I think the WH visitors list is no longer public knowledge due to visits by Jeff Gannon/Guckert

[NNN0LHI]

A male prostitute coming to the White House on a regular basis would be very hard to explain away as just doing the peoples business.

Don

[salin]

1. while that is true... the timing suggests hiding Abramoff connections

remember when there were FOIA requests filed to get the number of Abramoff visits - I think this is a result of that. Don't want the public to seen how owned bush is.

[leftofthedial]

and Abramoff (along with LOTS of other bagmen)

and Osama

[MADem]

2. And Jack Abramoff, photographed inside but not on any lists... NT

[bluerum]

3. I am sure that if that list was examined it would show connections

to an ever increasing number of unsavory characters. When the "dots are connected" they would lead to, shall we say, a somewhat incriminating group of people? Perhaps the people on the list are not all that questionable, but their links to organizations and people would be very telling.

Damn. I hope Rep.Waxman and his the oversight committee can investigate the people who have relationships with a few of the people on the visitors list.

[Scout1071]

4. I think Gannon is the tip of the iceberg on those lists.

[madrchsod]

5. the power of subpoena

and the refusal to testify. if they are not guilty what have they have to hide? it seems their logic has come back to destroy them...

[EvangelOphileBlican]

50. It's Kenny (boy) Lay and other energy company power brokers.

And giving a pitbull like Henry Waxman subpoena power has them squirtin through their undies.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

6. I'm another of a mind it's Abramoff and his ilk that are more the cause.

I think this is their way of damage control now that investigations have come knocking at their door.

[NNN0LHI]

7. All Bush has left is his base, the "true believers"

Shenanigans with Abramoff will not bother them folks in the least.

But a male prostitute in the oval office would.

Don

[mithnanthy]

49. NNNLOHI...I totally agree.

Crusader Bunnypants may not understand or care about the consequences of starting an illegal war, but I'm sure he knows what a scandal and humiliation this would be for him and his family. I think it's a more explosive embarassment for these hypocrits.

[Benhurst]

8. Yeah, why would they try to hide evidence of Jeff's overnighters

at the White House?

Who would have been interested in having him there other than someone who has some sort of fetish about machismo and bald men?

[WinkyDink]

12. I'm going to print out copies of this and leave them around, just for fun, like in the library,

a restroom, wherever. Maybe at the local Republic club.

This man is a sicko, and people need to see it.

[SpiralHawk]

19. A fetish for macho baldies? Who could that be?

Commander AWOL?

[specimenfred1984]

9. Ted Haggart's "friends"

Meth users, prostitutes and who knows what other kinds of criminals came along with him to the "White House of morals" too. Karl Rove probably has an interesting list of visitors, and Condi probably has had a few "ministers" come visit her.

[NavyDavy]

10. is this legal? since we own the whitehouse, and we have the right to know

[Virginia Dare]

21. The laws don't apply to the chimp or darth...

they've made that abundantly clear for some time now. Sickening, isn't it?

[SpiralHawk]

11. Well, the male prostitute only visited Bush's White House about 100 times

so you can't really begin to infer anything from that, can you?

No wonder the corporate media has barely emitted a squeak about George AWOL Bush's White House and the bevy of visits from a male prostitute.

[NNN0LHI]

13. Only about a hundred times? Someone has been busy? n/t

[SpiralHawk]

14. Ooops, my bad. the Male prostitute visited Bush's White House over 200 times

according to the official Secret Service records;.

Here's a link: http://mediamatters.org/items/200512020010

BUSH WHITE HOUSE'S MALE PROSTITUTE, THE SO-CALLED JEFF GANNON

[NNN0LHI]

15. I wonder if the media would have at least asked a Dem Prez about that by now?

I suspect they might have?

Don

[SpiralHawk]

16. I suspect your suspicion is spot on

But republicon sex deviants are "special" and so get "special" treatments from their friends in the corporate media borg.

[pinto]

29. I don't think homosexuality is deviant. But prostitution is illegal,

so there may be an issue there. Personally, I think it's more about influence peddling, those energy bill meetings in Cheney's office and such and not some sexual piccadillos. Just my two cents...

[bananarepublican]

61. Bush has imposed a "don't ask, don't tell" policy on the WH press gaggle!!! n/t

[leftchick]

63. I thought it was 200 visits

Imagine if we had a real media in this country what a story that would be.

[Captain Hilts]

37. He visited using a FALSE NAME. You try that and see what happens. nt

[Garbo 2004]

17. Secret Svs already released records re: Gannon. It's Abramoff's visits WH was trying to cover.

The timing of the WH/SS agreement not coincidental:

The five-page document dated May 17 declares that all entry and exit data on White House visitors belongs to the White House as presidential records rather than to the Secret Service as agency records. Therefore, the agreement states, the material is not subject to public disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act.

In the past, Secret Service logs have revealed the comings and goings of various White House visitors, including Monica Lewinsky and Clinton campaign donor Denise Rich, the wife of fugitive financier Marc Rich, who received a pardon in the closing hours of the Clinton administration.

