the cover. Those who believe that covering magazines is appropriate even covered a woman's magazine awhile back that featured a breastfeeding mother on the cover. There was nothing inappropriate (to me) about the photo.

The above publications are not porn. I fail to understand why it is necessary to keep them out of sight.

Julie

[Rage for Order]

75. Have you read an issue of Cosmopolitan lately?

It's about as close as you can get to porn without showing photos of it. Here are a few of the items featured in this month's Cosmo:

"THE SEX he'll die for!" (emphasis theirs)
"Rate the sex position of the week: the Wow-Him Powwow"
"Ask our experts: 'I hate going down on my guy. What should I do'"?
"Sex Tips from Guys: Their All-Time Favorite Mattress Moves Revealed"
"Turn your guy into a sex genius: to some men, your body is a wonderland"

And on and on....

Cosmo is great for adult women. However, I'm not going to fault a parent because they don't want to have to explain the various topics listed above to their 9 year old daughter. There's a time and a place for everything, and the checkout lane at the grocery store isn't where a pre-pubescent child should start learning about "The sex he'll die for".

[seabeyond]

88. of course no one is discussing this post that actually gives examples

of possible issues a parent may have. it is so much easier to call parents name, suggest that they are all not parenting, or they are overly parenting and that all our children will grow up messed up

much better for the children to be reading about going down on your man..... to be a healthy and well balanced "liberal?" child.

[Missy Vixen]

92. And your point would be?

>There's a time and a place for everything, and the checkout lane at the grocery store isn't where a pre-pubescent child should start learning about "The sex he'll die for".<

The checkout lane at the grocery store isn't a place to encourage censorship, either, but it sounds like it's happening a lot. If we're going to protect the children, we'd best be stripping every magazine out of the store, then. After all, that child may see something on the cover of a men's magazine that's equally inappropriate, or the covers of entertainment magazines. The magazines at the checkstand in the vast majority of the stores I shop in regularly are high enough off the ground that they wouldn't be at a nine-year-old's eye level in the first place (that privilege is typically given to gum, candy and other impulse buys,) but we'd better get them out.

While we're at it, maybe the birth control/personal items section of the store should be removed as well. We sure wouldn't want to explain to a nine-year-old why someone would use condoms, would we? Personal lubricant? A pregnancy test kit? Better get those feminine products out of there, too.

The grocery store is full of iniquity. Who knew?

By the way, we've had questions from our friends' preteen children about inappropriate items they have seen. They're not in the grocery store. The children in question found Mom and Dad's p*rn stash at home.

Julie

[seabeyond]

96. that is such a dishonest argument. i have read on this thread the scorn, disdain

ridicule of the parents and the children. those magazines are in the front of checkout stands and once you are in the check out cover one side and the candy the other side. to dismiss a very real argument with whats you point? the point is pretty obvious. a group of people on this thread ignoring childen from 5-11 being bombarded with how to go down on a guy, how to sexually satisfy your man, sex positions. give me a validation on a child learning this crap at a young age so they can be "worldy?" tell me what a poor parent i am that i dont want to discuss a blow job with my 7 yr old child.

there is no reason there cannot be an answer. and the answer does not have to be get rid of all the magazines. that is stupid. that puts it to a place of adult rights vs children rights. that doesnt have to be, only with limited thinking, or people that chose to force their will on all for some self righteous reason. there is no reason the magazines cant go in the book and magazine section that ALL grocery stores have.

again i will say, i personally am not advocating moving the magazines. i have had to deal with it with my children, and for the most part, they read, realize what it is saying, turn bright red in embarrassment because it is info they DON"T want because it is not age appropriate and they divert their eyes. so for you adults that are going to tell me what being a parent is about.... there you go, that is the childs reaction to the crap, embarrassment. but damn good thing we teach and enforce embarrassment on our children at such a young age, cause they are going to get it in the real world, might as well get use to it at a young age. and any parent worth their salt would feel proud to look at that face turned away.... knowing they did their job well

but at least i am honest about the issue. i dont pretend it is bad parents trying to shield kid from world, to raise incompetent, inept, lillie pure children wanting to smack the parent upside the head because a parent KNOWS this is not age appropriate.

the arrogance, and stupidity, and denial to ridicule and scorn parents on this thread pisses me off. all for agenda, all to pin a bunch of labels on people.

[Missy Vixen]

106. Actually, it's a valid argument

My original questions were not answered: Are you recommending that other areas of the store that may be "problematic" be shielded as well? Why should the rest of us have to surrender our freedoms at the door for those who don't want to view a magazine cover, birth control devices or feminine hygiene products?

