I lived in San Fran throughout the 80's and I really don't see what the fuss is about?

[trumad]

I gotta say, albeit a great and beautiful city, the people were as mainstream and normal as any other city I've lived in--- Miami, Dallas, Kansas City, Orlando.

Hell, I contend the values of San Franciscans are just as solid as any of those cities.

People in that city work hard and enjoy life. They're highly educated and all in all are good people.

[Cleita]

1. And mostly they are liberal something I miss a lot after moving

away from very liberal Santa Monica back then.

[MoseyWalker]

2. I agree

SF is a beautiful city, with beautiful, intelligent, caring people. Of course, there is a down side, but that's life anywhere.

Liberal means thoughtful, caring, understanding, and generally - intelligent.

Who wouldn't want to live in a beautiful city populated by people such as this?

[ncrainbowgrrl]

3. *gasp* Oh no... not the san francisco values... NO! Not Tolerance!! *choke*

I think we could use a LOT more of those values, personally.

[Der Blaue Engel]

4. San Francisco Values is a code word

For "them queers."

[QC]

11. Exactly.

It's a sly way to say "fag."

[Viva_La_Revolution]

15. ding ding ding!

winner.

:hi:

[illinoisprogressive]

5. It is just a city but, is being smeared because

of it's large openly gay population. Like other cities dont' have gay communities. they claim it is too liberal due to that.
San Francisco is not different from any other city. It's beautiful and cosmopolitan but, no more lib than any other one.

[RB TexLa]

6. I live in Dallas and Louisiana and I found SF to be as mainstream

as well. Racial and ethic demographics are a bit different between the three but no real difference between the people.

[Sparkly]

7. Haight-Ashbury in the 60s, I believe, plus gays.

Two things that make rightwingers quake in their fake cowboy boots and hide under their sofas.

[Robbien]

8. Oh bull. The catch phrase has nothing to do with San Francisco

They were just searching around for another way to smear the word liberal. The smear campaign is just another limbaugh/oreilly swiftboat attempt.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

9. Of course, but the Rs haven't matured past junior high mentality...

and thrive on having an enemy -- someone/thing to bash. NYC during the R convention; New England during the 2004 cycle; San Fran now. I'd like to see Madame Speaker/San Fran respond in an Ellison/Jefferson's Koran fashion - a classy FU. Not sure how they'd do it, but the Jefferson Koran move was a thing of beauty. It's just as well they're "afraid" of San Fran (boo!) - makes it more enjoyable for when I visit. Keep the crazy wingnuts OUT!

[MoseyWalker]

13. I agree and wish

the greedy rw "nuts" (I'm thinking harsher words right now by the dozen) had stayed the hell out of Seattle.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

18. Never been, but I know I'd love it.

I spent my holidays in Pennsyltucky and parts of rural NY - Dubya-land. Gawd, was it depressing in how it showed the divide in this country. The topography was gorgeous (mountains, lakes, farmland, etc.), but I've never seen so many rundown homes, trashy yards, rusted-out cars, and American flags painted on barns. I honestly think they all live in fear that OBL is gonna come out of the woods and get them. Funny how the "blue" areas in this country are almost always the ones rated best to live. I was thankful every time I pulled into a town like State College, Ithaca, or historic Frederick!

[mitchtv]

10. Clean air

I love SF. I still consider it my home and root for the Giants , Niners. I left it years ago
What beautiful views!. Fine food.

[seabeyond]

12. i know i had been living in texas way too long. flew into sf airport

and felt at home. grew up in calif moved around and settled in texas (not by choice). the moment i stepped out of airport i felt so good to be back. for four days i was in peace and a little bet of heaven. i dont have any issue what so ever with sf values

[Me.]

14. Them SFers Are As Bad As Dem There Liberals

Better run and hide, they're gonna get you! Oh, and when you're in trouble aren't the liberals and progressives the ones you turn to?

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

16. I always found...

That cracked Dungeness Crab and Vietnamese food to be the real SF values. ;-)

(stomach grumbling, exit stage left)

[Warren Stupidity]

17. What fuss?

Oh wait, have you been watching fauxnewz again? MSRNC? What? Just stop. Get a wii or something. Read the news here.

[Blue_In_AK]

19. I LOVE San Francisco.

I lived there from 1969 (yes, actually on Haight Street, at the corner with Broderick) until 1975, and wouldn't trade a day of it. Some of the best days of my life. :hippie:

[TahitiNut]

20. San Francisco is a bigot's worst nightmare.

It's a place where people don't 'tolerate' diversity - they revel in it. It's a place where blacks whites, asians, hispanics, gays, straights, old, young, protestants, catholics, jews, muslims, buddhists, atheists, agnostics, taoists, rich, poor, males and females work together, live sid by side, marry, divorce, play and live and let live. It's a city that people from all over the world like to visit. It's everything from garlic to wine and artichokes to almonds. It's the Golden Gate Bridge and Mount Diablo (gasp!). It's industry and inventiveness and entrepreneurialism. It's hiking and boating and swimming and diving and soccer and hockey and TWO NFL football teams and TWO MLB baseball teams and several of the finest universities and colleges in the country if not the world. It's one of the very few areas in the nation where there is no trade deficit, where the minimum wage is the highest and where people are active in their own governance.

Like I said ... a bigot's nightmare. But a dream for me and many alive liberals like me.

[caligirl]

21. Well thats a great description, it also why so many students want

to come to this area for college, and why so many locals stay in state for college.

[muntrv]

22. Highly educated. That's a right winger's nightmare, since they can't

brainwash educated people.

[DBoon]

23. Well I never lived in San Francisco

and if the rest of the country was as elegant, tolerant and compassionate as SF, I would be very pleased.

[jumpoffdaplanet]

24. I've also lived in SF

And if I had to live in a city again, I'd be happy to live there.

It is great. More like lots of little villages living side by side. Each area is unique.

America could do much better if it was more like SF.

[Orsino]

25. They go to work, they come home, they raise families...

...and sometimes they f-ck each other. Just like people in every other town.

[lies and propaganda]

26. best city in America

dont let Bush know though cause he'll try drowning it too.