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a kennedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 08:32 AM
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I just received this e-mail........it's about Jane Fonda (Hanoi Jane)
Subject: Fwd: A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED



IF YOU NEVER FORWARDED ANYTHING IN YOUR LIFE FORWARD THIS SO THAT
EVERYONE WILL KNOW!!!!!!.......

A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA

This is for all the kids born in the 70s who do not remember, and didn't
have to bear the burden that our fathers, mothers and older

brothers and sisters had to bear.

Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the "100 Women of the Century."

BY BARBRA WALTERS

Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never
known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country, but
specific men
who served and sacrificed during Vietnam .

The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry
Driscoll, a River Rat.

In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho

Lo Prison the " Hanoi Hilton."

Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in
clean PJ's, he was
ordered to describe for a visiting American "Peace Activist" the "lenient
and
humane
treatment" he'd received.

He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was dragged away. During the
subsequent beating, he fell forward on to the camp Commandant's feet,
which sent that
officer berserk.

In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from
double vision (which permanently ended his
flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied
application of a wooden baton.

>From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the
47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the
"Hanoi Hilton",,, the first three of which his
family only knew he was "missing in action".
His wife lived on faith that he was still alive.
His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and
clothed routine in preparation for a
"peace delegation" visit.
They, however, had time and devised a plan to
get word to the world that they were alive
and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny
piece of paper, with his Social Security Number
on it, in the palm of his hand.

When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a
cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each
man's hand and asking little encouraging
snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed
babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane
treatment from your benevolent captors?"
Believing this HAD to be an act, they each
palmed her their sliver of paper.
She took them all without missing a beat. At the
end of the line and once the camera stopped
rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs,
she turned to the officer in charge and handed
him all the little pieces of paper.

Three men died from the subsequent beatings.
Colonel Carrigan was almost number four
but he survived, which is the only reason we
know of her actions that day.

I was a civilian economic development advisor
in Vietnam , and was captured by the North
Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in
1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.

I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one
year in a cage in Cambodia ; and one year
in a "black box" in Hanoi .
My North Vietnamese captors deliberately
poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a
nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South
Vietnam , whom I buried in the jungle near the
Cambodian border.
At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs.
(My normal weight is 170 lbs.)

We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."




When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi , I was asked by
the camp communist political officer if I would
be willing to meet with her.

I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real
treatment we POWs received... and how
different it was from the treatment purported by
the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as
"humane and lenient."

Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky
floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched
with a large steel weights placed on my hands,
and beaten with a bamboo cane.

I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda
soon after I was released. I asked her
if she would be willing to debate me on TV.
She never did answer me.

These first-hand experiences do not exemplify
someone who should be honored as part
of "100 Years of Great Women."
Lest we forget..." 100 Years of Great Women"
should never include a traitor whose hands are
covered with the blood of so many patriots.

There are few things I have strong visceral
reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in
blatant treason, is one of them.
Please take the time to forward to as many
people as you possibly can.
It will eventually end up on her computer and
she needs to know that we will never forget.
RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt, USAF
716 Maintenance Squadron, Chief of
Maintenance
DSN: 875-6431
COMM: 883-6343

PLEASE HELP BY SENDING THIS TO
EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK. IF
ENOUGH PEOPLE SEE THIS MAYBE HER
STATUS WILL CHANGE




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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 08:34 AM
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1. No matter how many times it's debunked
This stuff still keeps coming up...

Just like the one about how Clinton was offered Osama bin Laden on a platter by the Sudan, but was turned down...

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flying_wahini Donating Member (856 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 08:36 AM
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2. how much of this is true?
just asking
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 08:38 AM
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4. check meegbear's links below
I think even the guy involved denied it.
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 08:37 AM
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3. Here yah go ...
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a kennedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 08:41 AM
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6. Thanks meegbear,
sorry for posting initial thread. :blush: :patriot:
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 08:40 AM
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5. And you are posting this rightwing hate mail here because?
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a kennedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 08:43 AM
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8. ah, because I thought here at DU I'd get the truth, and as usual
I did. :patriot:
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 09:58 AM
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14. Thanks, a kennedy. Living in the South, I get a fair number of
Edited on Fri Jan-05-07 10:02 AM by Benhurst
such emails from friends, usually asking if what is said in them is true. I like being alerted when another is making the rounds (or making them again) and bookmark threads such as this so as not to have to waste time looking up an answer in reply.

Also, after garbage such as this circulates, it often comes up in conversation.

It's good to be prepared with an answer. Forewarned is forearmed.

