Will US soldiers be harmed by a nuclear strike in Iran by Israel?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

:shrug:

[PDJane]

1. If they manage to survive

The US use of Depleted Uranium in the Gulf, the fallout from nuclear weapons used by Israel or the US will do it.

It's long past time for proliferation to end. Way past time.

We are killing ourselves and our unborn children.

[aquart]

2. Israel is not going to nuke Iran.

What a remarkably stupid subject for a thread.

The point of nuclear weapons is to make people afraid to ATTACK you. That is their ONLY value. If you drop one nearby, your own people become collateral damage. And everything in the MidEast is nearby Israel. A bomb dropped in Iran would mean refugees in a very mean mood swarming over borders. Israel has porous borders and a small population that would be swamped by refugees.

But you keep looking under your bed for that Jewish boogeyman that haunts your nightmares.

[BlueStateModerate]

3. B-but Drudge said so! n/t

[originalpckelly]

5. No, this is a story Sy Hersch has been reporting on for a while. This is not about all Jews...

or all Israelis, but the far right Likud Party.

They are the rightwingers whom collaborated with our rightwingers. The neo-cons all have extensive ties to Israel, whereas the Internationalists, in the form of Baker and Scowcroft have ties to the Arab countries. They are the ones who got in bed with Saddam.

Cheney and Rumsfeld used to be Internationalists, but when Saddam attack Kuwait and we eventually found out that Saddam was year away from nukes in '91, they became neo-cons.

Iraq was a mistake, it was not intentional. These people think they are doing something good, they aren't doing any of this for nefarious reasons, they are completely delusional.

That makes this very possible.

[babylonsister]

8. So you'll only consider the possibility after it happens?

This could all be a political ploy, but I'm not willing to discount it totally.

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=t...

Israel has plans for nuclear strike on Iran -paper
Sat Jan 6, 2007 11:20 PM GMT17


LONDON (Reuters) - Israel has drawn up secret plans to destroy Iran's uranium enrichment facilities with tactical nuclear weapons, the Sunday Times newspaper said.

Citing what it said were several Israeli military sources, the paper said two Israeli air force squadrons had been training to blow up an enrichment plant in Natanz using low-yield nuclear "bunker busters".

Two other sites, a heavy water plant at Arak and a uranium conversion plant at Isfahan, would be targeted with conventional bombs, the Sunday Times said.

The U.N. Security Council voted unanimously last month to slap sanctions on Iran to try to stop uranium enrichment that Western powers fear could lead to making bombs. Tehran insists its plans are peaceful and says it will continue enrichment.

Israel has refused to rule out pre-emptive military action against Iran along the lines of its 1981 air strike against an atomic reactor in Iraq, though many analysts believe Iran's nuclear facilities are too much for Israel to take on alone.

more...

[originalpckelly]

4. Yes, and this will basically totally fuck the world up.

But it may be a bluff to get Iran to attack us, or to get them back to the bargaining table. It's in a Murdoch paper, so he wants it. That means the reichwingers here and in Israel approve of the message. So this may be apart of some game.

Or they could actually be ready to attack Iran. It just doesn't bode well for the world.

[bananas]

6. Physicians for Social Responsibility did a report on this

You can download the pdf here: http://www.ippnw.org/PDF%20files/PSR2005RNEP.pdf

http://www.nti.org/e_research/e5_publications_NW.html#nuclearweapons25

Projected Casualties Among US Military Personnel and Civilian Populations from the Use of Nuclear Weapons Against Hard and Deeply Buried Targets
Peter Wilk, Sarah Stanlick, Martin Butcher, Michael McCally, Ira Helfand, Robert Gould, John Pastore, Physicians for Social Responsibility, May 2005
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Over the last decade, some U.S. political and military leaders have expressed increasing concerns about the potential use of nuclear, biological or chemical (NBC) weapons against the United States and its allies. This potential threat has led to an increasing willingness of American strategists to consider the use of nuclear weapons for counterproliferation. To this end, the President’s budget requests have proposed funding for the Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator (RNEP) a “bunker-busting” nuclear bomb, intended to penetrate hard surfaces such as rock
and explode underground. To fulfill plans for development of an RNEP to be ready for deployment by 2013, the administration has pursued the adaptation of an existing bomb, the B83, with a yield of 1.2 megatons (approximately 80 times the explosive power of the bomb used on Hiroshima). Yet recently published analysis by both the National Academy of Sciences and independent physicists, echoed in Congressional testimony by the head of the National Nuclear Security Administration,
concludes that nuclear earth penetrating weapons cannot penetrate deeply enough to contain underground a nuclear explosion and the resulting radiation. Using a computer model developed by the Department of Defense, Physicians for
Social Responsibility (PSR) calculates that the use of such a weapon against targets in Iran or North Korea could cause millions of deaths, and lead to millions more acute and long-term health effects for U.S. military personnel and local
populations in the affected regions. In one scenario, use of the RNEP against Isfahan in Iran, as many as 20,000 US military personnel stationed in Afghanistan and 35 million innocent civilians in Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India could
receive doses of radiation high enough to cause a significant health impact, including as many 3 million deaths. These factors should weigh heavily against proceeding with the RNEP program.


Earth Penetrating Nuclear Warheads against Deep Targets: Concepts, Countermeasures, and Consequences

Ivan Oelrich, Blake Purnell, Scott Drewes, The Federation of American Scientists (FAS), April 2005
View report

Attacking “hard and deeply buried” targets is the chief justification for developing new capabilities for nuclear weapons or even a new generation of nuclear weapons. The proposed Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator (RNEP) and possible future nuclear weapons are specifically designed to destroy underground facilities. This paper very briefly examines the concept of how and why nuclear earth penetrating weapons would be used, a possible countermeasure, and the consequences of their use. We find that attacking underground targets with nuclear weapons is conceptually unsound, countermeasures are available, and the consequences of an attack would be grave.

[originalpckelly]

12. I know why these things are dangerous, it's like a blank in a gun.

Instead of gunpowder exploding, it's a nuke. Instead of hot gas shooting out, irradiated vaporized soil will shoot out.

Hopefully, the idiots will test it out on one site first to see how it works, so when the radioactive cloud comes shooting out of the ground, they'll know to call off the other attacks. But who knows, they may try to do it simultaneously. This is just about the worst possible thing that could happen.

[LynnTheDem]

7. Oh yes.

[BeHereNow]

9. Ever heard the phrase, "Fish in a barrel?"

The real question is why the American people don't care that
their leaders know perfectly well what will happen to US troops
in the region in such a scenario and still insist on attacking Iran.

Let's be realistic for a moment-
Anyone with half a brain knows that it is not Israel
who attacked Lebanon, nor will it be Israel who
attacks Iran.

The US is behind all of it.
Israel is simply a tool in the neocon toolbox, as
are our troops.

They care not a whit about the troops or Israel,
much less the people of any country.

If Congress allows this travesty to proceed,
they should all be tried for treason.

BHN

[shadowknows69]

11. What BeHereNow said

100% spot on. "We have met the enemy and the enemy is us". Or some more sinister force that wants chaos on a global scale.

[annabanana]

10. Does anyone in charge care? At all?

I doubt it.