Subject: Military Coups

[donsu]

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Subject: Military Coups

Sorry to tell, but people who live outside the US and know what is coming back in the form of mental health deficiencies; ie: PTSD, plus the extremely lowered standards for admittance into your armed forces, both mental and educational, is bound to rebound (trained killers). We have been saying for a while now that there is a good chance of a military coup in the US (http://www.lacitybeat.com/article.php?id=4840&IssueNum=187) because there has never been a more vulnerable time with such a weak presidency (regardless of his delusions of grandeur).

Many of us believe that the military command are fed up with having to deal with idiots who twist their arms and force them to agree to idiotic proposals such as "surging" the insurgency. They are going to do something to protect their men and women which means, of course, a coup. Should be interesting considering you Americans have already been deprived of many of your freedoms and are mainly living in an autocratic democracy (oxymoronic, no?).

Though I am an atheist, I hope that your American god, in whom you trust (your currency says you do), takes pity on you and saves you from your administration's errors in judgement.

A BuzzFlash Reader

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have america ever had a military coup? (not that I know of)

no god is going to save america. it we are saved it will be by our own doing or not at all.

[JohnnyLib2]

1. This seems less unbelievable every month.

Gulp.

[MADem]

2. Well, the American revolution was a bit of one....though it was a citizen army that did some of the

heavy lifting. Of course, a good bunch of Frenchmen in uniform helped too...and our first President, who could have been King, was a General.....

That said, we have civilian control of the military, so a military coup would be quite the trick. Don't hold your breath.

[Taxloss]

3. Military coups are not at all good for democracy, and should not be hoped for.

If senior officers in the military had such serious problems with the administration in the White House that they wanted it gone, they could do a lot of things that would hurry along that aim, such as leaking damaging documents.

However, for military officers to plot against the president is prima facie treason. Their loathing for the administration would have to be so overpoweringly strong that they were prepared to risk facing the ultimate penalty - death. Military plots against civilian authorities are incredibly serious matters. I cannot imagine any man or woman who has devoted their lives to serving the Constitution of the United States wanting to overthrow its fundamental precept - that power rests with the people - just in order to achieve or hasten a result that will happen in just two years anyway.

[Hangingon]

4. I agree

They may become like impeachment. Once rare and now common.

[sweetheart]

5. the military coup was a long time ago

There is nothing to the united states (government) except the miltiary global warming complex,
melting the ice to rise the sea levels and drown all their enemies (liberals in port cities and lowlands
around the world)

[Taxloss]

7. Politics is not related to height above sea level.

Plenty of conservatives in lowlands; lots of liberals in highlands.

[sweetheart]

13. Port cities

A 7 meter sea level rise would hit every port city worldwide, where mostly
working class people live, that as urban voters vote more blue than red, or
ken livingston would not be mayor of london. You can see by this first
diagram what such a sea level change would do for liberal amsterdam, rotterdam,
london and hamburg. As most of the world's population lives as urban poor,
to say that urban areas are equal is not ever having looked at an electoral map.


correlation:





- maps generated by this website: http://flood.firetree.net/

[Taxloss]

14. If you take the example of the UK,

low-lying Conservative-voting areas in the south and east are inundated, but the strongly left-wing areas of the north, Wales, and Scotland, are preserved.

And I for one would not be sorry to see the back of the vulgar millionaires' playground that is Dubai.

Port cities include the Western financial linchpins of London and New York; but not the "Old European" strongholds of Berlin, Frankfurt and Paris. Russia is broadly preserved; much of the southern US lost.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

6. A military coup would be about the only thing worse than BushCorp.

[TahitiNut]

11. Agreed! Yet we still see DUers 'hoping' for the troops to rebel/mutiny.

Such 'wishes' are, imho, abominable. :scared:

[htuttle]

8. Q: "Why has there never been a coup d'etat in the United States?"

A: "Because there is no US Embassy there."

