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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 10:39 PM
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Better president? Carter or Ford - CNN poll
Who do you think was the better president?

Jimmy Carter 47% 1374 votes

Gerald Ford 53% 1571 votes
Total: 2945 votes

http://www.cnn.com/
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 10:45 PM
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1. Couldn't find the poll.
n/t.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 11:11 PM
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12. Now I found it. You have to scroll down to bottom right corner of page
n/t.
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 10:47 PM
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2. Bill Clinton damn it!
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Myrmidon Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 04:06 PM
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48. Whaa? He was a globalist of the worst kind
An elite, corporate advocate of the highest degree, who would and did sell out the country.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 10:49 PM
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3. That ford received a single vote shows the stupidity of the public.
Edited on Fri Jan-12-07 10:49 PM by The_Casual_Observer
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 12:37 AM
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20. Ford was sort of what I expected Baby Bush to be--fumbling but harmless
instead we got Hannibal Lecter with an IQ of 80.
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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 10:50 PM
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4. This must have been prompted by the headline
on MSNBC that Ford once called Carter "a disaster". Whatever. Does anyone remember ONE speech or proposal from the Ford administration?
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 12:33 AM
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17. and if you read the article...
a couple of years later Ford told the interviewer Carter had a lot of good ideas and wasn't really that bad of President. So, of course, they went with the "disaster" quote.
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northofdenali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 01:07 AM
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26. All I remember
is him pardoning Nixon.

That was all I needed to experience. How can anyone pardon evil?
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 10:54 PM
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5. Okay. Enough. Ford was a nice man, but a mediocre president. Vote this up so we can DU the poll.
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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 11:03 PM
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7. Ford was a nice man, a mediocre president, AND he just died.
When * finally and mercifully dies there will inevitably be a brief flash of good feelings for him, and then the world will go back to thinking he's a piece of corn shit in the port-o-john of history. It's like when some non-jock high school kid dies, and girls who never so much as spoke to him/her suddenly get all weepy about The Loss. Folks are all down on Carter now because he dared to say something un-wonderful about Israel. He's still the best ex-president in living memory.
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Redneck Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 10:58 PM
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6. C'mon DU! We're only 200 votes behind! n/t
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williesgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 11:03 PM
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8. Done and recommended - c'mon guys, let's hit this one!
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ariellyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 11:03 PM
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9. Such BS. Nothing more than a test of last week's propoganda campaign. nt
Edited on Fri Jan-12-07 11:03 PM by ariellyn
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 11:07 PM
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10. Come on, people, vote Jimmy up.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 11:08 PM
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11. Not quite fair to ask right after one of them has passed away
Who do you think was the better president?
Jimmy Carter 47% 2551 votes

Gerald Ford 53% 2902 votes
Total: 5453 votes
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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 11:16 PM
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13. Fuck CNN
I'm not participating in this idiocy.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 11:22 PM
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14. At nearly 3000 votes each, the percentages remain the same.
I had to take a while after reading the article; Fords evaluation of the other presidents seemed pretty well on, from his point of view.

Ford did not have a generous view of democrats and would sometimes voice it. He had just been beaten by Carter and was still pretty bitter. A couple years later, his view was much less jaundiced so his praise of Carter was high praise indeed, plus the experience was receding into history.

Carter was the better president, by far. He had the unenviable job of cleaning up after eight years of corrupt publiclowns and, goddess knows, that takes more than four years.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 11:46 PM
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15. omfg--Carter's losing now. nt
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 11:57 PM
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16. Right after Ford passes away?
What the shit is that?
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 02:24 AM
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30. I think Ford gets a lot of sympathy votes because of that.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 12:35 AM
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18. 48/52 Ford ahead
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 12:36 AM
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19. I think that both Carter and Ford
were good men who became president. I'll leave it at that.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 12:50 AM
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21. Since one's being beatified - while the other's weathering an AIPAC barrage...
... I'd say the "normalized" results would be:

61% Jimmy Carter

22% Gerald Ford

17% Ha! Trick question. Gerald Ford was that magazine guy Malcolm Ford's idiot son, who only ran for president. What do I win?

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silverlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 12:51 AM
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22. Carter speaks while alive
Ford's words are published after death.

That in itself makes JC a better president - Gee I just noticed the initials!
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yellowdogmi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 12:52 AM
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23. done. Still down by about 500 votes. eom
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 12:55 AM
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24. Carter: Good man, awful president - Ford: OK for a GOPer
And I agreed with Carter's decisions almost all the time. Policy wasn't the issue. He did a lousy job of managing his public persona. His biggest problem? He told the truth exactly as he saw it which is great on a human level, a terrible idea for managing the most visible job in the world.

