This has been the plan all along, to trap the Dem's.

[slater71]

I think this has been the plan all along to get the Dem's to either cut and run or not fund the troops. That is why Bush and Rove waited until the Dem's were seated in Congress. Any way the Democrats go the Cons will say they don`t support the troops or they don`t want to win the war. Bush can also say that he tried to do the right thing and the Democrats blocked him and now the war`s out come is their fault not mine. What do you think?

[villager]

1. I think I don't give a shit what the Cons say.

It's time to do the right thing for America, and for sane people everywhere.

[napi21]

2. I don't think iit's going to work. Too many American people want us OUT!

They will contact their Pub congressmen and tell them, in no uncertain terms, either they get out, or YOU WILL!

[WI_DEM]

3. The Dems need to begin to insist on a timetable to get out of Iraq

and in the next year rather than the next three or four or five or whatever Bush has up his sleeve.

[Deja Q]

4. I fathomed that months ago, but said it carefully here.

Well, not as much about the war but their plan was to use reverse psychology as they've already screwed things up a lot?

Then the next morning I saw their faces and maybe they're good actors, but they all seemed really angry that they lost.

In short, I don't know if it was a plan, if more people could counteract any rigged machine tallies, or if they've been genuine all along.

Time will tell. But I think it'll be interesting, even if we all end up jobless or worse.

[EST]

6. Their concessionary voices, for the most part, did seem rather

brittle, didn't they?

[EST]

5. To paraphrase Lazarus Long, via Heinlein,

Sure the game is crooked, but we knew that going in. If we want to play, then play; if it offends us, don't. The only sure winner is the house-not the house of representatives.

Any battlefield may be filled with land mines, tiger traps and assorted other gotchas. Caution is important, but there is, at some point, no alternative other than plow ahead and accept whatever comes, try to develop side eyes and be prepared.

[AtomicKitten]

7. Bill Kristol was talking about this on Faux News.

They are daring the Democrats to de-fund the war. I think they want them to stop it because it is a failure and also because it will be campaign fodder for 2008.

Plus it will take attention away from the investigations right around the corner.

[sendero]

8. Only the 30%..

... idiot-contingent is going to buy it.

There are still morons who claim we could have "won Vietnam" if the liberal media didnt' stop us. Then they wipe the drool off their chin.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

9. Is there some way to get Bush to veto the troop spending bill?

I know that sounds like politics on the part of the Democrats and frankly I'm fed up with politics. The Bush Administration is about nothing but playing politics, and this case is no different. But could perhaps the Democrats tie certain conditions into the funding of the war such that Bush would not want to sign the bill and have to bear the burden of vetoing support for the war? Would it be possible, for example, to tie in funding of alternative energy to a vast extent never seen (i.e. match dollar-for-dollar spending on alternative energy and spending for the war), on the basis that our troops in Iraq are in fact fighting and getting killed to secure the oil and that development of alternative energy is also supporting the troops?

[stansnark]

11. yes. make him raise taxes to pay for it.

[jsamuel]

10. no offence, but duh... So what, we should do what is right in this case, which

also happens to be what the American people want. Easy decision... Just don't let Bush/Cheney get away with saying "I would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those Democrats and their pesky bloggers!"

[Az]

12. Not exactly the plan all along but close

Call it adaption. Once the Repugs realized they were going to lose the house and senate they had to adapt their plans. And once the Dems were in place the plan practically wrote itself. The thing to do to detroy your opponent is to find a way to let their natural tendencies destroy themself. Thus they play our desire for peace against us.

The only way out of this is for the Dems to investigate, investigate, investigate, investigate, investigate, investigate, investigate, investigate, investigate, investigate, investigate, investigate, investigate, investigate, investigate, investigate, investigate, investigate, investigate, investigate, investigate, investigate, investigate, investigate, investigate, investigate, investigate, investigate, investigate, investigate, investigate, investigate, investigate, investigate, etc.

Publish every dirty trick the reps pulled to get us into this war and peg them to it so they cannot escape. The only way for the Dems to come through this in any way intact is for them to show the Citizens just how disgusting this war really is.

George has been freed by the Dems winning. Before we won George was accountable for the war. After anything that goes wrong he can pin to the Dems. This has to be made into George's War. And it has to be made an example of the worst war ever. Not just so you and I can see it. But so everyone can see the horrid truth of it.

[karlrschneider]

13. I doubt it...for that 'plan' to work they'd have to be willing to let the Dems take congress

which of course we did but I really don't think they wanted that.

[pretzel4gore]

14. for $2 billion a week(?), what do we get?

throwing real money, as real as the citizen uses at the supermarket or gas station, after a 'war' that was a conjob from the start, must p.o. huge numbers who need be careful every time they go to the supermarket, and grimace mightily every time they gas up!
screw iraq-let bush liberate it, or whatever he wants, on his own...it's nothing to do with us!

[cosmicone]

15. Watch the vote

The republicans will be the one in a quandry, defect and whatever dems decide will appear bipartisan.

[BadgerKid]

16. Cut the tax cuts and give that to Iraq instead

if they're supporting Dimson.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

17. LOL