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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 09:55 PM
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LBJ's eerily similar escalation speech 40 years back
via http://www.warandpiece.com

http://www.attytood.com/2007/01/eday_it_was_40_years_ago_today.html

LBJ, Jan. 10, 1967: We have chosen to fight a limited war in Vietnam in an attempt to prevent a larger war--a war almost certain to follow, I believe, if the Communists succeed in overrunning and taking over South Vietnam by aggression and by force. I believe, and I am supported by some authority, that if they are not checked now the world can expect to pay a greater price to check them later.

GWB, Jan. 10, 2007: Tonight in Iraq, the Armed Forces of the United States are engaged in a struggle that will determine the direction of the global war on terror – and our safety here at home. The new strategy I outline tonight will change America's course in Iraq, and help us succeed in the fight against terror.

LBJ, Jan. 10, 1967: I wish I could report to you that the conflict is almost over. This I cannot do. We face more cost, more loss, and more agony. For the end is not yet. I cannot promise you that it will come this year--or come next year. Our adversary still believes, I think, tonight, that he can go on fighting longer than we can, and longer than we and our allies will be prepared to stand up and resist.

GWB, Jan. 10, 2007: Our past efforts to secure Baghdad failed for two principal reasons: There were not enough Iraqi and American troops to secure neighborhoods that had been cleared of terrorists and insurgents. And there were too many restrictions on the troops we did have.


LBJ, Jan. 10, 1967: Our South Vietnamese allies are also being tested tonight. Because they must provide real security to the people living in the countryside. And this means reducing the terrorism and the armed attacks which kidnaped and killed 26,900 civilians in the last 32 months, to levels where they can be successfully controlled by the regular South Vietnamese security forces. It means bringing to the villagers an effective civilian government that they can respect, and that they can rely upon and that they can participate in, and that they can have a personal stake in. We hope that government is now beginning to emerge.

GWB, Jan. 10, 2007: Only the Iraqis can end the sectarian violence and secure their people. And their government has put forward an aggressive plan to do it.

LBJ, Jan. 10, 1967: This forward movement is rooted in the ambitions and the interests of Asian nations themselves. It was precisely this movement that we hoped to accelerate when I spoke at Johns Hopkins in Baltimore in April 1965, and I pledged "a much more massive effort to improve the life of man" in that part of the world, in the hope that we could take some of the funds that we were spending on bullets and bombs and spend it on schools and production.

GWB, Jan. 10, 2007: A successful strategy for Iraq goes beyond military operations. Ordinary Iraqi citizens must see that military operations are accompanied by visible improvements in their neighborhoods and communities. So America will hold the Iraqi government to the benchmarks it has announced.


. . . much more at the link above.

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durtee librul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 09:57 PM
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1. Hmmmm....
Someone should have told Karen about the plagiarism word......LOL!

What a sad and sick man he is.

His poppy must want to drown the poor deluded dimson.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:06 PM
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6. Sorry?
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 09:59 PM
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2. Yep, Vietraq for sure.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:07 PM
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7. a real Iraq-mire
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:09 PM
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That's Iraqnam...
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:03 PM
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3. yes, and my draft letter came about then, and the next 7 years

....well, that was then. Eeeeerily similar.

Did others who were of age in the 60s have the same reaction?
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:05 PM
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4. Great post! Thank you for the correlations.
McNamara is still alive (I think). We need for him to chime in now with his "Fog of War" genre of commentary.

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greenissexy Donating Member (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:06 PM
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5. Ummm...
I really don't like comparing a good man to Bush. That isn't right.
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:09 PM
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9. good man, bad war?

How about that comparison?
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:43 PM
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10. Was I wrong to focus my Johnson reading on the Robert Caro bios?
Regardless, I agree with you if you are saying that Johnson did great and lasting things that Bush would never imagine himself aspiring to, but the article is comparing responses to situations, not comparing a "good" man with the egregious Bush.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:08 PM
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8. Two tough Texans
Toasted. Tonight.

:toast:
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-10-07 10:50 PM
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11. .
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