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balzac Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 12:59 AM
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Republican T-Shirt Woman was a Plant
I'll wager the Republican congressman's wife with the 'support our troops' T-shirt was asked to wear the shirt in order, with the knowledge she'd be ejected because it would give the appearance of even-handedness when throwing Cindy Sheehan out.

I don't think it was a coincidence that she chose to wear a t-shirt to the state of the union address. I find it hard to believe she was just bursting with such patriotic zeal, she'd want to stand out like a sore thumb among all those conservatively dressed people.

Now they say "look, we threw out two protestors, one pro-war, one anti-war, what's the problem?" To further support this theory, I remind you that they knew Cindy was coming, and that a slogan-bearing t-shirt has become the standard tactic. It was used by the republican during Clinton's SOTU address as well as by Code Pink last year.

You see, the punishment for not supporting Bush's war is that you go to jail if you ever get close enough to tell them to their face. This happened before when Dick Cheney had a man arrested for telling him to "Go **** yourself", just as Cheney had said to Leahey on the floor of the senate.

Also, the cop must have gotten carried away, or was only dimly aware of the plan, because he arrested Cindy, which was a bad idea, because it screws up their claim to consistent, even-handed response.

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Roxy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 01:00 AM
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1. Point on n/t
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 01:01 AM
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2. My first thought too, but I that's because I expect the most unbelievably
absurd things to happen these days.


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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 01:02 AM
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3. I agree and also want to point out
that I'm reading the report on Alex Jones' site and he makes a good point about the Cindy event:

Link: http://infowars.com/articles/media/sheehan_mainstream_media_spin_machine.htm

Snip: <It is clear that both T-shirts were making political statements, but only the anti-government shirt was deemed to be an arrestable offence.

Furthermore, would Young have been asked to leave if the Sheehan incident hadn't already occurred and Bush's security goons weren't wary of saving face?

With the enveloping stranglehold of 'free speech zones' at any political event, the parameters have been framed whereby any political message or any information period is classified as a felony. New Patriot Act provisions that allow secret service personnel to arrest protesters en masse dovetails to ensure the elimination of free speech in America.

And you don't even have to be at a political event to be targeted.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 01:03 AM
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4. Posted this earlier today ...
Where are the photographs of Ms. Young from last night?

Firstly, what representative's wife goes to the SOTU address in a
T-shirt? It's a dressy affair; men in suits, women equally well-turned-out.

We know that Cindy's decision to attend was a last-minute one -- I'm assuming that Ms. Young has been planning to attend for MONTHS, and would have given a lot of thought to what she would wear.

If Ms. Young had her hair 'done', was wearing her 'good' jewelry, and was well-accessorized (matching shoes and purse, etc.), it will be OBVIOUS that she was asked to don the T-shirt at the last minute - and for obvious reasons.

SHOW US THE PHOTOS!



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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 01:05 AM
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5. And something else
is right away when she was escorted out she went straight to the nearest press. She's been all over the place and no longer about Cindy anymore and real anti-free speech reports.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 01:08 AM
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7. I also wanted to add
where was the media reporting this Tuesday night? They were with Cindy and all rushing to get to her story and interview her even when she was still in jail. Now it's all this woman.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 01:09 AM
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8. There's something certainly foul smelling about this. n/t
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Protagoras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 12:19 PM
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32. innoculation
that is what it was
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 01:15 AM
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14. "She went straight to the nearest press ..."
Which again begs the question: Where are the photographs?

Men might not take notice of such things, but we women would recognize a put-up job IMMEDIATELY if she was all decked out in an evening suit or other appropriate dress - set off by a f#ckin' cotton T-shirt from the nearest dollar store!

Surrounded by press, and no one took a single photograph of the grieving, put-upon Republican woman?

{PS: They probably approached Mrs. Alito to don the T-shirt first, but realized how quickly cotton shrinks when drenched in tears ...)
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 01:21 AM
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17. I read in another thread about this
that she had a shirt on underneath the TShirt which is interesting.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 01:47 AM
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25. Bingo! -- No Congressman's wife would commit such a fashion faux pas
good post
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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 01:07 AM
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6. Kicked, and recommended for 'Greatest' page. n/t
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balzac Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 01:10 AM
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9. Sadly, my naive old dad can't see the logic of my argument
Edited on Thu Feb-02-06 01:10 AM by balzac
He thinks I'm paranoid. That frustrates me. The old man watches too much Tee Vee.
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 01:27 AM
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22. Your dad is most likely a basically "honest fellow"
Who cannot/will not believe that people/LEADERS could possibly be so corrupt! Your dad has probably served. It's difficult to grasp it all...but the truth is laid before us....open your eyes and see!!!
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Skelington Donating Member (436 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 01:56 PM
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38. "naive, old dad", nice. "the old man watches to much tee vee" sweet.
How much did that naive, old man have to give in his life for you. I'm speaking out of turn, and I know it. But christ! Is there anybody you respect enough to hold the insults to yourself?
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balzac Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 04:22 PM
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51. It's not an insult. It's just the facts.
Edited on Thu Feb-02-06 04:23 PM by balzac
Why do you insist on emoting rather than thinking? Of course I love my dad. I'm reporting the insidious effects of TV propaganda on my family. You have no idea how sad it makes me. I am deeply committed to fighting mental and moral disease, spread through television.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 01:10 AM
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10. Your theory makes sense. They knew Cindy was coming as soon as...
Edited on Thu Feb-02-06 01:10 AM by Dr Fate
...it was discussed over the phone by her.

