Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Choice of Martinez sparks GOP rebellion

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU
 
CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 04:19 PM
Original message
Choice of Martinez sparks GOP rebellion
Rebellion is brewing among conservatives on the Republican National Committee over President's Bush's attempt to "impose" Sen. Mel Martinez of Florida as "general chairman" of the party, who favors "amnesty" for illegal aliens.

"I will be voting against Senator Martinez if he is nominated for any chairmanship of the RNC," Tina Benkiser, Texas Republican Party chairman, told The Washington Times yesterday.

Bill Crocker, the elected national committeeman from Texas, says that when the RNC convenes here tomorrow, "Absolutely, I will vote against Martinez."

The conservatives -- one of whom accused the Bush White House of "outsourcing" party leadership -- say the general-chairman post does not exist under RNC rules, which can be changed only at the party's presidential nominating convention.

Unhappy committee members say that, in the past, Republican presidents and RNC leaders have successfully run roughshod over the rules, because the RNC officer presiding over votes at committee meetings have simply overruled points of order and other objections from the floor, with no accredited professional parliamentarians to exercise a check.

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20070116-122754-5361r.htm
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 04:21 PM
Response to Original message
1. BWAHAHAHAHA!
You mean that the GOP is FINALLY getting it? It's all about the BFEE.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 04:21 PM
Response to Original message
2. BushCo must owe Martinez a big favor
of course, being incompetent is usually a requirement, so I guess we shouldn't be surprised.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 04:22 PM
Response to Original message
3. Here's hoping the GOP tears itself apart
And a party actually interested in the People's Business will take up the mantle of Official Opposition
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bluewave Donating Member (385 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 04:22 PM
Response to Original message
4. Bush's goal all along
Integrate this country with Mexico. Slave labor and continuation of the Mexican oligarchy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 07:14 PM
Response to Reply #4
9. Oh pulLEEZE, this particular conspiracy theory comes from one Jerome CORSI
*******QUOTE*******

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=14965

North American Union to Replace USA?


by Jerome R. Corsi
Posted May 19, 2006

.... President Bush intends to abrogate U.S. sovereignty to the North American Union, a new economic and political entity which the President is quietly forming, much as the European Union has formed.

The blueprint President Bush is following was laid out in a 2005 report entitled "Building a North American Community" published by the left-of-center Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). The CFR report connects the dots between the Bush administration's actual policy on illegal immigration and the drive to create the North American Union: ....


http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=15497

Bush Administration Quietly Plans NAFTA Super Highway


by Jerome R. Corsi
Posted Jun 12, 2006

.... A good reason Bush does not want to secure the border with Mexico may be that the administration is trying to create express lanes for Mexican trucks to bring containers with cheap Far East goods into the heart of the U.S., all without the involvement of any U.S. union workers on the docks or in the trucks.

Mr. Corsi is the author of several books, including "Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry" (along with John O'Neill), "Black Gold Stranglehold: The Myth of Scarcity and the Politics of Oil" (along with Craig R. Smith), and "Atomic Iran: How the Terrorist Regime Bought the Bomb and American Politicians." He is a frequent guest on the G. Gordon Liddy radio show. He will soon co-author a new book with Jim Gilchrist on the Minuteman Project.

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=15623

North American Union Would Trump U.S. Supreme Court


by Jerome R. Corsi
Posted Jun 19, 2006

The Bush Administration is pushing to create a North American Union out of the work on-going in the Department of Commerce under the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America in the NAFTA office headed by Geri Word. A key part of the plan is to expand the NAFTA tribunals into a North American Union court system that would have supremacy over all U.S. law, even over the U.S. Supreme Court, in any matter related to the trilateral political and economic integration of the United States, Canada and Mexico. ....

http://www.wnd.com/news/archives.asp?AUTHOR_ID=246

Coming soon to U.S.: Mexican customs office


Monday, June 05, 2006 by Jerome R. Corsi -- Kansas City is planning to allow the Mexican government to open a Mexican customs office in conjunction with the Kansas City SmartPort. This will be the first foreign customs facility allowed to operate on U.S. soil.