>tell me what a poor parent i am that i dont want to discuss a blow job with my 7 yr old child.<

I don't believe that there was any discussion about the above. At all. This has been blown out of proportion by those who insist it is their right to censor what the rest of us can read or glance at in a public place.

>there is no reason the magazines cant go in the book and magazine section that ALL grocery stores have.<

Then the magazines would eventually be removed -- after all, they and their covers are still visible, are they not?

>again i will say, i personally am not advocating moving the magazines.<

The above sentence is one paragraph below the sentence above it. You state the magazines should be moved, then say you're not advocating it.

>the arrogance, and stupidity, and denial to ridicule and scorn parents on this thread pisses me off. all for agenda, all to pin a bunch of labels on people.<

So, it's okay to label those who disagree?

Julie

[seabeyond]

112. where is the censor if the magazines are available for you to buy in the store?

the very basis to your argument is invalid. whether there is paperwrap or it is moved to book and magazine section the magazine is still available to you to purchase. having it in a section and not at checkout where all people must go thru allows a person to chose to expose their children instead of being forced to expose their children

as far as all the other things in the store, a person has the choice of exposing those items to their children or NOT exposing those things to their child and it does not infringe on a single person or childs rights.

the blow job came from both you comment about clinton and the poster that stated what was on the cover of this months cosmopolitian. there have been many post stating that a parent is "sheilding" their child unnecessarily to the point of damaging the child, not wanting child to read what is on the covers. it has been stated that a parent is to have the discussion boldly, honestly with the child, cause after all it is the real world. and your snide comment at parents concerned about child with clinton to do. so.... i have to assume, when the child reads on a cover of magazine, you have no issue with having the discussion with the child there and then. regardless of age. since children read from 5 on up.


what else...."their right to censor what the rest of us can read or glance at in a public place." your right proceeds a childs right from your post. a force of your will on all, instead of reason to work with a parent, allowing a child to go thru a grocery store without reading about sex positions (another article on cover of this months cosmo). your right trumps.... even though this can be easily solved for all.

if they are in there own section then there is not the issue of a child being forced to view, the parent has option of not going to section.

i have said for the fourth post. my children are now of the age, that anything they do have issue with we talk about. they are now old enough they are getting this from all directions and we talk about it often. i know longer am in a position where it matters to me. i would not advocate moving the magazines. i am clever enough to understand this is an issue with parents because of younger children. and i can readily see an easy solution to it. having been in business most all my life, dealing with problems and customer service, this is not a tough one for me. satisfy all. keep the customer happy, not infringing on anyones right.

"it's okay to label those who disagree?" that is not what i said. the posts on this thread about both parent and child being shielded are full of scorn, disdain, ridicule..... re read the posts the way people talk about the parents. about the children. pretty evident.

[SidDithers]

131. I'd rather my kids were exposed to sex...

than violence or cigarettes.

Sid

[seabeyond]

132. obviously the parent whose 11 yr old told my son about how cool porn is

feels the same way. bully for you

[Nia Zuri]

123. Absolutely agree.

Some of that material is completely inappropriate for young children. Some commercials too..It is hard enough to parent, you don't know when you are going to be hit with somethinng youir child is not ready to be exposed to. It is a product of sex being explooited as a marketing hood for everything in this society.

[Bridget Burke]

142. "All of them, Southern Living, GHK, Redbook..ALL"

See message #13.

Assume much?

[KoKo]

71. I believe Redbook is out of business and my checkout doesn't have Martha

Stewart. It has the other tabloid stuff and "hot chicks" with boobies and lots of grabby sexual titles. They don't need to be at the check out. They could have them at the regular magazine rack. They put them there for sensational purposes and the headlines stick in your head all day. Why have it? It's not like there's not another place to put them.

[OnionPatch]

110. Maybe your stores only carry these

kinds of mags, but my stores have tons of mags with covers of scantily-clad women, usually celebrities, sometimes drunk and partying, hanging on men, etc. in all the check-outs. I don't like the idea of censorship, but at the same time, I do get sick of this sort of cheap portrayal of women being everywhere my daughter looks. It's really not the nudity that bothers me---I've raised my daughter to know that the human body is beautiful and not shameful---it's the cheapness. They seem degrading to women to me. :shrug: Still, there's the censorship issue...it's a tough call for me.

[JuniperLea]

31. Pornography??? Since when is THAT available at the grocer?

You can't follow your kids around all their lives... wouldn't it be best to be the one who teaches them about right and wrong instead of a stranger? Wouldn't it be best if children grow up learning what to expect from the world in small doses as they go along instead of being bombarded with junk they know nothing about?