I wonder when Cindy was invited-and when Rove found out she was invited.

Anyone know or have any ideas?
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balzac Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 01:12 AM
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12. I have other theories that make sense. For example: Zarqawi doesn't exist
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 01:21 AM
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16. related thread:
Your theory is more likely- but some of us were even questioning whether she even wore the shirt in the Capital auditorium at all-hey, trusting anything on the news these days is dangerous!

Welcome to our forum!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x300486
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 01:58 PM
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40. her photo in the gallery with the t-shirt on is in this link
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 04:17 PM
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49. The caption says she was asked to leave but
Edited on Thu Feb-02-06 04:18 PM by hippywife
no one in the pic but her. No police or security escort. I think this all stinks.

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 01:22 AM
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18. And BinLadin is dead
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NoAmericanTaliban Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 01:10 AM
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11. Welcome to DU. It's possible especially considering ...
the rightous indignation displayed. She was shown on CNN today when they were interviewing Cindy & she seems sooo upset about being asked to leave. She did say that she asked to be arrested, but of course she wasn't. She didn't mention anything about Cindy, but her situation may be the reason the charges against Cindy were dropped. This sure has stirred up the pot & is giving Cindy a lot of free exposure.
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balzac Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 01:13 AM
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13. Thank you.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 01:15 AM
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15. I have two questions about her
Has she ever attended before and what did she wear on that/those occasions?

Let's find out the history of her and see where that story goes.

Her Congressman husband was bellowing that she "supports the troops everyday", so let's see if she has worn a tshirt to this speech before.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 01:22 AM
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20. Or just go back to last year
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 01:22 AM
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19. Oh and welcome to DU
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balzac Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 01:41 AM
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23. Thanks :-)
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travistravis Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 01:24 AM
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21. The official DU van
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 01:47 AM
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24. That's a photo of a van, not one of her in the Capital auditorium.
Edited on Thu Feb-02-06 01:47 AM by Dr Fate
Can you find one of those? We have real-time pics of Sheehan being confronted by guards but none of the Repub. wife yet...

I'll bet they are out there- but the media is not showing it yet for some reason.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 02:34 AM
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26. Watch this!!!!
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Protagoras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 02:39 AM
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27. That's immediately what I thought.
These kind of PR stunts aren't one level deep...they are two or three...and they knew they were going to punt Cindy so they planted someone who's a characture of the other side so they could imply it wasn't anything PERSONAL or BIASED...which of course it was.
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balzac Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 03:52 PM
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44. I'm really glad to see people who see through this shit
We are not paranoid! Other people are fucking naive!

I'm not a fruitcake conspiracy nut either. I believe planes brought down the WTC towers, not freaking explosives! Even so, I suspect there may have been Bush administration insiders who expected US to be attacked and wanted it to happen. And it appears they want it to happen even today!

Are you with me or do you think I'm paranoid?


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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 12:00 PM
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28. I thought so too. Although, based on Binka's story, it sound like
Bev is a real piece of trash who'd probably wear a cheesy, puff-paint, sequined American flag t-shirt to a black-tie dinner. Not that it stil wasn't a stunt anyway, just saying that could explain why she wouldn't dress in pearls and a sweater set.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 12:02 PM
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29. Mrs. Young even cursed to get attention, but no photos, no videos?
It's a Republican Skunk Puppet!



http://www.letusteachkids.com/puppets/skunk.htm

With a workable mouth and tail, she can be posed in attack position, but don't worry; scent glands are not included!
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 12:06 PM
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30. I still haven't seen any absolute proof that she wore that shirt to SOTU
All we have seen and heard is her and her old man saying she was asked to leave because of the shirt. Then the old man was holding it up on the house floor.
Has anyone with credibility come forward and said they saw her there, let alone wearing the shirt?

It is still a finger in the chili story as far as I am concerned.
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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 12:09 PM
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31. My theory
Repub congressman sees Cindy thrown out for wearing a t-shirt.

Turns to aide - "quick, run back to my office and get one of those 'support the troops' t-shirts from my bottom drawer."

Aide returns with shirt

Turns to wife - "Hey, honey - run to the bathroom and put this on...."
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 12:22 PM
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33. Good idea! It may well have been that way.

