How are thoughts created?

[kentuck]

Are thoughts a form of energy? And do not thoughts create words? And do not words create actions? And do not actions create deeds from the birth of the thought, good or bad? How much energy is in a thought? Is there enough energy to move a mountain? Is there enough energy to move a nation? It depends on the thought...

Think peace.

[dweller]

1. reverb

feedback.

quite a loop.
dp

[The Traveler]

2. Not quite, my bud

Energy ia just energy. Thought involves the formation of information, which implies the imposition of an order (signal) on energy.

Without information, energy is just noise. Structure is the thing.

[kentuck]

5. Perception creates thoughts.

You see these words and you create a thought to respond. Thoughts are very powerful. If I say "1984", your thoughts will unleash stored energy. Words can be powerful.

[The Traveler]

10. Models of cognition

Perception is where it is at, or so we thought back then. Haven't studied the field in quite a while. The math is overwhelming. Weird, tho, how the equations of thermodynamics and QM pop out rather early on in the development. Matter, mind ... it gets all mixed up after a while, until Wheeler scratches his head and suggests that without the observer, the photon could not exist, but we ignore him so he vanishes behind Einsten's ghost. And in the book of Matthew, Jesus tells us that our thoughts (what we do in our secret place) directly affects what we experience ... and that our miracles would exceed his own. Buddha smiles in sweet repose and Rumi dances in drunken ecstasy without the benefit of alcohol, all murmuring the same secret I haven't figured out. But as for Trav, I'm just trying to figure our what the hell is the next right thing to do.

**On edit ... and Trav wishes he learned to touch type ... ***

[lvx35]

13. Its all about the entropy, man.

I was thinking that when you talked about information being in the energy, Shannon entropy, (information entropy) in the process. That's what its all about right there, how much information is contained within a given thought? That's the question to answer. If you know that you know a great deal, though we know even a simple thought at the right time can release vast potential energy in millions of minds as it propagates across the world.

[The Traveler]

17. Entropy is the noise

without which signal is meaningless.

Is thought a result of the organization of matter? Is my consciousness nothing more than the accidental result of a randomly derived chemical soup? Or is the soup itself a product of thought? Or can one exist without the other? Is "reality" a concrete foundation to experience, or is experience itself the cause of "reality". Or is the relationship between the two so intimate that they cannot be untwined? Can we ever be so clever as to resolve the matter?

Me, I only got the questions.

[lvx35]

33. I guess we just come up with our own answers.

For me, Reality is, conciousness and love our my most primal experiences of it, "thought" is more distant from Reality and after that, come things thought about: ideas like "material reality". These are most distant at all, owing thought for there very existence, and thought owing consciousness for its very existence.

But that's just my little way of dealing with it all. :)

[Duer 157099]

3. nice sentiment. and, not to nitpick, but

some thoughts don't even need words in order to create an action. Moving your arm, for example, is a direct conversion of a thought into an action.

Whoever said "mind over matter" is impossible, doesn't understand mind or matter.

[frogcycle]

4. it doesn't matter

but I don't mind

[The Traveler]

6. Prove that

Mind has no meaning, except what our thoughts give it. Matter ... same way. Both are concepts. You presume that concept can be seperate from the conceiver. Prove that. Further, you assume the concept is completely and correctly formulated. Prove that. Or buy me a beer.

[Duer 157099]

18. I don't know what you're talking about, but

I'd be happy to buy you a beer! :)

[The Traveler]

26. Yer on, mate

And of course, then it begins. The inevitable cycle. You buy me one so I have to buy you one so you buy me one then I and eventually enough brain cells put to sleep and we think we understand what I was trying to say.



Epistimologically, all we have are the processes of our own minds. We have no direct experience of the "outside world" ... everything we see, feel, touch is filtered through our perceptions and perception is nothing but a cognitive process itself. So, really, all we have is mind. That being the case, we're poorly positioned to divine the nature of "reality", a term which becomes quite slippery when examined closely. Philosophers have wrestled vainly with this problem for a long time.

So let's just enjoy the puzzle and have another beer ...

:toast:

[MannyGoldstein]

7. Sorry - I'm Doing Beer Tonight, Not Acid

But I did minor in neurobiology, so this is of some interest...

[kentuck]

8. Sorry...

I have always believed that if we could get enough people to think the same thought at the same time, there would be enough energy to change the world. But I'm a hopeless idealist...some people might say insane... :)

[Skip Intro]

9. Focused thoughts create reality.

You are what you think.

[Jcrowley]

11. Culture

society

an array

of interactions

and unpredictable neuronal activity

conditioning (if you haven't thrown TV away by the 21st century you are here)

and of course

circumstances


All of this leads to the myth of

the "creation" of Thoughts

as perpetuated by

The Cult of Individuality

[Az]

12. Thoughts are the result

Of the brain in action. As we grow and learn we experience things. These events are stored in our minds via an emotional relevance. The strength of the emotion relating to the import the mind considers the event with. Repetition of ideas also generates an increase in the emotional relevance of an idea.

When we come to decide on a cource of action the mind polls its memories and feelings regarding the issue. Depending on how much we have experienced concering the issue at hand we may have a well developed sense of the matter. There may exist a group of ideas or experiences with strong emotional relevance that informs our feelings about the issue. In this way we can react quickly to new events by relating to old events.

But when we do not have a prepoderance of experience on a subject or when there are conflicting positions concerning the matter the brain finds itself unable to quickly decide. Doubt and confusion set it. Stress follows demanding a resolution to the balance.

