The most revolting fucking thing I've EVER heard a rightwinger say:

[Redstone]

I got into it about this stupid fucking war with a a rush-parroting rightwing asshole at the bar the other day, and I'm not sure if this came from mister limpball's radio show, but he said something that I would have decked him for saying, but Mrs R wouldn't let me.

I couldn't make this up if I tried: I said something about the other things we could have done with the half a trillion bucks we've pissed away on bushy's little war, and he actually said: "Where do you think that half a trillion dollars has gone? It's gone right into the U.S. economy!"

Mrs R wouldn't let me hit him, so I asked "So what you're telling me is that it's OK for us to kill three thousand of our children, to keep the economy strong?

Amazingly enough, he actually responded with that bullshit about "what's three thousand dead; that's not as many people dead as there are from car accidents...."

I told Mrs R, and loudly, that if she really didn't want me to hit him, we had to leave, so we left. For once, I wish Mrs R hadn't been with me. I would have really enjoyed mopping the floor with that soulless piece of shit. Would have been easy, too; the guy even looked like Limpballs - an old, fat, pasty drunken lazy bastard with a BIG, fat mouth, but small brains. Probably tiny dick, too.

"It doesn't matter if Americans are dying in Iraq, as long as it helps the economy!" Fuck me, that's the WORST I've heard yet.

Thank you all for allowing me to vent. I can't talk to Mrs R about it because if I do, I'll get (another) lecture about how I can't pound any sense into anyone, and an asshole isn't worth getting arrested over. Yes, I know, she's probably right. But I would have enjoyed it.


Redstone

(See how upset I got, just remembering it? I forgot to sign my post!)

[rurallib]

1. Should have told him to sign up and help the economy

[greenman3610]

2. that sort of thing happens to me a lot. Arguments end

when you realize that the person you are
talking to so dumbed down and brutalized that
they are literally incapable of comprehending
reality.

[illinoisprogressive]

3. It has done nothing for the economy. alot for bush's cronies...

[Radio_Lady]

4. You don't need to get arrested for your behavior in a bar, pal!

Redstone, if I were your wife, I would give you:

"...(another) lecture about how I can't pound any sense into anyone, and an asshole isn't worth getting arrested over."

Glad you didn't get hurt. Sometimes, testosterone just overrules mens' brains, and I include my hubby in that, too.

Regards to your wife. She has your best interests at heart.

In peace,

Radio Lady in Oregon

[Esra Star]

22. Hear! Hear! good one radio-momma

[LynnTheDem]

5. "It doesn't matter if Americans are dying in Iraq,

as long as it helps the economy!"

GREAT! SUPPORT A SOLDIER...send that rightwingnut motherfucker over to Iraq to die, instead!

[Poiuyt]

6. And if Americans would just buy more American cars, then car accidents

would help the American economy also! We should all drink and drive to help the economy!

[poiuytsister]

78. Hey Poiuyt

What do you drive?

[Initech]

7. I've heard right-wingers say some pretty stupid shit, but that takes the cake!

[Starbucks Anarchist]

8. Hell, it takes the bakery.

[seabeyond]

9. tsk tsk... lecture on violence to resort to violence to ?resolve?

or appease your anger. lol. kinda like bushie and rw warmongers.

[Redstone]

12. No, this is personal. I'm not advocating letting OTHER PEOPLE'S kid get killed.

Redstone

[seabeyond]

16. this is true. there is never a time where hitting someone comes to me as a solution

to any issue. i am sorry he was such a jerk. many jerks in my time. i guess we about all feel that way on this board. glad mrs. was there. would hate to see you suffer repercussions. plus, regardless of what a pig he is, you hit and i would have to side with him,.... that wouldnt be fun

[Redstone]

45. Yes, you're right. Dead soldiers are a hot-button issue with me, so I should have

left right away. I'll do that next time.

Thanks for the sound advice.