One way or the other, it was a Republican/Rovian plant.
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balzac Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 03:39 PM
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41. That occurred to me too!
Exactly that suspicion occurred to me as a possible scenario. I kid you not.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 12:23 PM
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34. She was indeed a plant, but it doesn't get that detailed
I watched (unwillingly, its on at work) some Faux News Channel morning coverage of her, and she got tons of interviews and pictures. She is all over the place. And she and her husband kept throwing out lame soundbytes like "We just really support the troops and what they are doing, and I am not afraid to show it off".


So, I am guessing that the couple decided to cause a stir of their own so her husband could get some free face time and free advertising.

Look to see those clips in his district this fall, on campaign commercials...
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 12:39 PM
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35. I don't think so. What wife of a politician willingly gets thrown out and
nationally embarrassed for the off chance that she will counter Cindy Sheehan?

Give me a break.
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balzac Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 03:54 PM
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46. Duuuuhhhhhh....
I can't imagine the wife of a republican politician doing theatrics for political advantage! What kind of republican politician's wife would try to DECEIVE PEOPLE?

Unbelievable!
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lhfang Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 12:43 PM
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36. of course she was
its rediculous
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 01:01 PM
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37. if she was a plant, it backfired.
Edited on Thu Feb-02-06 01:02 PM by ellenfl
my paper (palm beach post) had a front page (below the fold but front page!) story today about mrs. young and cindy being ejected. mrs. young apparently pitched a fit in the lobby.

ellen fl
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balzac Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 03:44 PM
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42. It didn't backfire. How naive!
This republican woman is helping Bush deflect blame by giving him the appearance of being even handed. But I think I already explained that in the original post. Do you really think any of the theatrics by the wife of a congressman are sincere? Do you know what a politician does professionally? They LIE!!!
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 03:59 PM
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48. it doesn't matter. it gave cindy FACE time! she's on the front
Edited on Thu Feb-02-06 03:59 PM by ellenfl
page of a major florida (read red state) newspaper AND she was treated well by the newspaper. in this day of NO media coverage for activists, this is a good thing.

i will keep you posted on the response in the lttes . . . if you are at all interested in a non-conspiracy opinion on this.

btw, a constituent of rep. alcee hastings (dem-fl) was also ejected, i'm not sure yet why.

ellen fl
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balzac Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 04:20 PM
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50. It does Matter. The Republican Woman didn't Give Cindy Face Time!
Cindy earned it by showing up, expressing herself and getting arrested. That republican woman is a war-pig with none of her own children at risk.
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 07:19 PM
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57. the republican woman is irrelevent. however, and
Edited on Thu Feb-02-06 07:21 PM by ellenfl
especially since she is from florida, perhaps cindy would not have made our paper without her being ejected too. i don't believe this was a conspiracy to negate cindy. if anything i think it did the opposite.

ellen fl
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 01:58 PM
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39. I thought this the moment I heard about it
There is no doubt in my mind, and Im not usually a conspiracy buff/
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balzac Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 03:47 PM
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43. Gut Check! Does Zarqawi exist?
I want your opinion, Ksec. I don't need to convince everyone of this, only to speak once in a while to a person who is neither duped by Corporate Media or the red-herring conspiracy theories that pollute the minds of so many of us on the left.
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Chiyo-chichi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 03:53 PM
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45. Cheney had the "go fuck yourself" guy arrested?
Link?

I've seen the clip, but I didn't know he was arrested.
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balzac Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 03:55 PM
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47. I read his personal account
I don't have a link though, sorry.
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Chiyo-chichi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 04:59 PM
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52. I googled it, thanks.
He was an E.R. physician, lost his home to Katrina - was cuffed & detained for 20 mintues. Not arrested, but still highly egregious.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 05:05 PM
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53. No Way In Hell It Was Staged. 100% Wasn't.
There's a lot of wild different theories I've seen on DU, many of which I've come to adopt and give credence to. It is one of those things I truly value DU for, getting informed on things I would've never opened my eyes to otherwise.

This is not one of those things. Not an iota's chance in hell that this wasn't what it was.
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balzac Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 05:14 PM
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54. Why don't you start a religion, based on your faith?
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 05:18 PM
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55. Because I'm Not The One Putting Forth Fantastical Theories.
Feel free to start your own though. I have no qualms with it. :hi:
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 07:35 PM
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58. Show us the pictures.
Why claim it as fact? You always appear to have inside information, OPERATIONMINDCRIME. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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ChickMagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 05:19 PM
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56. You are such a cynic!
And I wholeheartedly agree with you. I have never seen a
congressman's wife wear a tee shirt to the SOTU. Cindy had been
wearing that shirt all day. Read her account at
www.michaelmoore.com.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-02-06 07:37 PM
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59. But how did they know Cindy Sheehan was going to wear the t-shirt?
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