bush "To oppose everything while proposing nothing is irresponsible,

[Philosoraptor]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070114/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush

Just another great way to say 'fuck you'.

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Bush said lawmakers "have a right to express their views, and express them forcefully. But those who refuse to give this plan a chance to work have an obligation to offer an alternative that has a better chance for success."

[Lisa]

1. which is exactly what he's done on the topic of global warming!

Georgie, you're such a hypocrite.

[Philosoraptor]

2. Yeah, yeah, we're all irresponsible cowards, right.

Just go home george, you know you want to.

[madokie]

9. and we'll let you take your, our own plane too

[CJCRANE]

3. Um, George, WTH was the Iraq Study Group?

What about the various plans proposed by John Kerry, Wesley Clark etc?

* hasn't learnt a thing from his thumpin' at the mid-terms, he's still playing politics with the troops' lives.

[ClintonTyree]

4. They say we offer no plan....

while ignoring the plans we do offer. What he means to say is that we haven't offered a plan that he agrees with. In the monkey's mind there is no difference. If we don't present a plan he agrees with we have presented no plan at all. :shrug: I know, it only makes sense in the mind of a giggling murder monkey. Bush lives in a separate reality where facts are nothing more than a nuisance to him.

[Disturbed]

5. There is only one remedy: Impeachment!

GW Bush- High Crimes and Misdemeanors.

1. "A Crime Against Peace." Initiating a war of aggression against a nation that posed no immediate threat to the U.S.--a war that has needlessly killed 2550 Americans and maimed and damaged over 20,000 more, while killing over 100,000 innocent Iraqi men, women and children, is the number one war crime according to the Nuremberg Charter, a document which was largely drawn up by American lawyers after World War II.

2. Lying and organizing a conspiracy to trick the American people and the U.S. Congress into approving an unnecessary and illegal war. This is defined as "A Conspiracy to Commit a Crime Against Peace" in the Nuremberg Charter, to which the U.S. is a signatory.

3. Approving and encouraging, in violation of U.S. and international law, the use of torture, kidnapping and rendering of prisoners of war captured in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the course of the so-called War on Terror. Note that the Hamdan decision actually declares Bush to have violated the Third Geneva Convention on Treatment of Prisoners of War, which means the justices are in effect calling the president a war criminal. Under U.S. and international law, if prisoners have died because of such a violation--and many have died in illegal US captivity because of torture authorized by this president--the penalty is death (a point made to the president in a warning memo written by his then White House counsel Alberto Gonzales, the text of which is published in full in the appendix of our book).

4. Illegally stripping the right of citizenship and the protections of the Constitution from American citizens, denying them the fundamental right to have their cases heard in a court, to hear the charges against them, to be judged in a public court by a jury of their peers, and to have access to a lawyer.

5. Authorizing the spying on American citizens and their communications by the National Security Agency and other U.S. police and intelligence agencies, in violation of the First and Fourth Amendments and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).

6. Obstructing investigation into and covering up knowledge of the deliberate exposing of the identity of a U.S. CIA undercover operative, and possibly conspiring in that initial outing itself.

7. Obstructing the investigation into the 9-11 attacks and lying to investigators from the Congress and the bi-partisan 9-11 Commission--actions that come perilously close to treason. (Former Florida Senator Bob Graham, who headed the Senate Intelligence Committee until his retirement at the end of 2002, has called this the president's most impeachable crime.)

8. Violating the due process and other constitutional rights of thousands of citizens and legal residents by rounding them up and disappearing or deporting them without hearings.

9. Abuse of power, undermining of the Constitution and violating the presidential oath of office by deliberately refusing to administer over 750 acts duly passed into law by the Congress--actions with if left unchallenged would make the Congress a vestigial body, and the president a dictator.

10. Criminal negligence in failing to provide American troops with adequate armor before sending them into a war of choice, criminal negligence in going to war against a weak, third-world nation without any planning for post war occupation and reconstruction, criminal negligence in failing to respond to a known and growing crisis in the storm-blasted city of New Orleans, and criminal negligence in failing to act, and in fact in actively obstructing efforts by other countries and American state governments, to deal with the looming crisis of global warming.