It just sounds far too dangerous and downright painful to me. One could argue that it is cruel as well. The culture shock alone would do untold harm to a kid.

[jody]

44. Porn is available at some grocery stores. n/t

[JuniperLea]

46. Show me where!!!

I've been shopping for nearly 50 years and have never, ever seen porn at the grocer!!

[xultar]

53. WHERE THE FUCK DO YOU SHOP!!!??? Do share...I'm so there!

[jody]

59. "Due share", I have no idea what you mean with those two words. n/t

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

63. She means "do share."

And why be so obtuse? You can just admit you were wrong for agreeing with this bullshit, and we won't hold it against you. Seems the easy way out.

[jody]

66. I'm not wrong because I gave my opinion just as others gave their opinion.

If a store does not want to honor the wishes of some patrons, they can refuse and possibly lose sales.

That's a business decision.

[xultar]

68. Yeah but covering up People, Oprah, Martha....come on Parents complaining

cuz they don't want to explain life to their kids is so wrong.

[seabeyond]

89. you know this. you know that it is so wrong not to explain a blow job

to a 6, 7, 8 yr old child. post #75 the cover of this months cosmopolitan

[Missy Vixen]

93. I seem to remember the last time we all heard "what will we tell the children?"

it was regarding the personal, consensual behavior of Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky.

You'd think the children of America would be shockproof by this point.

:sarcasm:

Julie

[seabeyond]

97. and.... you advocate teaching the children blowjobs at all ages

i had a tough time teaching my 7 and 9 year old why clinton was impeached. my kids are politically aware. part of the conversation had to be the impeachment. the behavior of the repugs and media. how wrong it all is. and of course they asked me why he was impeached and i had to go into an area totally inappropriate for their age.

that is a legitmate question. i dont put it on clinton. that is something that was no ones business. that is something that should not have gone into the history books for an impeachment. still.... it is age inappropriate. bottom line. what is your argument?

[Missy Vixen]

98. It's hilarious

you're twisting my words to advance your argument.

I don't "advocate" teaching blow jobs at all ages. What I DO "advocate" is the lack of censorship in a free society. If you don't like where the magazines are placed in your local grocery store, it's hard for me to believe that there is no other grocery store to patronize. Your children are going to overhear and experience things you don't necessarily like, and it's sure been our experience with those we know that they see and hear most of it AT HOME. It's not our job to sanitize the entire world for them.

Julie

[seabeyond]

99. well f* then with this attitude why do we even pretend there is an age limit

for porn?
dont make an assumption how i raise my kids. because i can certainly see the issue here, without pretending otherwise, doesnt mean i am some prude, or shy or have issue talking to my boys. my issue in my home is i am not bothered or shy in talking honestly to my boys about anything and i have to be careful myself sharing only as much as they want.

it isnt censoring anyone. no one is suggesting not having the magazines in a store. it is providing those magazines in a way that they are not in the kids face while we wait in line. what is your argument to have the magazines in the ook and magazine section of a grocery store. why do you see this suggestion as censoring free society?

further, i have already stated twice prior i am not advocating moving the magazines, but i do as a parent recognize the agrument

and united, walmart and albertsons all place their magazines in the same way. the suggestion to find a store that doesnt do it is not realistic

[madeline_con]

137. I've never seen a kid that age give those mags a second glance

let alone ask about any content listed on the cover. They're too busy trying to get a candy bar or gum. :shrug:

[seabeyond]

141. well my children espcially my oldest have. they are avid readers

even candy competes with this love for reading. and obviously others have children that do to. many many many times mine have read the magazines while standing and waiting. my children also dont need to nag me for a treat. a one second yes or no surfice. they arent deprived of treat so they dont need to worship the candy stand. but wow to how you demean the child.

[xultar]

67. I'm installing apps and typing. Made a typo. Sorry. I'll. Be. More. Careful. For. You.

[xultar]

39. What about at the Dentist, Doctor, Hair Salon, Airport, Train Station, Bus Station,

Mall, Gas station, Library, Neighbors house, Barnes and Nobel, Borders, Pet Smart, PetCo, Starbucks, CVS, Eckard, Walgreen, Banks, Resteraunt, Airplane, Hotel, Disneyland, Disneyworld, Toys R US, Target, Walmart, Golds Gym, Bally's Gym, Fitness USA, Michaels, Office Depot,Bed Bath & Beyond, DSW, World Food, Costco, Sams


COME ON

[JuniperLea]

51. And... *gasp* the internets!

All those tubes doing God knows what!