Redstone

[seabeyond]

47. Dead soldiers are a hot-button issue with me

then i am sure there is more to the story, for you.

this is the really sick part of the whole thing. the right spouting off standing for the soldiers when what they support is absolute opposite of standing with soldiers and they will be the first to say, but they volunteered. has to make vets, especially vets against the war, so mad. assuming this is what you were implying, that you are a vet. (i always lose when i assume). i have massive respect and admiration for the vets on this board.

[Redstone]

49. Holy Moly! Hid DID make a big fuss about how "they're all volunteers!" You know some people

like that, don't you?

And no, I was never in an armed service, but I did work for the Air force under contract, and I did end up in combat in Southeast Asia and was wounded in the process. A long and twisted story of stupidity on my part. But hey, $1500 per month was a lot of money in 1972.

Redstone

[seabeyond]

50. lol lol funny

see, told you... i am always wrong when i assume. why i try really hard not to and pretty sure that i can be as wrong or not when i do.

ya... i hear that a lot. from every republican defending having the soldiers over there. it is the same tired party line they pass around to the repugs thru their boards. i figure it is what they are getting from limbaugh and fox, thru whitehouse talking points. pretty predictible with everything they say.

[WinkyDink]

68. Yeah, it's a knee-slapper, that topic of DEAD AMERICANS.

[seabeyond]

77. are you suggesting i dont take life, any life, especially our soldiers

seriously? what a foolish comment.

[proud patriot]

10. the n word

it was so hateful :(

[KEVINSDESK]

11. Never argue with a fool, people will forget who's who

Well it has to be your timing.  You wanted to drink and
complain and he wanted to drink and talk.  It's difficult to
have arguments when both parties arn't listening. Your wife is
probably right. You would have gone to jail and looked like a
fool.

[Redstone]

14. I wasn't drinking. We were there for lunch, and I don't drink during the day.

And I didn't start the discussion. So no, O wise one, I was NOT "drinking and complaining."

Redstone

[Kerrytravelers]

75. Redstone is quite a good listener and not one I would consider a drunken hothead.

Why is it necessarily Redstone's timing? Perhaps the guy in the bar is simply a heartless asshat.

[Kerrytravelers]

76. KEVINSDESK---

Welcome to DU!

I'm curious about your homepage. Do you work there?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

13. Meh.

Sounds like the basic party platform to me.

[Redstone]

15. I was just shocked at the lowness of that statement. The one about "Hey, it's ONLY 3,000

is bad enough, but this is just fucking MEAN to the families of those dead Americans.

Redstone

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

17. I might be shocked at the honesty of it.

But the lowness and meanness doesn't. I really think that's what the party stands for.

[Redstone]

24. Good point you make, right there.

Redstone

[treestar]

18. Maybe he works for a defense contractor

Halliburton must have employees.

Well, they can get jobs elsewhere, or we bleeding heart libs will support them, we don't have to keep killing Arabs just to keep them in business.

That's what it's all been about ever since the USSR dissolved. Finding another enemy to justify the expenses paid to the military-industrial complex.

[JohnnyLib2]

19. You found part of the 29% supporting this madness.

Painful. At least we can turn Limbaugh off!

[cynatnite]

20. Damn, Red...

That is some fucked up shit. I bet this moran says he supports the troops, too. :puke:

Personally, I'm glad she was with you. We prefer you here rather than in jail. :)

[Redstone]

71. That was a very nice thing for you to say. Thank you.

Redstone

[lapfog_1]

21. A whole lot of the money was stolen or otherwise

disappeared. And most of it went right into Euros and other harder currency than the dollar. And those Euros are NOT being invested in the US.

I would have also said that he is invited to go explain to each of the 3000 sets of parents that their children deaths are simply part of doing business and that they could have just as easily died in a car accident. If if parts of him return from that mission to explain his views to the relatives of our dead soldiers, then you would be happy to continue the conversation.