And I don't think we need to worry about any legitimate poster on DU being swayed by such tripe.
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Coyote_Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 08:42 AM
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7. Fundie acquaintance
used to send me all the Jane Fonda propaganda. Facts were irrelevant and did nothing to stop the unwelcome trash. But it did stop after I pointed out that Fonda was a Christian attending seminary and I asked why Jane Fonda could not be forgiven.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 08:50 AM
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9. Why don't we get Liberal email to counter this stuff?
The Republican extremists have been doing this email thing for quite a while. They seem to come out of nowhere and have no valid source. Where did this rant come from originally? I don't think the sender of this particular email had the capacity to author it. My point is, these emails stir up alot of people and I can see how they would encourage the nutjobs out there. Maybe we should start doing this, too.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 11:37 AM
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19. cuz liberals aren't stupid and vindictive, like the Pukkkes. HUGE disadvantage
Edited on Fri Jan-05-07 11:42 AM by librechik
seriously
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 12:34 PM
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24. Because Karl Rove is a Repub
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 09:09 AM
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10. fortunately, fonda'd very rich...
too bad her and ted and some other 'left' types couldn't see this bs and use it against the pig, but NOOOOO! they enjoy their goofball cash in scented elegant hideaways, served by teenagers in silver thongs: what the fukk do they care about 'out there'? when ted sold cable news network to the lying liars, he said getting paid $87 BILLION was 'better then sex' or some damn thing; fonda's share was 10 percent, $87 million, and cnn has been a bush sukker/promoter ever since. fonda sorta keeps her head down now, not wanting to get the freeper/haters excited by being a nice target - the fight's gone outta her, as it went outta too goddam many upper class twits who are SUPPOSEDLY on our side but, despite the fact we outnumber the pigs, and are tougher, smarter and more serious then the pigs can be (for example, we point up the DSM, or bush's chickenhawk record: the pigs resort to swiftboating and this jane fonda nonsense, hoping 1 outta a hundred dupes who receive the emails might believe them)
it's too bad fonda and turner are rich: they might fight back if they weren't....
(after the revolution ALL upper class twits should be relieved of anything other then base incomes, to ensure they don't become soft little devils and lose their souls selling out to right/might etc iow in their own interests!)
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 09:36 AM
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11. Offer one correction: 10% of $87 BILLION is $8.7 billion, not $87 million.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 09:47 AM
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12. billion, million; what's the diff?
lol...
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 10:40 AM
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17. Well, I think of her, after the "Hanoi Jane" treatment, as kind of like Jackie
Kennedy after seeing her husband's brains blown out. She needed protection. And both chose very rich men as their protectors. It is understandable. Most of us don't know what it's like to be such high visibility targets, never knowing a moment of rest for yourself or your kids. Jane wrote a very fine autobiography recently, and took it on a book tour. Very interesting book--about her early life (daughter of a very cold father--but an American ikon, Henry Fonda), her "Barbarella" years, her marriages (she's no longer married to Ted Turner), and her trip to Hanoi. She went alone, a very young woman, with the purpose of exposing US bombing of civilian targets, nobody with her, not even a PR person--and she basically got "swift-boated." About five years before that happened, I remember being in three-inch high spike heels, wearing nylons with a seam down the back that you had to keep straight, a girdle, a bra, white gloves and fashionable clothes, with a bouffant hairdo and lots of makeup. I was as ikon to American womanhood. We forget how suddenly that changed, almost overnight. I'd say, between 1963 and 1964. The changes of that era were mind-bogging and vastly disorienting. One day, you were one person. The next day, you didn't recognize who you were yesterday. So, I imagine that some of the "Hanoi Jane" mythology comes from men's feeling of trauma at a woman like Jane Fonda--"Barbarella"--sympathizing with the slaughtered millions of Vietnam, and actually having the balls to visit Hanoi on a peace mission. It stung the macho guys--and still does--as much as their loss of that war stings them, the mighty US military machine defeated by little brown people in straw hats and sandals.