Southern border blurs for global trade


Thursday, June 01, 2006 by Jerome R. Corsi -- The Texas segment of the NAFTA Super Corridor is moving rapidly toward approval. When built, the Trans-Texas Corridor, or TTC, will be a major super-highway with six lanes mo ...

Bush border policy linked to Carlyle deal?


Tuesday, May 23, 2006 by Jerome R. Corsi -- In January 2004, the Carlyle Group put together a new team to begin investing in Mexico. The team consisted of Luis T鬬ez, who was then an executive vice president of Desc, one of Mexico's larges ...

Immigration reform spells death for GOP


Friday, May 19, 2006 by Jerome R. Corsi -- To measure what exactly the Senate is doing in putting together a "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" bill, we have to ask what is going to change after the bill is passed: No illegal immigrant currently in the United Stat ...

Border fence will never be built


Thursday, May 18, 2006 by Jerome R. Corsi -- The Senate voted to approve the amendment submitted by Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., to build a 370-mile section of triple-layered fence along the Mexican border. Now the Bush administration is trying to push this as a victory for conservative ...


http://mediamatters.org/items/200408060010

MMFA investigates: Who is Jerome Corsi, co-author of Swift Boat Vets attack book?


....
• Corsi on Islam: "a worthless, dangerous Satanic religion"

• Corsi on Catholicism: "Boy buggering in both Islam and Catholicism is okay with the Pope as long as it isn't reported by the liberal press"

• Corsi on Muslims: "RAGHEADS are Boy-Bumpers as clearly as they are Women-Haters -- it all goes together"

• Corsi on "John F*ing Commie Kerry": "After he married TerRAHsa, didn't John Kerry begin practicing Judiasm? He also has paternal grandparents that were Jewish. What religion is John Kerry?"

• Corsi on Senator "FAT HOG" Clinton: "Anybody ask why HELLary couldn't keep BJ Bill satisfied? Not lesbo or anything, is she?" ....

********UNQUOTE*******
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #4
12. Plus, what does MARTINEZ's CUBAN derivation have to do with MEXICAN oligarchy? n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IWantAChange Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 04:26 PM
Response to Original message
5. BizzaroWorld sems to be alive and flourishing - thanks Dubyha!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 04:51 PM
Response to Original message
6. Martinez is Florida's Manchurian Candidate?
When a little-known Cuban-American lawyer from Orlando, Florida was suddenly elected to be senator, he mysteriously received some last-minute Hispanic votes in a narrowly-won contest against Betty Castor in 2004.

Since then, Sen. Mel Martinez quickly shot up in the ranks, serving in President Bush's Cabinet, and now he is set up to assume the chairmanship of the Republican National Committe.

He's come a long way since Operation Peter Pan, a government operation that began in December 26, 1960 and ended in October 1962 when the Cuban Missile Crisis terminated all flights out of Cuba. It was a semi-covert operation to airlift some 14,000 Cuban children to Miami. Mel Martinez was one of those children, unaccompanied and separated from their parents. Typically the childen were deposited into various orphanages in the US. Their parents were meant to follow them but some children never saw their families again. The Cuban government became aware of this plot but chose not to interfere.

Sen. Martinez's life began in this unstable, mixed-up never-never land of anti-communist hysteria. He grew up to became a lackluster and glum lawyer and he has been allied with the conservative wing of the Republican Party at least since his days as a county commissioner in Orlando. From personal experience, I think he is a boring personality, devoid of any redeeming features or inspiration. The type of guy who would not stand out in a crowd.

But I get the uncanny feeling he was engineered to receive orders and obey without question. I would entertain the theory that he was part of an long-term experiment designed to develop a Machurian candidate. Maybe when he was an orphaned boy in Miami, the CIA took advantage of the situation and covertly brainwashed, not worrying about parental supervision at the time.

Perhaps his controllers can activate him once they position him in a political office. His instruction-set may be generalized, he could be of use as a player in a coup against Cuba, especially after Castro dies. Just a crazy theory of mine. I would be wary of putting too much power in this guy's hands.