[jody]

52. Stores in some communities cover porn magazines. n/t

[xultar]

57. I'm not talking about porn. People, Redbook, Martha Steward, Opra, Time, etc.

[jody]

62. If so, then your OP was completely misleading and wasted my time.

Goodbye :hi:

[xultar]

69. They covered ALL the magazines. Where do you live that porn is in the Grocery store?

No where have I seen that Porn is in the grocery store.

[youthere]

83. The grocery store in Tipton Iowa...

carries Playboy, Hustler and Penthouse..or at least they used to. I haven't been there in awhile because they have really crappy produce. They also carry Easy Rider and Cosmopolitan (which for some reason I just find funny as hell in small town, rural Iowa)and they are all in the "privacy" wrappers.

Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with a grocery store wrapping the magazines, even the ones like Martha and LHJ. It would help deter people from reading my potential magazine which I absolutely HATE. (I always pull an issue from the back because I don't want a used, thumbed through copy that's all starting to tatter.)

[xultar]

95. They don't sell porn in my grocery store. Only People, Good housekeeping, redbook, time, newsweek

Those are the ones they are covering in my area.

[Sugar Smack]

70. How was it misleading? She'd said nothing about porn.

She'd said that about "the world around them" which to me means something like Time magazine. Some people can't handle even that. Trust me, I've seen people react to that sort of magazine with dense anger and frivolous outrage. Except for when Bush was voted as "Man of the Year", I can't think of any subject as volatile as that one.

[KoKo]

73. The "check out counter" at my Dentist, Doctors or other of the places you

listed doesn't have Tabloids and the magazines with the "Hot Chicks with Boobies and blaring headlines about Sexual Intimacy and how to get it if you don't have any hot dudes. I haven't seen them at Starbucks either. All the Starbucks I've been in have the local Newspaper and the NYT's.

I don't know where you see all these magazines at the library in the check out, either. Where do you live? It must be very strange there. ;-)

[Warren DeMontague]

91. Unlimited pornography in the supermarket check-out aisle?

Wow! Where do you shop???

[jmowreader]

109. When was the last time you were in a supermarket that sold porn?

Strangely enough, I just came back from the supermarket. The magazines at the checkout, except for Cosmopolitan, were pretty tame.

"O: The Oprah Magazine" and "Hot Black Hairstyles" don't exactly come across as pornographic to me.

[Odin2005]

119. Nobody likes Nanny-Statists, go away.

[madeline_con]

136. You assumed porn where there was none.

"Some customers", like those who are too sensitive to stand in line next to a "Southern Living" magazine, should stay in their bomb shelters.

[NashVegas]

29. I Don't, But ...

I've been in checkout lines where some were shielded, some were not. Basically, anything that showed flesh was shielded.

Like candy-free check-outs, it's an easy way out for lazy people. Rather than teach your kid that all the whining in the world isn't going to get them a Snickers, take the easy way. Rather than explain why your values conflict with the magazine covers, take the easy way out.

I know this sounds incredibly old-fashioned, but I'm tired of seeing sex cheapened for commerce. There's nothing really very sexy, to me, about the covers. It's more like McDonald's; there for your convenience, but it doesn't compare to the real deal.

I guess if enough of them are shielded, it will make the magazine's editors take notice when sales start flagging.

[JuniperLea]

41. Rather than teach your kid... so well said

Right up there with the people who sue Ozzy Osbourne when their kids commits suicide. Blame everyone else except the parent who ignores the kid and hasn't a clue what is going on with them.

All it took for me was to hustle young master back out to the car and tell him no shopping at all with that behavior. He never did it again. Nor did his brother and sister. No one wants a silent mom frog-marching them back out to the car!

[Zhade]

86. You're also anti-choice and thought Terri Schiavo had a brain.

Not really recommending yourself too well, there.

[Kutjara]

9. If they really feel the need to protect their children from the world...

...they should leave them at home. These fools don't seems to realize that the Earth is not a theme park created specifically for the amusement of their "little angels." Adults live here too and have every right to enjoy adult pursuits without having to wade through acres of child protective infrastructure.

[Beaverhausen]

10. do you mean the National Inquirer, and People? Those magazines?

If so I say, right on! I hate that crap.

[durrrty libby]

24. Oh how I wish the stores would shield me from all that trash

Sometimes I must go home and assume the fetal position

[NashVegas]

34. That and Cosmopolitan

With article titles like, "5 Ways to Give Your Man the Best Orgasm He'll Ever Have" as headlines.

[xultar]

78. That's gonna impact a kid how. The same parent is watchin soap operas.

that shit is more intense than the mags.