It is then that the brain turns to other tools to upend the indescision in the mind. Reason and rational thought are two of the more well known tools the mind turns to.

It is interesting to note that as our experience grows we rely less and less on reason and more and more on irrational gut level thinking. Evolutionarily speaking it is quicker and more effecient. And such systems of rapid response are built on a time tested methodolgy of effectiveness. But that does not mean that the results are correct.

The problem with well established emotional positions is that they can be difficult if not impossible to overcome with reason. A lifetime of internal reinforcement can result in a great deal of emotional certainty on subjects. Thus even when faced with overwhelming reasoned evidence some can simply rebuff the claims because they do not overcome their confidence in their personal views.

[jgraz]

14. From the Thought Fairy

[rpgamerd00d]

15. You see, there is this series of tubes.....

:rofl:

[SoCalDem]

16. the pornal lobe will clog those tubes, so be careful :)

[OxQQme]

19. When you open your eyes from sleep

you have the choice, at that instant, whether to be grumpy or smiley for the rest of the day.
This act surely qualifies for creating one's reality.
When anger arises we have a choice to allow that, or recognize it's arising and allow it to pass.
Same with the other emotions. Choice. Free will. Reality creation in action.

[Warren DeMontague]

20. They aren't. They're tuned in, like a tv show.

Some of us just get better reception than others, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan.

[ellisonz]

21. Non-cognitivism all the way baby...

It is not that I do not believe in cognition, I just believe it is often insignificant given the indeterminate nature of reality. We don't know jack.

:dunce:

[xchrom]

22. isn't there a school of ''thought'' that believes like matter

''thoughts'' are fundamental to/in the universe?

[Buttercup McToots]

23. Seth says

"Your world is formed in faithful replica of your own thoughts...If you think positive suggestions to yourself about a situation you send telepathic ammunition for positive use. You must learn to erase a negative thought or picture by replacing it with its opposite."

"You form your own reality. But in forming that reality, you change other realities of which you do not know. The joy, the challenge, the responsibility, the creativity is yours. There is no other message that I can ever give you, or that you can give yourself. You are, each of you, All-That-Is experienced through your own individuality, and the transubstantiation of your flesh."

"You should tell yourself frequently 'I will only react to constructive suggestions.' This gives you positive ammunition against your own negative thoughts and those of others."

"A negative thought, if not erased, will almost certainly result in a negative condition. Say to yourself, 'That is in the past. Now in this new moment, this new present, I am already beginning to change for the better.'"

"It does not do to repress negative thoughts, such as fears, angers, or resentment. They should be recognized, faced and replaced. Recognize resentment when it is felt, and then realize that resentment can be dismissed. Initial recognition must be made. Then you must imagine removing the resentment 'by its roots' and replacing it with a positive feeling."

"Using your free will, you have made physical reality into something quite different than what was intended. You have allowed the ego to become overly developed and specialized. You were here to work out problems and challenges, but you were always to be aware of your own inner reality, and of your nonphysical existence. To a large extent you have lost contact with this. You have focused so strongly upon physical reality that it become the only reality that you know."

You make your own reality, or you do not. And if you do not, then you are everywhere a victim, and the universe must be an accidental mechanism appearing with no reason. So that the miraculous picture you have seen of your body came accidentally into creation, and out of some cosmic accident attained its miraculous complexity. And that body was formed so beautifully for no reason except to be a victim. That is the only other alternative to forming your own reality. You cannot have a universe in between. You have a universe formed WITH a reason, or a universe formed WITHOUT a reason. And in a universe of reason, there are no victims. Everything has a reason or nothing has a reason. So, choose your side!"

[Gin]

24. I love Seth...The Nature of Personal Reality was my bible for a long

time. Thoughts are things!

[H2O Man]

25. "What you think,

you become." -- Gandhi

[Buttercup McToots]

27. Aye

;-)
The secret that, it seems, many
dunnae know...

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

28. I'll have to give that some thought

:evilgrin:

[OxQQme]

29. Oh YES...Jane Roberts

"The Unknown Reality", volumes 1 &2


Also, (flame suits up) the words spoken by the godperson of Neale Walch's
"Conversations with God" series.
Personally, I have a different feeling about a creator figure but the words
strung together in such a manner (channeling ala, Seth) say words of wisdom
of how to relate to one's surroundings.

[NoodleyAppendage]

30. Emergent properties from neural tissue. Perpetuation of information within the species.

Thoughts are not divorced from the neural substrate upon which they depend. However, a thought is information, which can be conveyed to another after which the information may live on in perpetuity. Thoughts are the information analog to genetic transfer (i.e., memes).

J

[htuttle]

31. Thoughts are an emergent behavior of a cluster of connected neurons

Which is a fancy way of saying, "Then, a miracle occurs..."

When you zoom in very close to the brain, you'd see a dense web of multiply connected neurons spending their time saying things to each other like, "Hi, are you there?" and "Hello, I'm here." But when you zoom out, the apparently banal neural "conversations" become the patterns that are our thoughts.

Computer science is getting close to modeling some of this sort of behavior in neural nets, which are also built upon very simple principles and can (sometimes) exhibit the same sort of emergent behavior, albeit on a much simpler scale.

When you combine this elementary experience storing ability with our evolutionarily derived senses and socially transmitted behavior patterns, you get 'people'.

[LWolf]

32. Everything is a form of energy.

"Being the change" begins within, with thoughts. The foundation of inner perspective is laid before we see it transfer into action.

Cause and effect. What you focus on is what you create.