POLL: Is Bush an Asshole or a Douche?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

Most of the country just ridicules Bush now.

Before, the people who disapproved had anger toward him but didn't laugh at him as much as they do now, which means back then he appeared to be more of an asshole than a douche.

Now that he's been exposed as ridiculous buffoon but still tries to pretend he's not an AWOL coward, he is clearly not an asshole but a douche.

Agree?

[WI_DEM]

1. ass-holes (literally speaking) and douche bags serve a purpose, Bush doesn't.

[whistle]

6. Exactly....Bush is more like gangrene, rotting everything he comes

...in contact with

[emmadoggy]

16. Ding, ding, ding! There's the winner!

:thumbsup:

[whistle]

53. Here you go, an asshole test for the president

http://www.fuali.com/test.aspx?id=dd4c0ca6-a554-4cbe-b0e7-bc17462a412e

[TahitiNut]

8. GMTA. It's difficult to compare him to anything that performs a useful function.

:thumbsup: He's about as useful as a cheesecloth condom.

[FourScore]

61. I think this question and poll are EXTREMELY insulting

to both assholes and douches...:smoke:

[omega minimo]

64. but most of all to

dickheads

[BuyingThyme]

Ass douche.

[datadiva]

2. You need an other

As in Both.

[endarkenment]

3. Ass Douche?

We need more options.

[Ian_rd]

26. Douche-ass? You're right, more options needed :)

[Imagevision]

41. Bush? - Traitor! He supporrts Halliburton, not the troops!

[jgraz]

4. He's an asshole AND a douche

Would that make him an enema??

[Proud2BAmurkin]

5. LOL

:rofl:

[tridim]

13. Enemas are cleansing, beneficial and healthy

Bush is none of these things.

[unpossibles]

7. he's an assbag douche-hole n/t

[Beaverhausen]

9. He's a piece of shit stuck to an asshole

did I write that?










Yes, I did!

[porphyrian]

10. Everyone's an asshole on occasion, but it takes a special kind of person to be a douche.

That said, bush is a piece of shit fucking traitor.

[omega minimo]

25. Everyone's a patriot on occasion but it takes a special kind of person to not be sexist.

Apparently.



:hi:

[porphyrian]

40. Everyone's a little bit sexist.

We're biochemically predisposed to at least acknowledge the differences. Personally, I think it's more insulting to women to suggest that bush has any feminine qualities at all than it is to call him a douche, but that's me.
;)

[omega minimo]

42. Way to justify it P.

:evilfrown:

Bigotry darkens the shine of our common goals.

[porphyrian]

51. I'm not justifying anything, I'm plainly speaking my position on this particular case.

I don't rank the use of the word "douche" as an insult very highly on the sexism scale. If that were the worst level of sexism we had to address, there wouldn't be much of a problem at all. I didn't say you were wrong for pointing it out though, I agreed with you. I simply tried to put it into perspective. Calling bush a douche is nowhere near a man striking a woman or even a woman suggesting all men should be castrated. It's about the same as calling laura bush a dirty jock strap, and I'm just not that moved by it as an example of bigotry. Again, if that were the worst example of bigotry we had to address, the battle would almost be over.

[VelmaD]

52. My issue...

is that no one ever calls Laura a "dirty jock strap". But the word douche gets used in GD all the time. It's just an issue of the general culture in here. And just because it isn't the worst thing they call us, that doesn't mean they should be allowed to think it's ok.

And I've always wondered what's going through men's heads when they use that word. It's not an insult that gets used much in public in the part of the country I live in.

[porphyrian]

56. It's just a catch phrase insult people usually don't think about before using.

I think it's good when people like you bring up how it can be considered sexist, as I don't think it crosses peoples' minds most of the time. It's kind of like using "gay" or "retarded" as an insult. And while I don't personally use them (I prefer good ol' profanity, myself), I think I may shed some light on why people in general do.

The thing about insults is that they are supposed to be insulting to the target. When insulting a man who has issues with proving his masculinity, using words like "douche" and "bitch" are extremely effective as they address the targets weaknesses and insecurities. As many men share these insecurities, feminine terminology is often used as a form of insult - not because the name caller is sexist or hates women, but because the target of the insult is hurt more by those words. In this case, they become the better weapon. If the target is homophobic or worried other may think they're homosexual, words like "gay" are the better weapon. If the target is worried about appearing unintelligent, words like "retarded" are the better weapon against them.

Again, I'm not advocating the use of these words, I'm simply trying to explain their use.

[omega minimo]

58. Think. Think about it. Think about what you just said:

"When insulting a man who has issues with proving his masculinity, using words like "douche" and "bitch" are extremely effective as they address the targets weaknesses and insecurities. As many men share these insecurities, feminine terminology is often used as a form of insult - not because the name caller is sexist or hates women, but because the target of the insult is hurt more by those words."

Don't kid yourself. Don't justify it: "not because the name caller is sexist or hates women." Please think that through.