[seabeyond]

84. you really have parents pegged. i dont watch soap opera. and a 5yr old

doesn't need to learn about an orgasm. some parents actually parent. spend time with kids. teach them all they need to know, yet age appropriate. with my 11 yr old just the last couple weeks, we have talked about sex, french kiss, porn, sluts, whores, condoms, gays, republicans..... i can go on. this is age appropraite. this is the age my 11 yr old is getting this shit. this is the age we are talking about it. it is his time,.... not the adult worlds time. now, i know there are kids that know this crap at a younger age. i know this because my brother and sister in law allowed their kids to watch r rated movies with them .... always. they believe the kids are going to be out there, might as well learn. they are also screwed up kids. daughter abortion at 15, ranaway at 16, and 18 trying to figure out why she is so messed up. the son pot at 9, 12 drinking beer and smoking cigs, and the youngest son has had a number of girlfriends and he is just 12. damn good thing they taught these kids the real world before age appropriate time so they could do it in a mature and responsible way.


my 8 yr old reading adult books. read, black like me. simper phi mac. four agreements. i was told by rw that i was making him grow up to fast. that he shouldnt be reading all those books. he should be playing like other kids. shouldnt be politically aware. shouldnt know about the war, and election theft, and global warming.

i decided to give my kids the important things to feel responsible with, instead of explaining to them what an orgasm is.

talk about all the parents telling you adults what to do. i am seeing a lot of adults telling parents how to raise their kids.

[uppityperson]

12. Hip to Star, Enquirer, People, Family Circle?

Fine with me to not see this trash, though I do like making fun of it while waiting in line.

[JuniperLea]

18. Me too!

My b/f and I read the headlines in mock shock and have a great ol' time!

[rwheeler31]

19. why

Have the tabloids gone against W?

[Giant Robot]

28. Umm What magazines? n/t

[xultar]

30. All of them....ALL.

[Giant Robot]

32. Well now

I was thinking it was a protest against Maxim or some other tripe. That is just....fucking silliness. I am not sure whether I should laugh at them or be outraged. When did we go down the rabbit hole again cause I think I missed the last exit before there.

[Skip Intro]

37. Mama's gonna put all of her fears into you

Hush now baby don't you cry
Mama's gonna make all of your
Nightmares come true
Mama's gonna put all of her fears into you
Mama's gonna keep you right here
Under her wing
she won't let you fly but she might let you sing
Mama will keep baby cosy and warm
Ooooh Babe Ooooh Babe Ooooh Babe
Of course Mama's gonna help build the wall


Bet they have no trouble plopping them down in front of some fundy charade on tv, tho...

[ourbluenation]

38. eh - no big deal. I'm a parent and this doesn't really bother me that much. n/t

[MindPilot]

45. About the time Rock Hudson died, and was on the cover of everything my kid was about seven

we were in line at the store, and he asked "was Rock Hudson gay?"
"yes"
"What does that mean?"
There were a couple of little old lady types who seemed quite shocked as I explained to him right there in the store. I can only imagine what that would've been like had I not lived in predominately gay neighborhood.

[xultar]

65. That's how you handle the situation. Unfortunately people don't want to

talk to their kids. They just want to wish it away.

[Matariki]

48. Damn. I wish they'd do that where I live.

I really, really don't want to know about Paris Hilton or Britney Spears or Madonna's sex life/eating disorder/divorce/pregnancy ad nauseum whenever I go to the store. Ugh. Too much 'in your face' information about people I couldn't care less about.

[xultar]

58. Yeah but come on. More than that happens in these little gated communities...

I don't see them putting wrappers on them.

[Matariki]

74. Ha. I wasn't talking about the kid's 'sensitivities'

I was talking about all the 'celebrity' crap making my eyeballs hurt at the supermarket. why do people care about that shit and why are we bombarded with it at the grocery store? It's a conspiracy, I tell ya'

oh and "children are the crowbar of fascism".

[xultar]

76. I agree with you about the kids being the crowbar of facism...but I

don't mind the gossip mags I've never bought one. Seeing them doesn't make me froth @ the eye.

I'm usually to distracted to care. But if someone else wants to see them then fine by me. I don't want to push my will on others.

[Matariki]

80. sure, sure. i was just joking around ;-)

[WindRavenX]

50. won't someone PLEASE think of the children!!!

[xultar]

55. I think of them and then I wonder why were their parents allowed to have sex.

[Skip Intro]

72. oh man

:rofl:

[xultar]

77. Seriously though...If the parents can't handle a People mag how can they

handle the chaos of sex and the chaos of kids resulting from sex?