The memo last spring was signed by the White House and Secret Service the day after a Washington-based group asked a federal judge to impose sanctions on the Secret Service in a dispute over White House visitor logs for Abramoff.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070105/ap_on_go_pr_wh/white_house_visitors

[NNN0LHI]

18. Are you sure the regular Jeff Gannon/Guckert visits to the WH ended?

I guess we will never know now.

Don

[babylonsister]

20. And don't forget all those righteous political souls involved in Hookergate.

There's quite the cast of characters here:

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/cats/hookergate/

[Maven]

22. OMG, not this shit AGAIN

How can we make this any clearer?

NOT EVERYONE YOU DON'T LIKE IS GAY.

[NNN0LHI]

23. WTF you talking about? Be the same as if it were a female prostitute visiting the WH regularly

Don't even try and give me this shit that I can't talk about it because it is a male prostitute. That detail isn't my fault.

Don

[Maven]

24. Don't YOU give me that line

The purpose of this thread (and many of the replies, esp. the "who has a bald head fetish? hmm?" reply upthread) is to insinuate that Bush is gay, hence the "coverup" of WH visitor logs.

Don't try to play innocent. And don't pretend you would even care as much if the prostitute were a woman. I didn't see you weighing in on the "hookergate" thread.

[NNN0LHI]

25. There are a lot of threads I "haven't weighed in on"

Because there are a lot of threads maybe? I haven't even seen any "hookergate" threads.

Quit trying to read my mind and get the fuck out of my face.

Don

[Maven]

26. The fact that you're so defensive is evidence enough

Fact is, you've been called out on your bullshit and you don't like it one bit.

Take your homophobic nonsense somewhere else.

David :hi:

[NNN0LHI]

27. No the fact actually is that you're so defensive is evidence enough

Fact is, you've been called out on your bullshit and you are the one who doesn't like it one bit.

Take your Bush defending nonsense somewhere else.

Don :hi:

[Maven]

28. Weak.

You've violated so many DU rules at this point I've lost count.

BTW, you just tacitly admitted to doing exactly what I said you were doing, since you apparently believe that rejecting the baseless insinuation that someone is gay simply because you don't like them = "defending" that person in some regard.

Well done.

[NNN0LHI]

30. If what you just wrote actually made any sense I would respond to it

But it doesn't.

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance baffle them with bullshit.

Don

[Maven]

31. Sorry it's beyond your level of comprehension. nt

[ldf]

40. hey harve. get a clue.

NNNOLHI is NOT in any way implying that being gay is a problem.

you are WAY off base and owe don an apology.

do a little research before you start calling people out.

if anyone should be reported to the mods, it's YOU.

[Maven]

41. You get a clue.

Shenanigans with Abramoff will not bother them folks in the least.

But a male prostitute in the oval office would.

Don

The OP is obsessed with using homophobia as a weapon against Bush, as are many of his cohorts on this thread. It can't be spelled out any more clearly. How would you respond to a thread where the OP speculated as to how to use racism against a political enemy? Did you approve of the Willie Horton ad?

BTW, I've DONE my research, thanks. I think the OP is generally supportive but he seems obsessed with asserting the "right" to out people for political gain. This thread was misguided, and echoes much of the "is Bush gay?" (of COURSE he is, he's evil!) speculation that has gotten so tiresome. After being alerted to homophobic content of his post, the OP resorted to personal attacks and "calling me out" in further violation of the DU rules.

It's nice that you've come to your buddy's aid (and just in time, too--funny, that), but you obviously haven't read or understood what was posted here.

[NNN0LHI]

42. Yes we shouldn't question why a male prostitute was invited to the White House 200 times

I am sure Bush and his minions would agree with that wholeheartedly.

Don

[Maven]

43. He was at the WH for PRESS BRIEFINGS, parties, etc.

He was hired as a RW SHILL to lob softball questions at the Press Secretary. Or are you so obsessed with the possibility of a sex scandal you've completely forgotten the substance of the story? To me, Gannon/Guckert personifies the shameless manipulation of the truth/public opinion via fake "news" and other methods of propaganda.

And until you can show me that someone at the WH solicited sexual favors from him on one of those 200 visits, all you're doing is parroting the same "gay by association" bullcrap that the people you claim to hate are so adept at. And if you actually did go out of your way to prove it, you know what would happen? NOTHING. At the end of the day, all you would have accomplished is to perpetuate bigotry.

That's fine, though. Go ahead and develop your "case," drudge up that rumor and innuendo, and produce your own gay version of the Willie Horton ad if it makes you feel better. Me, I'll focus on the multitude of EVIDENCE of high crimes and misdemeanors and work to get the MFer impeached.

[NNN0LHI]

44. Are you suggesting the only person they could find to lob...

...softball questions at Bush's Press Secretary was a male prostitute with two names? He was the only one available for the job? With all the available right wing shills available out there he was the one they picked?

You may be right? But I shouldn't have to take your word on it. Should I? I would like to know who suggested giving him the job and issued his WH press credentials. And I have about another hundred questions that he should be asked while under oath.