(old joke, heard from a citizen of Guatemala)

[Monkeyman]

9. This has started in the Ranks

More and More troops refusing to go back

[sanskritwarrior]

20. What has started within the ranks?

So far 1000 or so people have signed the appeal for redress and some single number thousands (don't know the exact number) have gone AWOL. I don't know what you mean, here on my base, one of our brigades and it's Division Headquarters deployed in August. 9,000 soldiers total they had 3 go AWOL the week before. 3 out of 9,000, I know there is a % that refuse to go back, but "more and more" is not exactly the term I would use. It's a fairly conistent percentage every deployment.

That being said I will not participate in a coup. The other day I think it was Kentuck that asked me "what orders would I not follow"? Well I would refuse to take part in a coup. If my officer ordered me to overthrow Bush I would arrest my officer, if my officer in 2010 ordered me to overthrow Obama, Clinton, or Edwards, I would arrest my officer. The military exists to safeguard the nation and its inhabitants, we are not in the business of overthrowing our govt. If a coup took place, I would round up as many of my platoon mates as would side with me and offer our services to whatevr military or police units that would be trying to ovrthrow the coup members. Yes that means that if a fellow soldier joined the coup I would consider him an enenmy of America.

[genie_weenie]

10. No military coups but we have had

so-called insurrections. Which is just a way that Facist Statists relabel popular attempts to gain rights.

Shay's "Rebellion" 1786
The Whiskey "Rebellion" 1794
Dorr's "Rebellion" 1841
Haymarket Square "Riot" 1886
Ludlow 1913
The Bonus Army march on Washington 1932

[donsu]

12. thank you for this info

nt

[frogcycle]

15. there was that little skirmish

called the War Between the States.
Not exactly a military coup attempt, since a civilian government led it, but it came close


I agree with earlier post that a "coup" is not likely, the possibility so remote as to be nonexistent.

The rank and file will not turn on their superiors - at least not in any significant numbers - we had tent-fragging in VN and no doubt incidents now as well.
The top brass will not lead a "coup" or any sort of power-grab.

I CAN envision top brass either resigning en masse, or going public in opposition, thus guaranteeing end of career. I CAN envision some back-channel communications between Armed Services Committee members and top brass. Not mutinous, but at least candid conversations that might lead to something as-yet not envisioned. Picture both congressional committees AND the Joint Chiefs ALL issuing a statement like the Pelosi/Reid letter. Far-fetched, perhaps, but the circumstances continue to become more and more dire.

[genie_weenie]

17. Well, I also left off the 1960s.

Because I only wanted to highlight earlier and more obscure fights against oppression which DUers may be unaware of.

[JohnnyLib2]

16. This lib/Du'er does not want a coup by any means.

The concern is that deperate men do desperate things. Thoughts of a coup presumably are conceived of as extreme patriotism by military personnel who have them. Can we really assume that no one has such thoughts in the Pentagon? I see this concern mounting until or unless Congress somehow curtails the current admin. Scary scenario.

[Larry Ogg]

18. The American government has supplied and propped up military coup d'états around the world

I joined the Navy in 1973 so I’m not sure if I remember correctly but I think when I was sworn in part of the oath had something to do with defending the constitution. If that’s the case and some-one is violating and trying to destroy the constitution such as… lets say an unelected president… Ware does your duty lie? Another point too be made is that I have seen over the years, the American government has supplied and propped up military coup d'états around the world with the intent of overthrowing democratically elected governments who refuse to allow American corporations the right to fleece there national resources. Quite a double standard we have here in the U.S., you don’t see it on network news and most Americans like to pretend that stuff like that doesn’t really go on, you know the story, stuff like that is too depressing, its better to worry about fun things like baseball, basketball and football. Its ironic isn’t it, one of the first words most Americans learn is ball, then they go through life and that’s all they worry about. Sorry, a little off the subject but I guess most people don’t worry about coups as long as they can have there ball.

[leftofthedial]

19. one could argue that the takeover of our government and economy

by the military industrial complex post-WWII was in effect a military coup.