As for the CIA involvement in Peter Pan, to this day it still refuses to "deny or admit the existence of files on the grounds of national security." CIA officer in charge of the program was David A. Phillips. He had created Radio Swan and Operation Peter Pan. This happened when the largest CIA station in America was located in Miami. JM/WAVE and MK/ULTRA were part of those ongoing clandestine programs.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
fladonkey Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. Mel Martinez
I have known Mel, his wife, and his children for over 20 years. Some of what you say is true about how he came to the US but some other facts are incorrect. He was never a county commissioner--he was County Chair--there is a difference. I don't know where the "lackluster and glum lawyer" description came from. He had a very successful practice--mostly in medical malpractice. Mel was (and is) extremely well-connected. He won the county chair seat after a very nasty primary campaign with the help of the Democratic Party. His opponent was a real nut case named John Ostakavich (sorry for the mispelling) who was then a state senator. Mel came to President Bush's notice during the Elian debacle. I think he was picked for the GOP post because they lost a lot of ground with the hispanic community. Just my 2 cents. PS - If anyone is wondering, no, I did not vote for him. Betty Castor was a great candidate and should be in Washington.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 07:21 PM
Response to Reply #7
13. oooooooo, a Trial Lawyer
Aren't those nasty things anathema to the RWers?..of course, unless they need one?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 01:16 AM
Response to Reply #7
15. Martinez and qualifications
I stand corrected about Mel's former job category as an Orlando county "chairman" instead of commissioner.

I have lived in Orlando for some time and nothing that Mr. Martinez has done has ever struck me as being outstanding or worthy of note. My choice of adjectives here. I am not connected with lawyers so I don't know what kind of reputation he deserved within the legal establishment.

My original point is that it does seem unreal to me that someone with Martinez's background can suddenly become such a key figure in Repug circles. Maybe the Miami Hispanic community likes him, but OTOH there are more Puerto Ricans than Cubans in Orlando and I think a Puerto Rican Repug conservative would have been more representative than a conservative Repug Cuban-American from Orlando. Assuming there are many conservative Repug PRs in Orlando.

I agree that Betty Castor was more representative of Florida, as she is a 4th or 5th generation Floridian (like me, my Fla. ancestors go back at least to mid-1800s), so this automatically qualifies her as a bona-fide representative of us here in the Sunshine state.

No conservative Cuban-American rightwinger will ever be representative of me, and moreover given Mel's strange background as a Peter Pan orphan, he is even more unrepresentative to me as a native Fla. "cracker".

Fortunately I've run into a few 'liberal' Cuban-Americans in Florida, some of them supported Janet Reno in her campaign to be governor, these CAs tend to sympathize with Democratic party ideals, so the situation in Florida is not hopeless for me yet.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 01:46 AM
Response to Reply #7
18. The diamond merchant Ostalkiewicz
Edited on Wed Jan-17-07 01:54 AM by ngant17
I think you refer to Martinez's opponent as the ultra-conservative John Ostalkiewicz who is a diamond wholesaler on Orlando's SOBT.

Actually, correct me if I am wrong, but while we was a trial lawyer, Martinez switched parties from Dem. to Repug in 1979 because he didn't like Jimmy Carter.

So the Repugs were given the choice between a super-wealthy rightwing diamond merchant or a more humble, Cuban-exiled 'Peter Pan' refugee. Maybe Mel was less of a rightwinger compared to Ostalkiewicz (sounds like a Polish name?), but he also has been known to suddenly switch political positions on key issues. He seems to drift on issues based on political expediency. Based on those characteristics, I would term him as Florida's "Manchurian candidate". He seems to be the type of guy who would fit well in an elite government based on secrecy and national security and hidden agendas.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 06:23 PM
Response to Original message
8. Oh, I feel their pain!
And, to me, it feels GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD! ;-)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 07:16 PM
Response to Original message
10. "outsourcing" party leadership... to a Republican senator?
Please tell me they're not all this racist. Jeeze, they never learn.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 07:16 PM
Response to Original message
11. Yes, when their TOKEN MINORITY is in an actual position of real power
their inner monster of racism just bursts out.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #11
14. things sure worked out well for J.C. Watts
didn't it?

:hi:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 01:36 AM
Response to Reply #11
17. They can't help it; they give themselves away every single time.
eom
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 01:18 AM
Response to Original message
16. I want to impose him right out of office
Such a Jeb and Ileana toadie. Piece of crap.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu May 02nd 2024, 01:49 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC