How does dumping the war on the next prez help Chimpy's legacy?

[npincus]

I don't get it.

I hear ad nauseum pundits discussing how Chimp does not want to pull troops out on his watch, as that is an admission of defeat (or some such reason). Why is it better to have another person clean up his mess? It will still be, always be "B*sh's War"-- he owns it. He's diminished even further (in my view) by his impotence to fix the mess of his own making, and his lacking the character to admit any miscalculation. Wouldn't it help his legacy to wrap up it and stick a happy face of "victory" on its conclusion? Rather than pull up the dump truck on a more able president?

I really don't get it.

[acmavm]

1. It's an idea that apparently blivet has that if he can hold out

the next guy will get blamed for everything.

I would be more worried if I DID understand his train of thought if I were you. Because that train left the tracks a LOONNNGGGGG time ago.

[Catherine Vincent]

9. If he believes that, then he really IS an idiot.

[ShortnFiery]

2. Every day that we do not redeploy our troops to the periphery

of UAE and Kuwait, more soldiers and civilians die. They die needlessly.

Our troops are in the middle of a Civil War. Only those who have sworn a blood oath to Dear Leader believe that 20,000 more troops will have any impact. What's tragic is that it will only provide more American TARGETS for *both sides* to fire at.

The puppet-master is Darth Cheney but the head of the snake is King George. We can slow him down by IDing specific expenditures. Their poor buds in Halliburton need to take a much smaller cut this time. If possible, Congress could allot monies for the supplies and welfare IDd for The Troops but cut-off the war profiteers. Now the foregoing may be difficult, but it's well worth the effort. ;)

[mod mom]

3. Not rational but I think he believes the next prez will be held responsible

for "losing" the war. He will claim, if they followed through with his plan-it would have taken time , but we would have prevailed.

(btw our AAR switched to rw talk today and when I got in the car there was some kook saying the win will take 12 YEARS not 12 months and that the dems are too impatient. Obviously their kids aren't losing their lives.)

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

4. If that's the plan, he better check out LBJ's "legacy".

Who was one hell of a lot smarter and more politically adept than the current Texan infesting the White House.

[ShortnFiery]

6. Hey! Hey! LBJ! How many kids did you kill today!?!

That's my point! = Our Congress must do all within it's power to put the skids on this occupation.

YES! If our Democratic Congress does not show a spine, the next Democratic President will be partially blamed for this horrific mistake.

Congress needs to ID specific expenditures and control the purse strings now. THAT would help ensure that, if a Democrat is elected President in 2008, he/she will not be held accountable for the Iraq tragedy.

[Double T]

5. With bush, it ALWAYS someone else's fault............

and the failure of his administration with his war is NO different. The rethugs rewrote history with reagan, BUT they're NOT going to get away with rewriting history for the chimp. bush started IT, failed at IT and lost IT.

[LeftCoast]

7. You see, you only lose by pulling out

So the next pres will be the loser, not W. He thinks he'll be able to argue that. There are still a lot of wingnuts out there who argue that we only lost Vietnam because the 'libruls' wouldn't go big.

That's my take on it anyway.

[C_eh_N_eh_D_eh]

8. The next guy gets stuck with the cleanup, that's how.

Sorting out America's mess in Iraq is going to be a dirty, dirty job. Not only will the war profiteers and right-wingers be blocking it from all directions, but even the tasks that yield effective results will at every step be sure to offend *somebody*. There will be no "happy face of 'victory'".

Whoever takes the Presidency for 2008 will have to deal with that mess, and if the Repugs engineer it right, he'll get more slime on him by attempting to clean it up than * did by making the mess in the first place. Then by '12, or even '10, the fickle, forgetful populace will be crying for the great GOP to save them from yet another screw-up Democrat.

I'm too young and foreign to remember myself, but I think they did basically the same thing to Jimmy Carter after Vietnam.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

10. Maybe he's counting on the next guy not pulling out.

Kinda like Nixon.

[chelsea0011]

11. Legacy? I've never seen a President thinking more of his legacy

than this slacker. His legacy is already ethched in stone. I want to see what he will do as an ex-President. Will any school name their building after him? Will any government buildings or ships have his name? This guy will be as useless fater leaving office as he was in the brutal 8 years he was President.

[zbdent]

12. Makes me wonder ... how can the Repukes even consider fielding another

candidate for Prez in 08 since they said "You can't change horses in midstream - we're at war!" in 2004 ...

[leftofthedial]

13. forever thereafter, repukes can claim that it was really the next president

who "lost" the war

[npincus]

15. which means we can asume a GOP prez will not pull out either

[hlthe2b]

14. some have suggested the Saigon Chopper evacuation....

photos had a lot to do with Ford's loss to Carter. Rove has probably convinced the little Shrub that is the case so that he will hold the course, thinking his replacement will be blamed for whatever embarrassing, violent exit we have to make from Iraq once Bush* is long gone.

I don't believe it with Ford and I don't believe it will make a difference with BUsh*. As more and more details come out about exactly how contrived this unnecessary war actually was, as well as how horrendously mismanaged, and how much theft has occurred--I don't see how anything can help Bush* legacy. :shrug:

[applegrove]

16. I think they think they can win in 2008 if McCain is seen as a better Hawk than

obama/clinton/biden/Richardson/kerry/edwards & all the rest of the dem candidates for 2008. If a Democratic President does win the election then they either stay or leave...loosing the war.

[treestar]

17. The attention span of the public is so short

It will all become the fault of the next president in no time, as the media won't have as much fun blaming Chimpy because he will be retired to Paraguay and won't be part of the Big Drama. Some of the sheeple won't remember who got us into it or will be too young to know.

Whereas the new president will be having to deal with the mess and take steps that may be unpopular, and of course the pundits will be criticizing this and claiming it should be done another way, as to what is being done then, even if the undertaking was originally Chimpy's fault.

Or they'll be blaming Clinton.