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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 07:09 PM
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ARG! Oh Mighty DU, Help Me Slam This Wingnut RE: Katrina
This is on a music board....I know the Think Progress Katrina timechart but they are too stupid to even read it I think!

Basically I remarked that the cattle are getting food drops when the people of NOLA were not.

"She never told them to go in until way late. It's her fault, not the guard's fault. I think Blanco was overwhelmed and was too busy playing politics with people's distress. Yeah she tried to blame Bush but they just fired back "Look lady, we don't control the national guard in your state, YOU do." The US government is not allowed to deploy the national guard in the USA but can deploy it overseas. Each state controls their own guard units and are at the governor's whims."

Where to even begin with these IDIOTS?
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 07:12 PM
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1. Then why was Brownie doing a heck of a job?
If it wasn't the feds responsibility?
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 07:19 PM
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2. FEMA could have at least deployed the 500 buses it had on standby
"When Katrina hit, it took Bush days to direct a person to chair a task force to coordinate the relief efforts. It took days for the National Guard to appear on the scene. Despite FEMA having 500 buses on standby on the day of the storm, ready to be deployed, it took almost a week to get those buses to the Convention Center in New Orleans to begin evacuations there."

http://www.uruknet.info/?p=25886

Various links to sources embedded in the piece. And as an added bonus, it's guaranteed to piss off the wingnuts if you send it as is. :)
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azureblue Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 07:21 PM
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3. Here ya go
Sunday, August 28
GOV. BLANCO ASKS BUSH TO DECLARE FEDERAL STATE OF EMERGENCY IN LOUISIANA:
“I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster.”
The Governor’s request for help on August 28, 2005 as can be seen by viewing her official request at:
http://gov.louisiana.gov/Disaster Relief Request.pdf



Sunday, August 28
BUSH, CHERTOFF WARNED WHAT KATRINA COULD DO:
WASHINGTON - In dramatic and sometimes agonizing terms, federal disaster officials warned
President Bush and his homeland security chief before Hurricane Katrina struck that the storm could breach levees, put lives at risk in New Orleans' Superdome and overwhelm rescuers, according to confidential video footage.
Bush didn't ask a single question during the final briefing before Katrina struck on Aug. 29, but he assured soon-to-be-battered state officials: "We are fully prepared."

Sunday, August 28
9:30 AM — MAYOR NAGIN ISSUES FIRST EVER MANDATORY EVACUATION OF NEW ORLEANS:
“We’re facing the storm most of us have feared,” said Nagin. “This is going to be an unprecedented event.”
“Special arrangements will be made to evacuate persons unable to evacuate themselves.”
This is referring to evacuating people to an emergency shelter within the city, not evacuating people to points outside the city. The Mayor did implement an emergency bussing system that evacuated the city's poor and disabled to the Superdome. This can be verified by reading the plan at http://www.cityofno.com/portal.aspx?portal=46&tabid=26



Thursday, September 1
8AM — BUSH CLAIMS NO ONE EXPECTED LEVEES TO BREAK2PM —

MAYOR NAGIN ISSUES “DESPERATE SOS” TO FEDERAL GOVERNMENT:
“This is a desperate SOS. Right now we are out of resources at the convention centre and don’t anticipate enough buses. We need buses. Currently the convention centre is unsanitary and unsafe and we’re running out of supplies.”


FEMA BLOCKS RELIEF
(1)FEMA won't accept Amtrak's help in evacuations http://news.ft.com/cms/s/84aa35cc-1da8-11da-b40b-00000e..
(2)FEMA turns away experienced firefighters http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/5/105538/7048
(3)FEMA turns back Wal-Mart supply trucks http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/national/nationalspec ..
(4)FEMA prevents Coast Guard from delivering diesel fuel http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/national/nationalspec ..
(5)FEMA won't let Red Cross deliver food
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm
(6)FEMA bars morticians from entering New Orleans http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15147862&BRD=...
(7)FEMA blocks 500-boat citizen flotilla from delivering aid http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/3/171718/0826
(8)FEMA fails to utilize Navy ship with 600-bed hospital on board http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0509..
(9)FEMA to Chicago: Send just one truck http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-050902dale..
(10)FEMA turns away generators http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWLBLOG.ac3fcea.html
(11)FEMA: "First Responders Urged Not To Respond" http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18470