The Democrats’ Impeachment Road Map

http://www.article.nationalreview.com/?q=YjVjM2M2N2U3ZjJlNTRiZmYzZjJkYzJiN2RlZGQyYjY=

[Swamp Rat]

7. AMEN!

[madokie]

10. I question if facts are even part of his world

I know reality isn't

[radfringe]

6. the myth of Dems having no plans for Iraq

in about 30 minutes of using "THE GOOGLE" I found plans by Dems for Iraq, there are many more, but I just linked to the first 6 that I found:

Democratic plan for Iraq
Senator Joe Biden talks about long-term alternatives for Iraq policy
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12099603/
March 31, 2006

--snip--
MATTHEWS: The Democrats came out with a plan just the other day, a bit late I would argue, but your party has a plan. Does your party really have cohesion on this issue? I mean, if you were to go on national television tonight and debate the president, could you clearly and articulately give the Democrats alternatives. Is there such a thing on Iraq?

BIDEN: On Iraq, there is a Democratic alternative. And the bottom line of the alternative is that we're going to have to figure out how this president or the next president, whoever it is, how long it goes, turns around and makes sure there's more autonomy for each of the sectors that are there, the Sunni, the Shia and the Kurds.

You've got to figure out how to divide up the oil revenues. I think there should be an amendment to their constitution that we should be pushing and saying 20 percent of the revenues go to the Sunnis. I think that would buy them off in terms of them having an autonomous state. I think you should have each of the regions have like states used to have, their own laws governing everything except national security, border security and revenues.

Iraq - Finally, The Democratic Position
by Bob Burnett
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0403-28.htm
Monday, April 3, 2006

--snip--

Real Security ( http://democrats.senate.gov/agenda/real_security/) addresses five subjects: Iraq, the War on Terror, homeland security, the state of the US military, and energy independence. The authors note that these are interconnected. For example, they imply that the US invaded Iraq because of oil and we need to wean ourselves from foreign oil with a real plan for energy independence.

The Democrats' plan for Iraq addresses withdrawal, Iraqi governance, and Bush culpability. On the key subject of withdrawal, Real Security states, "Ensure 2006 is a year of significant transition to full Iraqi sovereignty, with the Iraqis assuming primary responsibility for securing and governing their country and with the responsible redeployment of U.S. forces." It stops short of proposing a definite timetable for withdrawal. This represents a compromise between the position of Dems, like Congressman John Murtha, who want a firm schedule for withdrawal, and others, like DCCC chair Rahm Emanuel, who say President Bush must establish "timetables for success."

Kucinich plan for Iraq
http://kucinich.us/?q=node/1780
Mon, 2007-01-08

--snip--
What is needed is a comprehensive political process. And the decision is not President Bush's alone to make.

Congress, as a coequal branch of government has a responsibility to assist in the initiation of this process. Congress, under Article 1, Section 8 of the US Constitution has the war-making power. Congress appropriates funds for the war. Congress does not dispense with its obligation to the American people simply by opposing a troop surge in Iraq.

There are 140,000 troops remaining in Iraq right now. What about them? When will they come home? Why would we leave those troops in Iraq when we have the money to bring them home? Soon the President will ask for more money for the war. Why would Congress appropriate more money to keep the troops in Iraq through the end of President Bush's term, at a total cost of upwards of two trillion dollars and thousands of more troop casualties, when military experts say there is no military solution? Our soldiers stand for us in the field, we must to stand for them in our legislature by bringing them home.

The Honorable John P. Murtha
War in Iraq
http://www.house.gov/list/press/pa12_murtha/pr051117iraq.html
November 17, 2005

--snip--

My plan calls:

To immediately redeploy U.S. troops consistent with the safety of U.S. forces.
To create a quick reaction force in the region.
To create an over- the- horizon presence of Marines.
To diplomatically pursue security and stability in Iraq

Kerry - Feingold: a Deadline for Iraq
http://www.johnkerry.com/initiatives/kerry_feingold/

--snip--

We began an important fight because together we know the time has come for a Congress that shares responsibility for getting us into Iraq to take responsibility for helping to get us out. We know it is not enough to argue with details or logistics, with the manner of the conflict’s execution or the failures of competence, as great as they are. It is essential to fight to set a date to withdraw American forces.