[KoKo]

127. You are pissed because of "People Magazine?" Wha? n/t

[sweetheart]

64. god forbid they should not want to see ignorance in people

more than that, are we to be ruled by a bunch of nanny mommmys who project their fears for their little bairns on to
the rest of uz adults and piss on us with authoritiarian zeal.

Oh, sometimes i wish a politically incorrect with for a parallel society where nanny mommys live in kiddieland with
their gods, leaving the rest of uz alone to be complex and irreverent.

[seabeyond]

79. i walked into my convenience store regularly with magazine rack meeting

me immediately. on the top shelves were the playboys and other girlie magazines with a strip across the bare breast. for the first 5 years i wasnt bothered. that was while i was single and the first couple years of my sons life. i didnt think much about it at all. by the time i had my 2 yr old sittin on hip and my then 5 year old walking thru that door it dawned on me, that everytime i walked into that store my kids were immediately faced with girls in sexual, sensual positions. yes the bare breast was covered but it dawned on me these were perfect level for the kids eyes and just felt creepy for a 5 yr old boy to be given the adult world so very early. and lordy that our little girls are seeing at the youngest of age that this is what being a woman is.

i asked the owners if they could put those magazines behind the counter as they had always done in the past years so our children were not forced to particpate in the adult world. lord only knows i did not want to deprive any adult, or step on any adult toes. all i was asking is that the children be allowed to NOT particpate in the adult world.

in the past this was thought about, they would not even consider putting it out to the general public, but today, because a parent of a child would prefer that the child not be a part of the adult world, we get this disdain.

[seabeyond]

81. oh oh oh.... lol lol i see it is the grocery check out. have you read the

fuckin headlines on the star, or any of those other crapy fake magazines. have you read some of the subject that they have on the front. my children read it and turn red. not to mention all the times they have asked me about the most outrageous, immoral, down right wrong behavior for me to have conversation with them.

you are right, it is ridiculous that a parent to dare be bothered by that crap.

i havent said anything to these stores, nor will i, ... i am just so happy the boys are getting old enough we can talk this shit out....and i dont have to deal with this crap with really young and really inappropriate ages

[seabeyond]

82. dupe

[seabeyond]

85. lets see if we can compromise. i am all about compromise. i am about

not denying a person their rights and even their wants and desire. i think it is more than a two way street. traffic coming from all direction, but i think we are that good.

as i have said in posts above, my kids are now old enough when they read the shit, crap, bullshit.... we talk about it and generally i explain it in that exact language. but i do understand where a parent is coming from.

every grocery store i have been in has a book and magazine section. what would be your bitch, how would any adult be deprived, if this material was kept in the book and magazine section and parents who dont want their children reading this garbage could stay away from that section.

or

is this about the insistance that kids do not have the right to NOT participate in the adult world and it is not about making all happy, but it is about forcing will on others.

[Warren DeMontague]

90. Actually, I think the magazines in the checkout aisle are a problem, too. But not because of

what they let the kids see- it's what they let the grownups NOT see.

If you were an alien who just stopped by for a pint of milk, judging by the checkout aisle at my local supermarket on any given week, you would honestly think that Tom & Katie's baby, Britney's "crisis" or Brad and Angelina's whatever were not only the most important things happening on the planet-- but the ONLY things.

Whereas, if you wanted to, maybe, know that there's a WAR going on, you'd really have to do some fucking research. Want to know that American kids are coming home in boxes on a regular basis, or that the entire thing is based on cheap lies? I don't care how old you are, sonny- no amount of ID is gonna buy you them facts at our store...

[BluePatriot]

100. They care about that stuff

but will gladly let the kiddies watch violent TV, football, and the news. *bangs head on desk repeatedly*

[seabeyond]

101. so now are you banging your head on desk cause my young kids are

politically and socially aware?

all these people that want to tell a parent how to raise kids banging their heads on desk, wanting to smack parents up side the head. really healthy ways of debate here. and yawl are the ones that are going to tell me how to be a parent.

and the really ironic as i read post after post telling parents how wrong they are..... it is all in an argument that parents are telling yawl how to live.

just a tad ironic

[BluePatriot]

102. Um...

Sorry, just pointing out the irony that in general, American parents are horrified to expose their children to sexual images, but, will expose them to violent ones without a second thought. It is a good point that to use the internet cliche of beating one's head against an object in frustration while complaining about violence is very ironic and undermines my argument. I should choose another expression next time.

Not meant to be a commentary on your parenting at all. Sorry for any misunderstanding.

