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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 07:23 PM
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Two Amazingly Damning Stories Re: Bush/Cheney Today (Impeach Already!)
Edited on Thu Feb-02-06 07:32 PM by G_j
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1700879,00.html

Bush told Blair we're going to war, memo reveals

· PM backed invasion despite illegality warnings
· Plan to disguise US jets as UN planes
· Bush: postwar violence unlikely

Richard Norton-Taylor
Thursday February 2, 2006

Tony Blair told President George Bush that he was "solidly" behind US plans to invade Iraq before he sought advice about the invasion's legality and despite the absence of a second UN resolution, according to a new account of the build-up to the war published today.
A memo of a two-hour meeting between the two leaders at the White House on January 31 2003 - nearly two months before the invasion - reveals that Mr Bush made it clear the US intended to invade whether or not there was a second resolution and even if UN inspectors found no evidence of a banned Iraqi weapons programme.

"The diplomatic strategy had to be arranged around the military planning", the president told Mr Blair. The prime minister is said to have raised no objection. He is quoted as saying he was "solidly with the president and ready to do whatever it took to disarm Saddam".
<snip>

Mr Bush told Mr Blair that the US was so worried about the failure to find hard evidence against Saddam that it thought of "flying U2 reconnaissance aircraft planes with fighter cover over Iraq, painted in UN colours". Mr Bush added: "If Saddam fired on them, he would be in breach ".

..more..

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Report by Murray Waas (The campaign against Joseph Wilson continued even after the CIA concluded that Iraq had not tried to buy uranium from the African nation of Niger. )

http://nationaljournal.com/about/njweekly/stories/2006/0203nj3.htm

Iraq, Niger, And The CIA
By Murray Waas, special to National Journal
© National Journal Group Inc.
Thursday, Feb. 2, 2006

Vice President Cheney and his then-Chief of Staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby were personally informed in June 2003 that the CIA no longer considered credible the allegations that Saddam Hussein had attempted to procure uranium from the African nation of Niger, according to government records and interviews with current and former officials. The new CIA assessment came just as Libby and other senior administration officials were embarking on an effort to discredit an administration critic who had also been saying that the allegations were untrue.

CIA analysts wrote then-CIA Director George Tenet in a highly classified memo on June 17, 2003, "We no longer believe there is sufficient" credible information to "conclude that Iraq pursued uranium from abroad." The memo was titled: "In Response to Your Questions for Our Current Assessment and Additional Details on Iraq's Alleged Pursuits of Uranium From Abroad."

Despite the CIA's findings, Libby attempted to discredit former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, who had been sent on a CIA-sponsored mission to Niger the previous year to investigate the claims, which he concluded were baseless.
..more..


~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From Conyers' Blog today:
Attempting to Defraud the Nation Into War

http://www.conyersblog.us/archives/00000371.htm

If there is a report that has come out lately that I think is worthy of a "blog-swarm" but hasn't been yet, it is this one. Some have discussed it already (here, for example) but they are, in my view, missing the biggest bombshell in it.

In sum, a new Downing Street Memo exists -- which my staff was chasing down but was unable to obtain for inclusion in "The Constitution in Crisis." The Memo says the following, according to the Guardian:

"Mr Bush told the Mr Blair that the US was so worried about the failure to find hard evidence against Saddam that it thought of 'flying U2 reconnaissance aircraft planes with fighter cover over Iraq, painted in UN colours'. Mr Bush added: 'If Saddam fired on them, he would be in breach '."

What was really going on here? If Saddam shot down a U.S. spy plane, was the President set to claim that he had actually shot down a U.N. plane in an effort to gain world support? Is there any other reasonable explanation than that? If so, it shows that -- at the highest levels on the United States government -- previously undisclosed attempts to deceive the American people, the Congress, and the entire world into war. It is a window into the character of this Administration and elucidates that truth about whether the war was the result of an "intelligence failure" or deliberate deceptions.

Coupled with this new report by Murray Waas, the picture could not be clearer.

If you agree with me about its importance, please spread the word about this report. Let's start with the progressive media. I'll do my part.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 07:29 PM
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1. Unfuckingbelievable
<snip>

Mr Bush told Mr Blair that the US was so worried about the failure to find hard evidence against Saddam that it thought of "flying U2 reconnaissance aircraft planes with fighter cover over Iraq, painted in UN colours". Mr Bush added: "If Saddam fired on them, he would be in breach ".

<snip>
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 07:30 PM
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2. The plans to disguise US jets as UN planes is new.
Edited on Thu Feb-02-06 07:33 PM by Just Me
The rest isn't.

As a matter of fact, and my recollection isn't always terribly accurate, I do believe the whole administration knew the niger document could be a fake BEFORE it was mentioned in the SOTU. I'm fairly certain they knew prior to waging war in Iraq.