[libnnc]

23. They just cannot admit that they are wrong.

Some people will say the dumb-fucking-est, most evil and insensitive things...so long as they don't have to admit they were wrong.

Radioactive, super toxic, rat-poisoned stubbornness. And it's killed almost a million people.

It's enough to make me want to put my head through drywall.

[Redstone]

28. "Rat-poisoned stubbornness." That's magnificent. Can I steal it?

I really, really like that phrase.

Redstone

[libnnc]

29. Consider it yours my friend.

:hi:

[tularetom]

25. I've avoided the "19th hole" at the golf course

for that very reason. They run fauxnews 24/7 in there and the place is usually full of sycophantic * lovers and I swear their IQ's drop 30 points when they go in there. I'm 65 years old and I haven't been in a real fight in at least 30 years but if I stay in there I'm going to punch out one of these asswipes. Or take a 7 iron to 'em. So I know where you're coming from.

[Redstone]

30. Thanks. We're not sitting at the bar in that restaurant for lunch anymore.

We'll get a table, instead.

Redstone

[MichiganVote]

26. So...how much would the bail really amount to anyway?

[Redstone]

31. Probably only five grand or so. But I'm too busy for trials and meetings with

lawyers and stuff. Too many projects promised to my customers this month.

Redstone

[MichiganVote]

34. Yeah..probably best to walk away. Next time get his address

and start the march of the junk mail. You know, go online, sign him up for everything, especially charities, that you can find. Sit back and know that everyday he goes home there will be a stack of mail a mile high. And of course all those non profit phone calls....

Love to have seen the guy have to explain what he said to the judge.

[Redstone]

36. Especially if the judge had a relative in Iraq!

Redstone

[MichiganVote]

39. Really! Almost everybody knows somebody these days

Wouldn't have to be the judge, could be the cops too. I don't know Red, if your wife were reading this she might deck me. And if my husband were going to punch the guy I'd probably stop him too but there's always that chance that I'd do it instead in a situation such as you describe.

Peace. Something will happen to the guy. Live by the screed of greed, die by the screed of greed.

[Redstone]

40. Guy drinks like a fish, in the middle of the day. He'll end up in a ditch somewhere.

Redstone

[MichiganVote]

42. To be sure. Another mouth on the end of a barstool. Shame to breathe the same air.

[smirkymonkey]

81. Good.

Let's hope it's 6 feet deep.

[dysfunctional press]

27. next time, let's NOT have the war...

and just send every american $30,000.

now THAT would put a boost into the economy.


unfortunately, that opportunity won't be available in any of our lifetimes.

[Redstone]

35. No, send every American who makes below the median income $60,000.

I'd vote for that, even though it would cost me my $30K.

Redstone

[lordsummerisle]

41. Great line QuestionAll...! n/t

[regnaD kciN]

32. Far from the most revolting I've heard...

That came at the start of Gulf War I, from a truly f***ed-up programmer who was a co-worker. He said he was hoping that genetic research could progress to the point where we could identify a gene only found in those of Arab background. Then, we could create an AIDS-like virus that would only affect people with that gene, and release it into the atmosphere, so that it could kill off every Arab in the world while leaving "normal people" alone. :puke:

Then, to prove he was an equal-opportunity bigot, he went on to say that, once Arabs were eliminated from the face of the earth, the next thing the U.S. should do would be to "invade Israel," no doubt to carry out a Finaler-Than-Final Solution. :crazy:

Need I mention he was also addicted to crystal meth?

[Redstone]

37. Jesus, that meth shit really DOES rot your brain, doesn't it?

Redstone

[Initech]

48. What. the. fuck?

:wow:

[tinfoilinfor2005]

33. Peace and love, brother. Now calm down, take a deep breath,

and then go back to the restaurant, find this jerk, and punch him right square in the face until his teeth rattle. Oh, and don't forget to flash him the peace sign.