[seabeyond]

103. you are nice

how in the world can i be ugly, when you are so nice. i like to argue that there are many parents, probably a lot of the ones having issue, that not only watch the violence factor, along with the sexual factor but also the social conditioning too. a lot of parents are working their ass off to give children an healthy environment to grow in and are dealing with forces as this thread for an example. and instead of adults being willing to compromise and work with the parent to give a child a healthy environment to sexually grow in a natural way instead of an adult induced world are being ripped apart.

all because of the left and right divide so any parent dare to stand up for the childs right not to have this in their world are labelled prudes, or sheltering kids to the extent of damaging the children, or christian right. how offensive.

i had rules when kids were young. any show glorifying stupid, anger, or sexually exploitive, they didnt watch. any show i felt had the purpose of conditioning kids they didnt watch. now children watch little tv. they read a lot. i do not monitor the books they chose. they have a threshold of what is appropriate and what they are willing to allow in their life.

i felt a lot of these comments on this thread were harsh, nonthinking comments.

[BluePatriot]

104. hey, thanks

Good to be thought of as nice.

My thoughts on the whole thing were going way above the personal and community level in a broad "global values" comparison. Maybe that's the wrong angle to think from as that's not practical for an everyday parent struggling with the forces you describe. I don't know if there's any one-size-fits-all answer, but, rules as you illustrate seem appropriate.

I will now quietly sneak out of the thread. :)

[Az]

105. Not that I agree but have you seen the magazine covers these days?

Censorship is a fools game. But the marketting wiz's have basically turned the magazine wracks into marketting centers for breasts. They have dialed in what the audience wants and it turns out the audience wants tits. Daringly exposed tits.

Magazines in grocery stores and such operate at an impulse purchase level. They have to grab your attention while you are waiting in line. Tits tend to do this. So tits are what they push. Next time you are standing in line count the cleavage. Its fun and educational.

The second most common impulse (after sex/tits) is "you're too fat". The magazines are telling you how you are supposed to look and what products you have to purchase to look like that.

[cynatnite]

107. Do they want the tabloids covered up, too?

Saw one today that should've been covered up. Something about Hillary having Bigfoot for a running mate. :rofl:

[rinsd]

108. LOL. I don;t know what's funnier

That parents felt it necessary to hide their children from the likes of the Enquirer and Redbook

Or that you consider said magazines as necessary information conduits!

[BlackVelvet04]

111. I'm no prude and I don't believe in censorship......

but what's the problem with putting the magazines in the magazine and book section of the store? Sometimes the titles of the articles are down right slimy. Not only wouldn't I want to be standing in line with a child with some of these magazines in my face but I wouldn't want to be standing in line with my 80 year old father with some of these magazines staring me in the face. I don't know why Redbook, Oprah or some of those types of magazines need to be covered, but again what's the problem with just putting magazines in the magazine and book section?

[seabeyond]

113. "censorship in a free society" this is what i am told when i suggest

the same. seems easy enough for me. not getting how it is censorship for free society when it continues to easily be available. and seems to solve the issue.

the only argument i am seeing, is the will to force this on all people including our children because they should be well versed in all this stuff by reading age (5) since it is the real world.

[BlackVelvet04]

116. I admit in many cases I think parents go overboard in an

effort to protect their children but I don't think it is unreasonable to not have magazines that are clearly intended for adults at the checkout lane.

[seabeyond]

118. i look at it as, who am i to say. if it is talking about going down on a man,

sexual positions, and how to give man the best sex (cosmopolitan cover this month)... who am i to say if a parent has problems with that, that it is the parent being over protective.

and what i was told once, ... better to be over protective than underprotective. but i am really not going to start deciding how a parent should raise their child. i KNOW most all are different than i am. i wouldnt dare to suggest they do it my way. and i dont want to do it their way. there is a hell of a lot of stuff out there that behooves us, demands that we are protective.

[BlackVelvet04]

120. When parents expect me to change my life in order to protect

their children I think I have a right to make a judgment as to whether or not it is a reasonable request......and I'm talking of more of a family thing than a society thing.

[seabeyond]

126. this isnt asking anyone to change any of their life. but our party

tells us how to literally change our life thru law, per our children, and as a party we dont seem to have issue with it further, justify it by saying it is our job to protect the children. yet here, people on this board that will demand the safety seat, seat belts, no smoking in cars with children, and a visit to the dentist for the four year old at the cost to the parent, unneeded vaccinations and all the other nanny laws we pass.... seem to be more concerned with magazines moved to a book section so they are not in the kids face and all of a sudden a parent is being "over" protective.

well.

the way i live life,.... i am just fine not you or anyone make any kind of accomodations or put forward any effort for my children yet be consistant and make that in all facets of our life.... i have no need nor desire for any adult to in any way be imposed on by a child nor tell me how to raise my child and how to be a parent.

i am often surprised on these threads about the children. each time, i am surprised. i shouldnt be.

on edit: the more i think about this the more bothered. it seems as if the party, or those of the party on this board may be suggesting, let me decide thru law how you must live because you have that child, yet let your child in no way infringe on how i chose to live.

edit #2: i am just thinking out loud. your post got me to thinking on this path. not directed at you

[BlackVelvet04]

128. there's a lot I disagree with the party over.....