Peace to you, Jane--and to your detractors! May we all know peace some day. And may we all realize, in our hearts, some day soon, that neither the Vietnamese nor the Iraqis ever needed to be our "enemies." Our foreign policy is highly manipulated by hugely powerful war profiteers. It was then. It is now. I admire the physical courage of soldiers, and I'm sure I would be very grateful for their presence and their protection, if I ever felt threatened. I also admire moral courage, such as Jane Fonda showed--the courage of her convictions, and her ability to see the Vietnamese as human beings, at a time when our government wanted us to see them as "gooks"--as just a lot of brown riffraff that deserved to be exterminated--and to put her body on the line for peace. Pretzel4Gore, you dis her for having money. Yet, despite her privileged upbringing (as to money, not as to love), her fame, her career, her image as a "sex goddess," this woman took a stance that turned out to be a very difficult and perilous one. That is deserving of admiration, it seems to me. And every time she tries to recover her career, or benefit in any way from her fame, the witchburners come out again, ready to burn her at the stake. I do not think it fair to clump her together with "other 'left' types," enjoying their "goofball cash in scented elegant hideaways, etc." It is dehumanizing. And you cannot look at her face now and not see that she has suffered a lot, and you can't read her story and not realize how hard she has tried to overcome her upbringing and to become a politically aware citizen and a better human being. Also, it's too easy to second-guess someone in her position--a constant target of hatred--and to prescribe what she should do. I actually share your impatience with "latte liberals" and I've often wondered at Turner and the CNN sale. But I don't envy Jane Fonda her money, or anything else. She tried harder than anyone else on earth to stop that war. She took more risks than any other antiwar activist. She was a bulwark to many soldiers traumatized by the war. She didn't have to do all that. She was a well-known actress with a plush career ahead of her, which she sacrificed to stop the war. She was a great inspiration to me, as a young woman. And that's all I need to know.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 06:48 PM
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25. tremendous moral courage....yes
Fonda did do as much as any individual to confront the big tough guys with their (publicly funded) weaponry and the military industrial complex that hid behind them -you're right. But we're losing. I DO NOT COMPREHEND HOW! We are losing the battle, versus the ignorant bullyboy (who are publicly funded) killing helpless innocents. And ted turner, Jane Fonda, George soros, steve spielberg and so on, even barb striesland, for some reason, do not see the VAST LEFTWING out here as a resource to fight the good fight. Maybe Jane is tired and just wants to be left alone, fine. But Say that and then say 'it's you young guys' turn, ok'
FOr example, the Howard Dean Scream. WHy didn't someone with liberal $$$ use the rightwing efforts to use the Howard Dean Scream against the rightwing by, offering say, 1 million$ for any LIBERAL who could outscream Howard? WHY NOT? I'm nobody, yet istantly i thought why didn't someone do it, maybe do a tv show, but no one did. So we LOST. AND WE ALWAYS LOSE! Jane Fonda isn't up front, but surely her fame fortune could count for something. SOMEONE SPIT IN HER FACE! And She never even had the guy kneecapped....or at least had his name publicised so at least I COULD VIST HIM!...but NOOOO!
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Sweet Freedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 09:55 AM
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13. Please
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 10:07 AM
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15. Whatever you think about Jane Fonda
The fact that the RW is still whining about here more than thirty years later demonstrates she really is one of the 100 women of the century.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 10:12 AM
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16. Oh, who the hell cares anymore? At least she WENT there!
Edited on Fri Jan-05-07 10:12 AM by WinkyDink
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 11:33 AM
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18. I'm FONDA Hanoi Jane!
She definitely is one of the greatest 100 women of the century.
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 11:44 AM
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20. Here's a song for you.


Artist: Neil Young
Album: Everybody's Rockin'
Title: Kinda Fonda Wanda


Well, i went with mary lou
Tried peggy sue
Had a date with donna
And barbara ann too
But i'm kinda fonda wanda.
Kinda fonda wanda.
Yeah, i'm kinda fonda wanda.
'cause wanda always wanna, wanna, wanna.

Well, i went out with jenny
Took out skinny minnie
Long tall sally
And short fat fanny.
But i'm kinda fonda wanda.
Kinda fonda wanda.
Yeah, i'm kinda fonda wanda.
'cause wanda always wanna, wanna, wanna.

Did the bop with miss ann
The swim with mary ann,
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moc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 11:48 AM
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21. Can someone explain to me the irrational hatred of Jane Fonda?
Edited on Fri Jan-05-07 11:49 AM by moc
I know a little of the source, but the magnitude makes NO SENSE to me.

To whit. There is a car that is parked in my parking garage at work with a bumper sticker that says "Vietnam Vets will forgive Jane Fonda when the Jews forgive Hitler"

:wtf:

You're equating anything Jane Fonda did with Hitler's atrocities? Again, :wtf:

And get this, I'm a faculty member at a major university, and this bumper sticker is on another faculty car (don't know whose). How can you be smart enough to be a faculty member yet stupid enough to believe something so inane? :crazy:
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Geoff R. Casavant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 12:31 PM
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22. This has more lives than the Protocols of Zion.
And just a fraudulent.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 12:33 PM
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23. The Republicassholes must really be pissed to whine about Jane Fonda now
They'll say anything to get attention away from the fact that they are getting the shit smacked out of them in congress.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 06:51 PM
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26. This is so ancient.
Some right-wing nut or nut sympathizer gets this in their inbox and thinks they've discovered something.

Yawn!
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