[porphyrian]

60. Again, I'm not justifying it. I'm giving you another perspective on the use of language.

I'm not kidding myself, and I have thought it through. I understand that you don't know me beyond what you've read of my stuff here, but you're wrong about me here. Insults are tailored to the person insulted, not to anyone else the words used may apply - that's a tertiary factor seldom considered by the person using them beyond their effectiveness as an insult. Does the choice of wording reflect on the person using it? Of course. However, people who are upset often say things they wouldn't otherwise, and I don't believe one's choice of insult reflects as much on the insulter as on the person they insult (or at least their perception of that person). I'm right here, and I'm not saying sexism is acceptable.

[omega minimo]

57. What Velma D. said.

And in the "general culture," sexism --as stated in DU Rules-- "cheapens the discourse for everyone." It makes people look ignorant. It "normalizes" bigotry. It's divisive. It's hateful. It's status quo. SNAFU.

You're right. "Douche" may be at the low end on a sliding scale of sliminess. Don't overlook, though, the fact that the OP title and brief set-up for the poll is all based on some apparently significant DISTINCTION between one term and the other. Aside from the whole premise being a bunch of bullshit, the association of one term with female hygeine is unavoidable. Oh-- by the way, the one that's "ridiculous" and laughable, vs. "angering" and threatening.

At least we understand male subtlety a bit better now.
:sarcasm:


Sexism is a dealbreaker. We may share common goals. But bigotry severs other ties. It is hypocritical and the bigot cannot be believed.


"Feminism is the radical notion that women are people."

[porphyrian]

59. I don't agree that the poll was based on a significant distinction between the terms.

I took it more as a joke in that both are unpleasant. Until you objected in the first place, which was after my initial post, it didn't even occur to me that it would be taken as sexist.

I'm not sure where you're going with your sarcastic point about male subtlety when arguing against sexism, but I'll point that out.

And if sexism is a dealbreaker, we can never have a deal, as sexism is alive, well and institutionalized. So, unless you're declaring sex war, you might want to reevaluate putting the use of "douche" into perspective with the real threats of sexism out there.

I like that quote about feminism by the way, and I agree with it.

[omega minimo]

63. I'm sorry, dear P, you just don't get it. And the "reverse sexism" thing shows that as well.

OP: "Now that he's been exposed as ridiculous buffoon but still tries to pretend he's not an AWOL coward, he is clearly not an asshole but a douche."


The :sarcasm: is that this even IS "male subtlety"-- which, apparently it is, only you don't see-- oops, "agree"-- that the poll set-up choice between This or That HINGED on that distinction............................ :crazy:



As for "declaring sex war" how about DEinstitutionalizing sexism? Are you telling me that SNAFU status quo sexism is all right with you because it is so institutionalized?




I'm sorry you didn't want to think through the ill-logic above there... just think about it. Sometime.

Yes it is a dealbreaker. What is wrong with having integrity enough for shared political values that it includes treating women as egalitarian partners and not as The Other; not treat The Feminine as a "more effective weapon" to insult and humiliate insecure and fearful men?

[porphyrian]

65. I think this is a subject that is very personal for you.

I think that you are mistaken in what you think I think. I think your insisting that my disagreement with your assertions is really my refusal or inability to "see" is both insulting to me and bullshit. I think maybe you are the one who needs to spend some time thinking more about this, because I see your point as well as mine and you seem limited to your own.

[omega minimo]

66. You haven't indicated you understand or thought about it and now it's my personal problem?

OK P. Don't worry about it.

[porphyrian]

68. Wow, you're something else today. I'm not worried about it, but I'm not leaving it at that.

I said again and again that I understand how the word "douche" is sexist and that I basically agreed with you, just not in the same proportion. I attempted to explain to you why I think people use words like "douche" and why I don't agree that it is as big a deal as you've made it out to be. You got progressively irritated and hostile towards me, beginning with joking condescension and claims that I didn't understand. I pointed out the hypocrisy of your being somewhat sexist in your complaints about the sexism of the use of "douche," and that you are the one closing the conversation on sexism if you require there to be none before you talk as it is obviously prevalent today. You must've taken that as my acceptance or defense of sexism, which it wasn't. My assertion that you were taking this personally wasn't calling this your "personal problem," rather it was an acknowledgment of your increasingly hostile tone and obvious emotional attachment to the subject. I'm sorry I didn't make my understanding of the subject clear enough for you to believe it.

[baldguy]

11. He's a lying, stinking, mean and nasty, sack of liquid crap!

Thank you Stephanie Miller.

[OneBlueSky]

12. Billy Ray: "Coleman, should we have lobster or cracked crab?" . . .

Coleman (to Island Girl): "What shall it be? The lobster or the cracked crab?" . . .

Island Girl: "Can't we have both?" . . .

to your question, same answer . . . :)

[npincus]

14. he's mentally ill, that's for sure.