Saturday, Dec. 3
Blanco defends actions in storm
From the Times Picayune:
“The Blanco administration released the mountain of documents to U.S. House and Senate committees investigating the response to Katrina on Friday evening, with the governor saying in a statement that they will show the hard work of her administration during its greatest crisis.
"These documents will demonstrate what I have said for several months -- that dedicated employees of the state of Louisiana worked tirelessly and effectively during this period to save many thousands of lives," Blanco said in the written statement.
To a large degree, the massive document dump was Exhibit A in Blanco's public relations defense of her performance during and after the storm. Since the days after the Aug. 29 hurricane, she has been portrayed as indecisive and bumbling in the face of the nation's worst natural disaster. But the documents, especially a 33-page timeline she constructed, take pains to show her as engaged and assertive as she tries to cope with false promises and intransigence from the federal government.

"I requested massive federal assistance in letters to President Bush on Aug. 27 and Aug. 28 -- before the storm's landfall," she said in one. "I spoke with President Bush on Sunday (Aug. 28) and Monday (Aug. 29) and told him I needed everything he had. I believed FEMA officials who told me that every federal resource was at my disposal. I believed this meant every single available resource."
Later on in the talking points document, she responds to a hypothetical question about what she did wrong in response to Katrina.
"I believe my biggest mistake was believing FEMA officials who told me that the necessary federal resources would be available in a timely fashion," she said.”

The Original can be viewed on line at:
http://www.nolarises.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=728
And at
http://www.nola.com/katrina/view.ssf

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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 08:38 PM
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7. Wow thanks! I bookmarked this thread just for your posts..
Very well researched and thorough. Thanks again.
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azureblue Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 07:30 PM
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4. And
GOV. BLANCO ASKS BUSH TO DECLARE FEDERAL STATE OF EMERGENCY IN LOUISIANA:
“I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster.”
The Governor’s request for help on August 28, 2005 as can be seen by viewing her official request at:
http://gov.louisiana.gov/Disaster Relief Request.pdf
and on the web:
http://www.gov.state.la.us/Press_Release_detail.asp?id=976


Tuesday, August 30
9AM – BUSH SPEAKS ON IRAQ AT NAVAL BASE CORONADO

MIDDAY – CHERTOFF FINALLY BECOMES AWARE THAT LEVEE HAS FAILED: “It was on Tuesday that the levee–may have been overnight Monday to Tuesday–that the levee started to break. And it was midday Tuesday that I became aware of the fact that there was no possibility of plugging the gap and that essentially the lake was going to start to drain into the city.”


PENTAGON CLAIMS THERE ARE ENOUGH NATIONAL GUARD TROOPS IN REGION:
“Pentagon spokesman Lawrence Di Rita said the states have adequate National Guard units to handle the hurricane needs.”


And the direct answer to your query:

Documents Highlight Bush-Blanco Standoff

By Spencer S. Hsu, Joby Warrick and Rob Stein
Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, December 5, 2005; A10

Shortly after noon on Aug. 31, Louisiana Sen. David Vitter (R) delivered a message that stunned aides to Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco (D), who were frantically managing the catastrophe that began two days earlier when Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast.

White House senior adviser Karl Rove wanted it conveyed that he understood that Blanco was requesting that President Bush federalize the evacuation of New Orleans. The governor should explore legal options to impose martial law "or as close as we can get," Vitter quoted Rove as saying, according to handwritten notes by Terry Ryder, Blanco's executive counsel.

Thus began what one aide called a "full-court press" to compel the first-term governor to yield control of her state National Guard -- a legal, political and personal campaign by White House staff that failed three days later when Blanco rejected the administration's terms, 10 minutes before Bush was to announce them in a Rose Garden news conference, the governor's aides said.

The standoff, illuminated among more than 100,000 pages of documents released Friday by Blanco in response to requests by Senate and House investigators, marks perhaps the clearest single conflict between U.S. and Louisiana officials in the bungled response to New Orleans's surrender to floodwaters and chaos.

While attention has focused on the performance of former Federal Emergency Management Agency director Michael D. Brown, and communications breakdowns that kept Washington from recognizing for 12 to 16 hours the scope of flooding that would drive the storm's death toll above 1,200, the clash over military control highlights government officials' lack of familiarity with the levers of emergency powers.

Blanco's top aides relied on ad hoc tutorials from the National Guard about who would be in charge and how to call in federal help. But in the inevitable confusion of fast-moving events, partisan differences and federal/state divisions prevented top leaders from cooperating.

A Blanco aide, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the people around Bush were trying to maneuver the governor into an unnecessary change intended to make Bush look decisive.