A memo was previously released concerning Bushie's EARLY decision to go to war.

Also, do you remember the information about how the administration was doing all those military ops the summer BEFORE the invasion.

These people are such fucking scum.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 10:06 PM
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28. While the rest may not be new...
It bears repeating in the press.

-Hoot
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 07:32 PM
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3. War criminals. Crimes against the peace. Until these people are in prison
Edited on Thu Feb-02-06 07:32 PM by TahitiNut
... we're an outlaw nation - the greatest threat to world peace and security since Nazi Germany and Fascist Japan.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 07:38 PM
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4. Sounds like high crimes & misdemeanors to me........
engineering a war by using deceit & deception. I'd say we have the high moral ground to force impeachment.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 08:01 PM
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6. It sure does! We'll have to add it to the LIST.
Where does it end?

* is a lying, juvenile, bully and he's running the world.
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 08:04 PM
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7. Only if someone got a blowjob on one those fake UN planes.
That's also the only way the Ministry of Propaganda will cover the story.
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samhsarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 07:44 PM
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5. The fact that Bush is still walking around a free man
is just fucking amazing.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 08:10 PM
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10. It is overwhelmingly obvious that Bush and Blair....
are in violation of Intl. Law. If the USA was still a Representative Republic with democratic foundations that the Bush and Cheney would have been Impeached already. For those not aware Impeachment is a trial to ascertain guilt or innnocence of crimes of any official of the US Govt. No sentence beyond firing can be imposed.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 08:06 PM
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8. just another day
nothing changes. well, except to see what other crime these f*ckers are getting away with under the noses of clueless americans.

dp
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 08:09 PM
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9. Nominated.
Great post! It is important to continue to keep this information in the media.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 08:12 PM
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11. KO just called the UN Plane thing a
new "Gulf of Tonkin" try by the administration. Why do I think most amerikans have no clue about the Gulf of Tonkin incident? :(
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 08:17 PM
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13. Gulf of Who?
I believe you are correct
I wonder if (the truth about) it is even taught about in school
:shrug:
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 08:28 PM
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17. did I spell it right?
sheesh! I didn't know about it until 3 years ago on DU! I have no doubt it is not in one text book in the USA. :(
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 08:58 PM
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19. Yes
that is right

here is am interesting piece from Walter Cronkite and some photos:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=3810724

August 2, 2004 · Forty years ago today, a murky military encounter at sea plunged the United States deeper into the war in Vietnam. On Aug. 2, 1964, three North Vietnamese torpedo boats attacked a U.S. destroyer in the Gulf of Tonkin. Two days later, the U.S. Navy reported to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara that another American destroyer was under attack by the North Vietnamese.

Those critical events would ultimately lead the United States to send more than a half a million American troops into Southeast Asia.

The attacks spurred Congress to pass the Gulf of Tonkin resolution, which gave President Johnson power to use force in Southeast Asia. With the measure's passage, U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War became legitimized and grew.

In 1964, CBS commentator and TV anchor Walter Cronkite knew only what official reports acknowledged. Four decades later, he offers a perspective on the incident he didn't have at the time.


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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 09:17 PM
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21. Thank you for the link. This is a good site for my boys to see..
The photos tell a story alright...



Maddox Under Attack

The three attacking North Vietnamese torpedo boats, as seen from the Maddox. The U.S. destroyer damaged two of the boats and sank the third. Retaliation by the Americans was limited to attacking those boats that day. The Maddox and another destroyer, the Turner Joy, were then deliberately positioned to draw a second attack.




Defense Secretary Robert McNamara

Two days later, on Aug. 4, McNamara, left, reported to Johnson that an American destroyer in the region was under torpedo attack by the North Vietnamese. That brief conversation was the tipping point for the entire Vietnam War. Johnson ordered American forces to openly attack the North, and he asked Congress to pass a resolution pre-approving any military actions the president would take.



Left, Johnson on Aug. 4, 1964, announcing that the U.S. will retaliate against North Vietnam for two attacks on American destroyers in the Gulf of Tonkin. Later, Johnson and others would learn the second attack, which propelled the president and Congress to enter the Vietnam War, never happened.

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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 09:23 PM
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22. that pic of McNamara gives me the creeps
Edited on Thu Feb-02-06 09:30 PM by G_j
liars!

such a horrible deja-vu

thanks so much for posting these photos!