[nam78_two]

15. Bit of both.nt

[Bitwit1234]

17. Article developing on RAWSTORY

Rawstory is researching a story and it is up on their site, not accessible yet.....They say a Fox News reporter said that bush took cocaine on live TV. Don't know anything else...Am going to keep checking back. If this can be proved, not only should he be removed from office he should be jailed immediately. BUT I would hate for cheney to be president.

[jgraz]

20. Hah -- you got punked

Should read: Fox News reporter said on live TV that bush took cocaine.

[endarkenment]

21. "he should be jailed immediately'??

For what?

[Rex]

18. He is both.

George is of a rare variety, he can perform the almost never seen move of assholish douchbaggery.

[jgraz]

19. W transcends all insults

Fifty years from now, the worst thing you could say to someone will be to call them a "Bush".

[Contrary1]

22. Santorum: Numbers 1 through 13:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=santorum

[omega minimo]

23. Which one are you? Oh-- and sexist shite too. Great. Way to represent DU

"Douche" is worse than "asshole" because......

[VelmaD]

27. I'm pretty tired of that word myself...

What it is that makes douche an insult? Someone is going to have to explain it to me?

And guys...if what comes out of our girly-parts is so disgusting...why do y'all seem to spend so much effort trying to get into them? Chew on that for a while before you throw the insult out next time.

[omega minimo]

28. Touche

:toast:



uh we is smirt, we culd figger it owt:


a careful re-read of the op:

"Before, the people who disapproved had anger toward him but didn't laugh at him as much as they do now, which means back then he appeared to be more of an asshole than a douche.

"Asshole" = makes ya angery

"Now that he's been exposed as ridiculous buffoon but still tries to pretend he's not an AWOL coward, he is clearly not an asshole but a douche."

"Douche" = target of redickule-- and a chicken!

[Virginia Dare]

29. Smegma...that would be the male equivalent..n/t

[VelmaD]

30. And yet...

we almost never see that word around here...certainly not as an insult flung at men. Things that make ya go hmmmmmmm.

[Virginia Dare]

31. Maybe we should start using it then...I know I will!...n/t

[VelmaD]

32. oh oh oh...me too

Should be interesting to see how some men on DU react when it's their bodily functions being ridiculed. *snort*

Actually, I'm kinda partial to the poster above who compared Bush to gangrene rotting everything he touches. Disgusting and gender neutral. :)

[omega minimo]

34. Would that make them

"Smegmacrats"?


...Progressive/Dems who cling tight and proudly to their right to diss females and femaleness?

[Connonym]

55. Not really

Smegma isn't gender specific. Douche is a vaginal rinse. To look at it as something disgusting implies a disgust with vaginas. Absolutely 100% sexist.

[TahitiNut]

45. So, am I to conclude that you voted "asshole"?

:silly:

Hell, the only thing I have against "douche" is a slight aversion to the taste of vinegar. :evilgrin:

[omega minimo]

46. I don't vote in bullshit polls. I'm glad you asked tho, TN

I read one of your glowing, golden, integrity-drenched beautifully-put posts about principles (we share) and wondered (again) how sexism can possibly be consistent with that. (It was recent, you may recall it....)

Principle is principle.
Integrity is integrity.
Bigotry is bigotry.

[TahitiNut]

48. Well, I post when it's appropriate to post and Alert when it's appropriate to Alert.

YMMV :silly:

Shit may be shit ... but I tend to reserve my greatest ire for the biggest piles.

[omega minimo]

49. see #40

you dish it out and you know how to sidestep it too.....

[Hubert Flottz]

24. He's the Dingleberry in Cheek

All of the above and then some!

[Avalux]

33. There's folly in writing him off as a douche.

He's deceptive that way; people ridicule him and think he's a buffoon - while they're laughing, he does horrible things. The man has 2 more years left in office and can do a lot more damage. He's a full blown asshole.

[omega minimo]

35. and sexism.

[Avalux]

38. Yes, that too.

Good point. :hi:

[omega minimo]

43. and how is that consistent with DU Rules????????????????????

:hi:

[rpgamerd00d]

36. GO TO GOOGLE, type "Asshole" and hit "IM FEELING LUCKY"

Clearly, Bush is an ASSHOLE.

:rofl:

[itsmesgd]

39. woo hoo, great site and video

[itsmesgd]

37. my vote is the taint...

The useless piece of skin that lies between the privates and the asshole. "'taint the balls and 'taint the ass". It serves no purpose but is a wrinkled section of stinky skin that has no muscle tone. It is the part of the body that collects most of the stinky sweat on a hot day.

[omega minimo]

44. Not everyone has balls. What is wrong with you people?

[Jed Dilligan]

47. Dingleberry.

Or, an asshole in need of a douche.

[omega minimo]

50. Smegmacrats

[GreenTea]

54. Your too easy on him.

[NNN0LHI]

62. I wanted to vote yes. Where is that option? n/t

[WinkyDink]

67. Before or after Jeff Gannon?