"It was an overwhelming natural disaster. The federal government has an agency that exists for purposes of coming to the rescue of localities in a natural disaster, and that organization did not live up to what it was designed for or promised to," the aide said. Referring to Bush aides, he said, "It was time to recover from the fiasco, and take a win wherever you could, legitimate or not."

Vitter, in an interview, disagreed but acknowledged the clash.

"In my opinion, they were hypersensitive. . . . They seemed to feel there was some power play, which I don't think there was," he said. "The fact that it was -- might that have fueled the governor's hypersensitivity? It may have, I don't know."

White House spokeswoman Christie Parell said: "The president has said that these reviews are critically important and that government at all levels could have done better. But our focus right now is on ensuring that victims of Katrina are getting what they need to get back on their feet."

In any event, the conflict delayed the arrival of active-duty troops in New Orleans, where reports of looting and violence prevented rescuers from retrieving stranded residents and evacuating hospitals and the Louisiana Superdome.

Blanco has said she asked Bush on Aug. 29, the day of Katrina's landfall, "for everything you've got," requesting 40,000 troops on Aug. 31. The president deployed 7,000 active-duty troops on Sept. 3. Thousands more National Guard troops were already on the ground.

But White House officials were concerned enough about what Brown and military leaders have testified to Congress was a lack of "unified command" to bring state Guard troops and active-duty federal troops under a single commander. They ultimately declined to force the issue over Blanco's objection and worked with existing command authorities.

But Blanco's reluctance stemmed from several factors. According to documents and aides, her team was not familiar with relevant laws and procedures, believed the change would have disrupted Guard law enforcement operations in New Orleans and mistrusted the Bush team, which they saw as preoccupied with its own public relations problems and blame shifting.

Within 30 minutes of receiving Rove's message on Aug. 31, Ryder and Blanco Chief of Staff Andrew Kopplin were briefed by Col. Jeff Smith, a senior state emergency preparedness official, advising them of the National Response Plan and Incident Command System, basic components of the Department of Homeland Security's playbook that lay out the chain of emergency authority.

By 2:20 p.m., Blanco called Bush, saying she needed additional resources but not federalization, according to Ryder's notes. Instead, she said an emerging federal/state partnership was jelling and asked Bush instead to commit to an arrival date for troops.

"We don't know necessarily what 'unified' command, or what do these words mean," the Blanco aide said. "The governor thinks that by that time, the command structure that is coming together will work."

The next day, on a Bush visit, administration officials ganged up on Blanco out of the presence of staff members and tried to bully her into changing her mind, they said. Blanco requested 24 hours.

Ryder's notes report that on the night of Sept. 1, Army Lt. Gen. H. Steven Blum, chief of the National Guard Bureau, advised Blanco, as an aide put it, "You don't want to do that. You lose control, and you don't get one more boot on the ground."

Later, Blum told Ryder he came "under political duress" for his opinion and used military slang to describe an out-of-control situation, according to Ryder's notes.

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twilight_sailing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 08:18 PM
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5. Welcome to DU, azureblue
You rock!
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twilight_sailing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 08:28 PM
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6. Pardon me,
I just hadn't seen your name around here much and I presumed you were new. My mistake.

But you still rock!
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 09:37 PM
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8. The WH would not take her calls in some instances.
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 09:46 PM
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9. Oh come on!
The man had fundraisers with his Have-Mores to attend, brush to cut, photo ops to stage! It's hard work bein' president! Cut the guy some slack!

:sarcasm:
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 10:18 PM
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11. The whole Katrina thing is so sad. Especially the *WH reaction to it.
Yes..he was busy doing all those things when he should have been on the horn all day that first week...from 5AM to 1AM EVERY DAY and even skip his 9PM beddybye time. :grr:
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 09:54 PM
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10. Bush never declared a state of emergeny for Oleans or 9th Ward Parish
The ones worst hit by the hurricane and subsequent flood. It's on the White House website, you can Google it.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-06-07 03:33 AM
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12. THANK YOU THANK YOU DU-ERS! I SHUT UP THE 'MORAN!'
Wow you guys amaze me with the lightning fast links!! THANKS A MIL! He's still good & shut up all these hours later...I know he's a complete "moran" and without hope but it annoys me how they spread misinfo CONSTANTLY....I really try to shut that shit down whenever it comes by me.

I LOVE DU!! THANKS AGAIN GUYS!
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