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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 09:30 PM
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24. reminds me of rummy
only rummy seems like a thousand times worse. :(
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 09:37 PM
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25. McNamara essentially said he was sorry
and wrote a book about it decades later (and condemned the Iraq invasion I believe) there is good film/DVD called "The Fog of War"
your boys might find that interesting too.

he was a lot younger back then than Rummy is of course
I can't imagine Rummy repenting in this lifetime... LOL
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 08:14 PM
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12. Unbelievable that the media is not screaming about all this!
Is someone in the studios holding a gun to their heads? If we know about these things, surely the media and Congress knows.

I think there should be a mass mailing of this to the Senate and to Congress so that they cannot pretend they don't know about it ~ and a press conference to announce the mailing.

Rep. Conyers works so hard to get the truth out ~ it must be so difficult to know that his colleagues simply don't care enough about their country to do something about these criminals.

Will email it around to everyone I know ~ I guess we have to be the media ~
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 08:27 PM
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16. Obviously, they don't care. There is enough evidence to convict,...
,...this administration,,...evidence presented OUT IN THE OPEN; but, the CMonsters just don't give a shit about this country or its people. In my mind, they are not only appeasers to a totalitarian and criminal U.S. executive, they are RICO-type co-conspirators. There is simply no excuse. None.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 08:18 PM
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14. K and fuckin' R
Just what the hell will it take to wake up the people in this country? The rest of the world sees it. What do we have to do? :shrug:
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 08:27 PM
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15. If bush & his poodle were honorable, they would resign.
Absent that, the people need to remove them for making people die for a lie hatched between these two. The overwhelming deceit and the Deaths makes them Saddam's equal.

:nuke: Mushroom clouds...of Bush and Blair's making!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 08:41 PM
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18. glad to see Keith Olberman give Guardian report some time tonight.
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Loge23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 09:09 PM
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20. destruction of official emails
Edited on Thu Feb-02-06 09:10 PM by Loge23
Not to mention Fitzgerald's admission that certain White House emails "were not archived" for some periods of 2003.
This administration, quite simply, is a criminal enterprise.
How this is allowed to continue is beyond me.

Link for the Fitz story:
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Fitzgerald_admits_White_House_may_have_0201.html
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 09:25 PM
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23. Kick.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 09:51 PM
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26. They deserve much more than removal and impeachment.
More like prison and hard labor for the rest of their filthy lives.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 10:05 PM
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27.  "wake up the people in this country?
It is not the people's responsibilty to Impeach Bush/Cheney. It is the responsibilty of the Governors of the states or the Congress of the USA to do so.
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Clara T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 10:55 PM
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29. Important
kick it up
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 11:55 PM
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30. kickaroo! n/t
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 12:02 AM
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31. Impeach, hell
The story in The Guardian is the smoking gun.

Go directly to war crimes trials. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 05:34 AM
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32. I hope the UN can do something now
Charge him and try him!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 05:40 AM
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33. Do you see it happening?
I don't, sadly. The only real chance we have is that Bush becomes so toxic for his party that they force him out of office.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 07:43 AM
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38. like Nixon eh?
I don't even see that happening. he is still a cult of personality to those freaks. :(
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 08:01 AM
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39. I'm sorry to be so negative. Yet, after Katrina, the GOP
did seem to react away from him. Gave me hope.

They'll use him until they don't. If we manage not to drop dead from outrage, and keep up the pressure, I think we can accelerate that process.

The thing about the UN is, we are the UN. Without the implicit support of this country, I wonder how long it would last. Maybe that has changed? But it always seemed silly -- strawman -- to me when BushCo vilifies the UN. They know damn well that they have to fund the UN in order to have it around to vilify. Tawdry manipulation.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 06:26 AM
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34. Hmmm...

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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 06:29 AM
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35. Not surprised. I wonder how long these reporters have to live>
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 07:26 AM
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36. kick
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 07:34 AM
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37. Why do people still think that Bush is a Christian?
I'll never understand why people think that about him. I will never understand it in a million years.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 08:11 AM
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40. this was a top story on BBC radio last night
Edited on Fri Feb-03-06 08:31 AM by G_j
they even talked with Phillipe Sands.
Has anyone heard anything here yet?


-edit-
found this at CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/02/03/blair.bush.ap/

Blair backed war 'before U.N. vote'

Friday, February 3, 2006; Posted: 8:26 a.m. EST (13:26 GMT)

LONDON, England (AP) -- Britain's prime minister told U.S. President George W. Bush he backed the invasion of Iraq while he was still seeking a second U.N. resolution on the military action, according to British media reports.
<snip>

(it's a start)

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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 08:22 AM
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41. Any minute now
I expect a nurse to be staring over me and asking, "Justice--Justice are you awake? The operation was a success. Boy that must have been quite a bad dream you were having there."
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 05:52 PM
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42. It's only shocking in the DU echo chamber
Out in the real world people are upset about gay Cowboys winning the Oscars. :eyes:
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 10:53 PM
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43. kcik
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