I don't like government intrusion into so many areas of life. Seems to me we should all be adults and learn to work some of these things out for ourselves.

I pretty much hate nanny laws. And as I said before I don't see what the problem is for businesses to move the magazines away from the counter and into a section for books and magazines.

[seabeyond]

129. i am right there with you. i agree. if someone was suggesting taking mag out of store

then i would have to switch sides. the answer to this one is just too easy.

[helderheid]

114. they do that here in Utah too - I like to remove them and put them over the bride's magazines!

[seabeyond]

117. you... live in utah.... lol lol

i didnt know. a bit surprised. beautiful state, or the parts i have been in. st paul area when i was a kid. i think you are more red than where i live.

[helderheid]

121. Don't get me started! THANK GOD Salt Lake City is progressive and not too far away!

Are you freezing?

[seabeyond]

125. frozen..... i am having to have hot showers to get the cold out of the bones

[helderheid]

130. Same here. I think it may be worse for you - here our highs are in the

teens and lows -5 - -10 below - what about there?

[seabeyond]

135. ooosh, you are colder than us. wed and tomorr up to low 30's, lol, but

they are saying more snow friday, saturday, sunday and monday, lol lol. i dont know about yawl, but last winter, geez the average had to be high 60's. we had a few days in 50's some in 70's and a few in 80's. odd odd winter. i was looking for a good winter this year. so really i am not bitchin. i do like it. and a snow is really beautiful....

i grew up in az and calif so... this is different for me.

we are in the panhandle up north, dallas is the one that really got hit this time. odd for dallas to get it and not us.

stay warm... if you can. yours is bbbbrrrrr cold.

[Book Lover]

115. I'd want them plain old gone, but not because of the sex!

Women's magazines are the greatest waste of paper and ink on the planet. Oh, and People, too, while I'm on my soapbox.

If you can't tell your child, "That's for adults. You'll understand someday," then please, for the love of Mike, learn! Little Book Lover has yet to be unhappy with that answer.

[KoKo]

122. Just for you Xultar...I stood in a check out counter tonight here in my Red State

It was BOOBS, BOOBS, BOOBS and How can you GET THINNER along with Tabloid Crap about the balance between Anorexia and Bullimia as opposed to Stardom ANGST. Lot's of Enfotainment and Captive Sex Slaves, Captured Children caught in Sex Scandals, Babies Abducted and the rest of the stuff that we see on CNN/MSNBC all the time.

No..I wouldn't want babies or pre-teens or any one of a "little growing mind" to have to PASS BY THAT or feel that was MY COUNTRY...while we are killing with BOMBS and Depleted Uranium little kids "way over there" (kids who will never know what Pitt and J-Lo are up to...kids who won't have a life or will live SCARRED FOREVER UNDER OUR US BOMBS! They will starve because of food shortages not because they "refuse to eat" because of Anorexia or Bullimia..or ADD or the rest..


I'd want them to SEEK IT OUT ON THIER OWN! I'd be happy to see Baggies over Check Out..but I'd be Happier if the Magazines were on a Rack like the rest of the Magazines in a RACK where PARENTS COULD SUPERVISE!

THE BUSHIES leave long CHECK OUT LINES!!!

Just My Humble Opinion.

[Nia Zuri]

124. Do you have young children?

[mondo joe]

138. My daughters are 11 and 9.

You have a question?

[madeline_con]

133. You mean just average magazines?

Like Ladies Home Journal and the tabloids about DUH-bya having an alein adviser? :wtf:

[Bridget Burke]

143. Yes, ALL THE MAGAZINES are "shielded".....

The OP mentioned this several times.

I've never seen porn in any grocery store. Sure, put Cosmo on the top row, with part of the cover obscured--although I've never studied it with the glee of the "look at all this nasty stuff" guardians of purity.

Usually, Time, Newsweek & other somewhat "serious" magazines are seen among the decorating & food stuff. Lately, some covers have indicated that Bush is NOT God--upsetting some adults. Good.

[AZBlue]

139. On all mags?? I stopped shopping at Fry's when they tried that crap with Cosmo.

But all mags is just unbelievable!

[XanaDUer]

140. I thought the shields were there to stop customers from reading, and thus

"messing up" the magazines.