[Redstone]

43. No, no, NO! You NEVER punch someone in a bar fight!

You hit them in the middle of the face with a beer mug.

Keeps you from hurting your hand, and have you ever had a broken nose? That hurts SO bad that even the biggest, meanest son of a bitch around can't do ANYTHING for two minutes or so.

Redstone

[tinfoilinfor2005]

62. Well, there's my problem. I'm a wine drinker.

I would have to think long and hard before sacrificing a good full bodied cabernet with just the slightest hint of lemon that linger in the palate.

:9

[Unvanguard]

38. Of course, it doesn't really help the economy.

The very idea is ludicrous; it's akin to saying that buying and wasting a good or service is preferable to buying and productively using a good or service.

If the money weren't spent on the war, it would be spent elsewhere. It isn't like half a trillion dollars worth of goods just popped out of nowhere when Bush decided to smash Iraq.

As you say, though, even if it did, it wouldn't be worth it. Human lives cannot justly be sacrificed for wealth.

[Imagevision]

44. Repukes blogs use "more then 3000 die from car accidents" as a mantra...

[Redstone]

46. somebody mentioned that here a few days ago. Can there be a more stupid

"argument?" I don't think there's even a NAME for a logical fallacy that is THAT twisted.

Redstone

[LeftishBrit]

58. What is so weird about that...

is on the one hand they act as though 3000 dying in a war is nothing out of the ordinary; on the other hand they act as though 3000 dying as a result of terrorism is reason to abolish civil liberties and of course have that war. They can't have it both ways - exploiting deaths when it suits them, and trivializing deaths when it suits them. Of course, to do either is callous, but to do both is callous AND either insane or hypocritical or most likely both.

[NewJeffCT]

69. And Iraq is safer than California, too

I've heard that (or similar) several times, too.

Of course, if you compare our 140,000 troops in Iraq to the 40 million people in California, California does come up a bit short. Of course, they conveniently forget that there are another 27 million Iraqis dying at way too fast a rate.

[smirkymonkey]

80. I feel like my head is going to explode.....

What the F**k does "more than 3000 die from car accidents" have to do with anything? These people make me sick. Not only are they completely heartless, but they use STUPID arguments to justify it.

:grr: :grr: :grr:

[GuvWurld]

51. A Suggestion

The visceral response that tempts us to be violent is understandable and normal. Keeping it in check is appropriate and beneficial. Consider, in your efforts to contribute to peace, if you could see encounters like this as an opportunity. You can even tell yourself that you're going to have fun "fucking with the head" of the other person (snicker fiendishly afterward for bonus points).

My suggestion is not to tell things that you know, but instead to ask questions and find out what "wrong facts" the person may believe. When this can be determined, it can often be shown as contradictory to something else they tell you they believe. Exit stage left. Leave them to sort out how they can believe the two conflicting points. All the while they're happy to talk if you seem interested, or better, like you're learning from what they have to say. Theirs is a proud ignorance, you know. Anyway, this is a strategy for getting people to confront their cognitive dissonance. It is part of what I call ruthless honesty. In my opinion, this is the best way for us to win back many of those souls that have detached from reality.

[Golden Raisin]

52. Yeah. The freepers all "support the troops."

[Warren DeMontague]

53. Er, isn't that the sort of big government welfare they're always bitching about?

Why not skip the middleman -and the 3,000 troops killed- and hand the cash out (by my estimation, around a thousand bucks for each of us) in little wicker baskets to every American citizen?

[B Calm]

54. Republicans believe three thousand dead in vain is a small price

to pay for oil profits.

[donheld]

55. It doesn't matter if Americans are dying... as long as it helps the economy"

Tell the guy to help the economy. Tell him he needs to his patriotic duty, join up and go to Iraq.