That’s why this June with Russ Feingold, we fought for an up or down vote on the Kerry-Feingold amendment to withdraw US combat forces from Iraq by July 1, 2007. We made it clear that our soldiers have done their job. It is time for Iraqis to do their job – it’s time for Iraqis to stand up for Iraq. It’s time for Iraqis to want democracy for themselves as much as we want it for them.

read the plan - http://www.johnkerry.com/news/articles/newsarticle.html?id=11

John Edwards calls for withdrawal of some troops from Iraq
August 5, 2006
http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2006/08/05/john_edwards_calls_for_immediate_withdrawal_from_iraq/

MOULTONBORO, N.H. --Former vice presidential candidate John Edwards, who is considering another run for the Democratic nomination for president, said Saturday the United States should start pulling troops out of Iraq immediately.

The former U.S. Sen. from North Carolina told reporters America should "make it clear (to Iraqis) we are leaving, and the best way is to start leaving. We should take 40,000 combat troops out now."

[Vinca]

8. Bingo. No Dem Plans is a Republican talking point. nt

[malaise]

11. Send this to Bush

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x3117796

[sweetheart]

12. Here's a plan you bush stupid motherf***er

Everybody gets on a transport and leaves iraq, and you and your volunteer vigilantes
can go take their place with your surge of repubican daughters to liberate sadr city.
Then when the iraqi's kill them all, at least nobody will miss them.

An more appropriate plan would be for your entire administration to resign and apologize
to the iraqi and american people.

[Squeech]

13. Another thought

Not sure it rises to the level of "plan," but:

George Bush should go to Iraq and offer himself for a public flogging by Muqtada al-Sadr, like Peter O'Toole's character in the movie "Beckett."

I don't believe that anything less would constitute a sufficient apology to the Iraqi people, who after all will have to live with the fallout from his malignant and megalomaniacal policies.

Plus, given his weird psyche and the rumors about Skull and Bones rites, Busholini might even dig it.

[radfringe]

14. more plans at this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x3117796

[kentuck]

15. No, we don't have to offer a plan.

We didn't break it. We have an obligation and a duty to criticize it.

[Philosoraptor]

22. You can't PLAN your way out of a burning building.

You plan BEFORE it burns, after it's burnt to a crisp, the only plan is to get the hell out.

[bigtree]

16. he's just now coming up with a 'plan' after four years swaggering around without one

he's definitely the most clueless in the nation

[mwb970]

17. Bush's War was a disaster right from the beginning.

The invasion itself ensured a disastrous outcome, although exactly which of the possible disastrous outcomes will occur remains open. But there is nothing The Twerp or anyone else can do to avoid a bad ending of some kind.

Bush's best hope is that they won't let him have his surge, allowing him to say forever more that we "would have won" if we'd only done as he wished. Just like they did with Vietnam.

[spanone]

18. Which proves he didn't read the Baker/Hamilton report.

[Bluerthanblue]

19. saying no, is the only responsible proposal to his "surge"-

maybe, or we'll see, i'm not sure, let's think about it- those are stalling tactics, - but saying you will not agree put 22,000 more people into a losing situation is taking an action. It is stating in no uncertain terms- ENOUGH!

[elehhhhna]

20. Most ironic Bush quote, ever.

[Philosoraptor]

21. Out of millions.

[Virginia Dare]

23. To be a stupid drunken dumbfuck is irresponsible...n/t

[Philosoraptor]

24. That's what dear ol' mom used to tell me.

[Virginia Dare]

26. If only Barb Bush had the kind of sense your mom did...n/t

[baby_mouse]

25. Meaningless gibberish.

It's had years to work. Nobody is under any obligation to solve a fucked up problem that should never have happened in the first place. The alternative, George, was not to do the stupid thing in the first place.

This is exactly the same as walking into the street and shooting somebody at random and saying: "Well I don't hear YOU coming up with any better ideas" to the arresting officers.