Don

[Maven]

45. I'm sure that'll be the Dems' #1 priority

Right after they get to the whole "rush to war based on lies" thing. :eyes:

[NNN0LHI]

47. Wow you updated your last post. He was at the WH for parties too?

I didn't know that until just now.

We have went from a softball lobbing shill at press briefings to being invited to WH parties?

Sounds like he had some serious connections in the WH doesn't it?

And actually he was part of the "rush to war based on lies" thing now that you mention that too.

I remember some of his pro-war questions now.

I remember the Freepers used to use Talon news as a source regularly too.

Interesting. Thanks for the info.

Don

[Maven]

48. Glad I could help. nt

[ThomCat]

51. No he doesn't owe anyone an apology

We keep seeing this same shit over and over. Implying that this policy was changed just to let a gay prostitute in to visit bush IS implying that Bush is gay. And I'm another one of the people who's sick of seeing every bad republican accused of being gay.

Get off your high horse.

[SpiralHawk]

62. Actually, the thread insinuates that Bush & republicons are hypocrites

For posturing as Moral Paragons, while carrying on suspiciously with prostitutes. The prostitute happens to be a man, who happens to have declared himself gay.

That's how I read it. No shit from anyone but Commander AWOL & the hypocritical republicons

[rpgamerd00d]

32. Did you just imply that all male prostitutes are gay?

Do you have any idea what a "prostitute" is and what they do for money?

It has very little to do with sex/sexual preference. They get paid to do what they do.
The gender of the trick, and what they want, are irrelevant.

[Maven]

33. The purpose of this thread was to insinuate that BUSH or someone else at the WH

is gay.

I expressed no opinion as to Gannon/Guckert's actual sexuality, although I believe he is open about his homosexuality at this point. He wrote a (thankfully) short-lived column for the Washington Blade.

[rpgamerd00d]

34. Not true at all.

If a prostitute (any prostitute, male/female, gay/straight) were going to the WH, even if it was just to visit someone they knew, would LOOK bad, politically.

I'm not saying they are hiding the logs because of hookers, but there is definitely SOMEONE the WH does not want discovered on those logs.

[Maven]

35. It's been made very clear to the OP elsewhere on this thread that the Gannon-related

logs have already been RELEASED, and that the withholding of information more likely has to do with the Jack Abramoff scandal. Yet the issue continues to be pressed, and various other posters have suggested that Bush has a "thing" for "macho, bald-headed men."

What it amounts to is animosity toward Bush expressed as speculation about his sexuality. It's the same homophobic nonsense that pops up here again and again.

[NMMNG]

38. Of course they are

They're also mentally ill. :sarcasm:

[Maven]

39. Exactly

I wonder how we can use that against Bush? :sarcasm:

[devilgrrl]

53. Oh shut up!

:eyes:

[Maven]

55. Go back to myspace

and let the grownups talk.

Thanks.

[devilgrrl]

56. You're a grown up?

Must be with all that feigned outrage - no surprises there.

[Maven]

57. ?

Do you have anything to contribute, or do you also believe it's a good idea to speculate that people you don't like are gay because they might know gay people?

Tell me, how *can* we best exploit homophobia to win elections?

I'm having a hard time understanding what your "beef" is here since you didn't articulate anything other than an eyeroll.

[devilgrrl]

58. You're the one making shit up, your comments have nothing to do with the op

you're stirring shit up over nothing. Guckert's a tool - gay or not.

[Maven]

59. Did you even read the thread?

You're right, Guckert is a tool, gay or not.

So is Bush. It just amazes me that instead of hating Bush BECAUSE he's a bigot, the OP and others on this thread can't wait to figure out how they can USE bigotry against him. That was the point. Please read before commenting next time round.

[Stephanie]

65. We are speculating whether a PROSTITUTE spent time with someone in the WH

Specifically, George Bush or Karl Rove. Since Gannon/Guckert advertised himself as a GAY PROSTITUTE and also VISITED THE WH 200 TIMES, it is a legitimate question. Your outrage seems, how shall I say it, insincere.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

36. I think it's not only Gannon...

but a long line of people on a variety of issues Bush doesn't want looked into. Where did Cheney meet the energy people when he was devising the energy/Iraq oil fields policy? Where did all the war cheerleaders meet with the Administration? All the lobbiest who made things happen -- including ol' Jack -- when and who did they see at the WH? Were the people involved with the Plame affair visiting the WH?

They are trying had to delete the paper trail to the WH -- these records are just the latest "disappeared"...

[pitohui]

46. that's what i think too don EOM

.

[Catherine Vincent]

52. Bush is not gay!

How dare you insinuate that?! :sarcasm:

[napi21]

54. I believe this started just before CHeney had his Energy Meeting

shortly after he took office back in 2000. I've read many times that secrecy has beenCheney's priority dating back to the Nixon admin.

[Garbo 2004]

60. This specific agreement between WH/Secret Svs dated May 2006 provides blanket cover to visitor

logs from FOIA requests, a blanket cover not previously claimed by the Bush Administration.

[Stephanie]

64. A friend of mine put in a request for just those logs

He wanted to know if a Gannon visit preceded the pretzel incident.