[BlueIris]

56. That was the first thing I heard a supporter say about the War on Terror.

And it was my (now ex) boyfriend's mother who said it. I think she was drunk at the time, but still. This was on September 11, 2001. The ex and his fam and I had all decided to keep our dinner date with each other despite the crisis. What a mistake. The very first opinion Mrs. Asshole expressed about the putative U.S. military response to 9/11 was "Well, it's like I was just telling Mr. Asshole--war stimulates the economy!" You have never seen a happier face in your life, either. UGH. How happy I am to be free of the influence of these people.

Good for you for not hitting anyone, Redstone.

[Redstone]

74. Thank you, m'dear. and I DO understand why that guy is now your EX-BF.

That kind of family is just WAY too much of a burden to have to bear.

Redstone

[TroglodyteScholar]

57. That's the worst thing you've heard a rightwinger say? You're lucky...

When the tsunami happened in Indonesia, a guy I know said (I shit you not), "Oh, flooding in Indonesia? Good, I hope it killed a lot of poor people."

A lot of these folks really don't have any empathy or conscience. We're just going to have to accept that.

[LeftishBrit]

59. WHAATTTTTT??? How horrible!!!

The worst thing that I've heard a right-winger say was: "Hitler made a mistake in invading other countries. He should have just stuck to his work at home, dealing with the communists and the gypsies" (the only reason he didn't add "and the Jews" was that there were a few of us present).

[TroglodyteScholar]

64. Woo, that's pretty bad too. n/t

[pecwae]

60. That'as bad and I've heard it before

from the same former neighbor who told me that veterans with auto tags like "POW", "Disabled American Veteran", anything that indicates they are vets who went through hell, are only doing it for sympathy.

[caledesi]

61. RS - don't ever get into political debates where there is alcohol.

It could cost you your life! Seriously, awhile ago, here in Florida, a customer got into a political argument with the bartender and the bartender shot him dead!

Needless to say, the bartender was RW.

[Usrename]

63. Your wife is right about trying to pound sense into these asshats.

But applying a little attitude adjustment every now and then could actually help.

:)

[Hubert Flottz]

65. One told me the same thing right before the election in 2004.

I ejected him from my house!

[WinkyDink]

66. That "car accident" (or "drug murders/overdoses") "comparison" is THE RW

talking-point this year. Rush, Hannity, some Roger in for Rush, etc.

Also~~~How it's not really bad in Iraq, violence-wise, "COMPARED TO American cities".

IOW, just NOT ENOUGH DEAD in IRAQ for it to, you know, be NOTE-WORTHY.

Republicans are disgustingly, criminally evil. I'm sure they will say that spouting this "the number isn't so big" crap is "supporting the troops".

[Arugula Latte]

67. And those 650,000 slaughtered Iraqis are not even worth mentioning.

:grr:

What a dickhead that guy is. Sadly, there are millions more like him.

[NewJeffCT]

70. To top it off - the $500 billion has NOT all gone into the economy

Yes, some of it has - but, we import 60% or so of our oil, so 60% of all the fuel used there goes to economies in Saudi Arabia and other foreign countries...

And, how many billions has been pissed away trying to rebuild Iraq? That hasn't gone into the economy.

[SunDrop23]

72. Fascists. Pure and simple. Big fat scumbag fascists. Hitler would be proud.

We must NOT allow them to stay in the White House in 2008.

[Kerrytravelers]

73. It's shocking... but not surprising. There is a heartlessness that prevails among people that

continually saddens me.

[Cleita]

79. Bar fights with pasty, drunken lazy bastards with big fat mouths

usually isn't a good move. Those guys have mean lawyers. As an ex-bartender I have seen such things happen and I honestly believe those guys probably are loudmouths because they figure if anyone assaults them that they can sue them.

In my bar we usually made fun of them. Just keep baiting them and keep making them talk until you hit a point you can make fun of them and laugh at them. It really makes them mad and they can't do anything about it when you make them look like fools. You don't have to touch them. I have seen many of those conservative, three-piece suit guys leave with red faces never to return again.