Ok..what if * just keeps doing what he is doing, regardless?

[solara]

I have a feeling that Little Boots is going to just go ahead and escalate the invasion and then demand money for the new troops so that if the Democratic Congress says no, the Iraq debacle will be on their heads. I think he is going to continue to do whatever he damn well pleases and very soon, he will not even bother to pretend otherwise.

What if he ignores Congress, the subpoenas, the investigations? He has already demonstrated that rules can't touch him..he just issues signing statements. He has been testing the waters and each time he rips away a bigger piece of the Constitution he just continues on his way unchallenged. Why should he worry? He has been maneuvering into this position since 2000 and up until now has met with very little resistance. He has the miitary and the media. He believes he is above the law.

What is Congress going to do? What can they do? They can investigate him but he will ignore their questions and demands. They can impeach him but he will smirk and go on about his agenda... what are they going to do? Arrest him? Who the hell is going to enforce anything in regards to this tyrant wannabe ?

He is out of control. He has already replaced the military leaders with officers who will dutifully gather the last of our troops and send them on their way, and if they don't, they will be fired as well. It is obvious that Bush isn't going to listen to anyone who does not echo his insanity. It is foolish to believe that he will do anything other than "stay the course".

Already some of the newly elected freshman are bending over - "Charles Gibson spoke with three new House Democrats today ( incoming Democrats Heath Shuler of North Carolina, Nancy Boyda of Kansas and Patrick Murphy of Pennsylvania), who said that while they're not satisfied with the president's handling of Iraq they are inclined to go along with it." INCLINED TO GO ALONG WITH IT. Read about it here.

"Washington's Freshman Talk Iraq Policy with Charles Gibson"

http://www.abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=2771933&page=1

I agree that this is definitely a Constitutional Crisis, and it has been for a long time now. Who is resigning and who is changing positions and why? The ape-boy is stratigerizing his decidering..no doubt with help from the real Axis of Evil within his own cabinet.

Convince me it's not too late......please.

[Warren DeMontague]

1. At this point, I'd be freaked out if that WASN'T what he did.

It'd be kind of like watching Count Dracula all of a sudden start hang-gliding.

[solara]

2. Heh. That's a pretty funny image.

I guess it's better to laugh than to wring one's hands in despair.

:banghead:

[orpupilofnature57]

3. First of all, thats an insult to Caligula ,Second Impeachment

would slow this shit down,so the next time I hear Pelosi ,Reid or Conyers say "Not on the Table" I'm going to write to them and explain why if they don't, someone will kick the legs out from under it.Shrubs stealing the 2000 was the first example of Megalomania bush league style.

[solara]

4. Exactly. But what if he ignores impeachment or indictment.. they are already

ignoring requests for documents.. they hide behind Executive Privilege, or National Security. What happens if they just ignore Congress? Sure, thats contempt of congress...another crime..but it is just one among far too many. I want to know if there is anything that can be done, realistically, if the worse should happen.

(apologies to Caligula)

[orpupilofnature57]

6. Good question !

[lapfog_1]

5. He already has enough money for at least 6 to 9 months.

Which it would be very hard to take away from him... even if all the Dems and some repukes hang tough and vote to rescind.

New funding (supplemental '07 funding) is a different story.

[Comadreja]

7. Supply funding through tax cut rollbacks only

Rolling back the tax cuts on the rich to pay for the Chimperor's Folly would not be defunding, and would put the pressure back on the GOP to pony up or shut up. An extra "War profiteer" tax on Carlyle and Halliburton et al ought to further curb the Chickenhawks appetite for SURGE™.

[solara]

8. Makes sense to me. I hope they do something like that

So far I think their tactics have been extremely smart. I hope they will continue to be more than a worthy adversary for the Bush Cabal.

[frogcycle]

13. Excellent point

I agree with the original post - he WILL just keep on doing it "his way" and the constitution never envisioned this impasse. Removal from office is the only remedy offered, and remember - originally the VP was to have been from the other party, not a collaborator. When we started running the two as a "ticket" we should have revisited the checks and balances! So we have to impeach as a "ticket" to actually accomplish anything through that process.


I don't think that will happen, so we're in for a horrible two years. He'll be like a cornered rat, getting more and more outrageous. Every challenge to his uber-authority will be answered with an expansion thereof.

We are facing a constitutional crisis. We can't go through those two years just saying "our hands are tied".


And make no mistake about it - chimpy is a pawn. Oh, a good one - although somewhat out of control now - but a pawn, nevertheless of Ike's militaryindustrial complex - the MACHINE. Removing the current pair of puppets is in many respects just whack-a-mole.

What congress CAN do is attack the complex, big time. They can roll back the tax cuts, but more importantly, they can attack the whole corrupt contracting business, put executives of Halliburton, Blackwater, and other elements of the hydra under a microscope, find a way to get them prosecuted. It might be tough getting the justice department to act, so maybe they need to find a way to get sympathetic state courts to tackle them.

Turn off the money machine feeding those bastards and then see how long chimpy wants to "stay the course".

What we're dealing with is just the latest episode in a decades-long systematic destruction of the foundation of our form of government, with a carefully-managed process of misdirection to hide the real villains from view. Congress can go after the real villains. The ethics fight is probably the most important one. We need to shut down the lobbying machine. That will mean radical changes in Washington - most of the work of writing laws has been turned over to the K Street machine. We probably need a dramatic new paradigm - congress needs to employ vast numbers of law school grads, like the Supreme Court does as clerks (engineering school, business school, others as well) to do the research and draft the laws the PEOPLE need, rather than the laws that BUSINESS wants. Oh sure, business can still campaign for what they want. They send their written requests to some clearinghouse where they get evaluated, researched, potentially turned into law. The hearings would be the ONLY time the "special interests" had facetime with the lawmakers. And cameras would be rolling. This calls for gutting the mess that is there, in many respects de-glamorizing the role of congresscritters. They'd be elected to preside over their state's r&d organization and represent it in evaluating business proposals. Laws would be evaluated on their merits to the country as a whole, not to the special interests who stand to get rich from them.

The ONLY way to fix this mess is a "chinese wall" insulating the lawmakers from the money.

I don't know HOW to deal with the outrageous cost of campaigning. That's the monkey wrench.

[murray hill farm]

9. he may need....

super sized new bullet proof vests...or maybe he can be sealed in an actual bullet proof bubble....and no, I am not advocating for assassination, but leaders in all of history have been assissinated when they become so dictatorial that they are hated and feared by their fellow countrymen and women...and when it is seen as the only way to stop their maddness.

[WinkyDink]

10. Our home-grown assassinations are the exact opposite.

[murray hill farm]

11. So far,

that is true....but home is not what it used to be.

[nancyr]

12. A good question.

I feel he will continue on his merry way....and if he can't have his way, he'll blow us all to kingdom come. Who's going to stop him???