Ford seemed principled and moderate at first, but then he took a big right turn once he decided to run for prez. Yet that wasn't his biggest mistake. Pardoning Nixon and his crooked posse was the last nail in his political coffin and rightly so. He denied us the justice we deserved. I'm glad he had a nice long life and wish his family well, but I'm glad Carter took over in '77. We needed a shot of good old-fashioned integrity after the Folly of Tricky Dick.
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nedbal Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 02:11 AM
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29.  I agreed Ford was principled and a Good man
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 03:11 AM
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32. principled? HA! n/t
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tyedyeto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 12:55 AM
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25. kick
Who do you think was the better president?

Jimmy Carter 48% 6802 votes

Gerald Ford 52% 7348 votes
Total: 14150 votes

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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 01:31 AM
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27. Check out Ford's assessments of other presidents:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/01/12/ford.presidents.ap/index.html

GRAND RAPIDS, Michigan (AP) -- In 25 years of interviews with his hometown paper that could only be released upon his death, former President Ford once called Jimmy Carter a "disaster" who ranked alongside Warren Harding, and said Ronald Reagan received far too much credit for ending the Cold War.

<snip>

The best president of his lifetime, Ford said, was a more moderate Republican: Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Harry Truman "would get very high marks" for his handling of foreign crises, Ford said. He also praised Richard Nixon as a foreign policy master, despite the Watergate scandal that drove him from office.

Ford considered John F. Kennedy overrated and Bill Clinton average. He admired George H.W. Bush's handling of the Persian Gulf War and had mixed opinions of Carter, who defeated Ford in 1976.

In 1981, Ford said: "I think Jimmy Carter would be very close to Warren G. Harding. I feel very strongly that Jimmy Carter was a disaster, particularly domestically and economically. I have said more than once that he was certainly the poorest president in my lifetime."

But two years later, he praised Carter's performance on the Panama Canal treaty, China and the Middle East. And in 1998, he said Carter "will be looked on as a better president than some comments we hear today."


He wasn't so crazy about JFK or Clinton, but praises Nixon and piece-of-shit #41?
At least he didn't slam Truman.

What a partisan tool.
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historicaljoe514 Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 01:33 AM
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28. Both men
will always be remembered as average or possibly even sub-par presidents in some people's opinions, but outstandingly generous and kind men out of office.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 03:04 AM
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31. DUne.
Jimmy Carter 49% 10531 votes
Gerald Ford 51% 11088 votes
Total: 21619 votes
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 03:12 AM
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33. done n/t
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 06:32 AM
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34. 49/51 ford ahead ,and I'm buying Carters book. n/t
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 08:03 AM
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35. done!
I definitely prefer Ford to all his Republican successors; but I wasn't going to miss a chance to put in a vote for Carter! I wish he was president today; the world would be safer.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 08:05 AM
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36. Kickin' it for JC
:kick:
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 08:08 AM
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37. Jimmy 48% Shame they didn't ask this a month ago....
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 08:53 AM
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38. Bullshit question. Why not compare Ford and Nixon? Carter and Clinton?
They were both presidents facing different issues. Why pick these two in particular?

Did Carter die and I wasn't aware of it? That's the only reason to compare Ford and Carter that I can see. :shrug:
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 09:29 AM
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39. they forgot"unelected" president!
Edited on Sat Jan-13-07 09:29 AM by bluedog
he was crammed down our throats!!!! we had no say in his presidency

edit for spelling
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 09:32 AM
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40. Carter 48%.........Ford 52%.........Needs Help.
Who do you think was the better president?

Jimmy Carter 48% 16705 votes

Gerald Ford 52% 18380 votes


Total: 35085 votes









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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 09:36 AM
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41. Unbelievable stupidity of people! There is no comparison
IMO.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 09:37 AM
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42. Ya know,,,Cater was not that hot as a president, but campared to tool like Ford...
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 12:31 PM
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47. Not good at all.
Carter was incredibly uninspiring as president. It was the wrong job for him. Building houses for the poor, international peace-mongering, election and human rights watches...that's where he shines.

And what could possibly be wrong with a person finding his niche? :)
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 09:39 AM
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43. Carter 48% of 35085 votes
Who do you think was the better president?

Jimmy Carter 48% 16705 votes

Gerald Ford 52% 18380 votes
Total: 35085 votes

Not surprising the majority is choosing Ford after 14 days of over the top press coverage.

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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 11:03 AM
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44. kick n/t
:kick:
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 11:06 AM
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45. More K's , Carter now 47 nt
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 12:05 PM
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46. 'nother kick, carter still at 47. n/t
:kick:
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