We F**ked Up in the Sixties….

[The Whiskey Priest]

While we were telling like it was; they were learning how to tell it like it would sell.

[KarenS]

1. I know, I know,,,,, but I'd rather be this way than

THAT way !!!

[The Whiskey Priest]

7. Ain't it a bitch

felt so damn good back then to push their nose in it, till they choked.

[upi402]

2. good point, i say we gotta fight fire with fire

play by the dirty rules they have set

they'll rue the day one fine day

[The Whiskey Priest]

3. I despair over the fact

they seem to have deeper pockets than we...of course it was the same back in the bad old good days.

[KittyWampus]

6. Don't have to fight "dirty". Just have to use psychology & symbols

Most DU'ers think selling your point of view is somehow beneath them.

That people should just "get it" and respond to rational arguments.

Unfortunately, that's not how humans operate.

[Warren DeMontague]

4. No, we fucked up in the eighties and nineties

when we let them ditch the fairness doctrine and the rules around ownership of media outlets.

[upi402]

5. turns out, that was more damaging to America than NAFTA

[ToolTex]

8. What is damaging now is not seeing what is obvious.

The old rules and institutions are gone. Discussing how to win the next election is a waste of time. The game is over. They won, We lost. Plan for the next game with a new set of rules.

[upi402]

10. I keep trying to NOT see that

fact.
"Is it time to get out?" -I keep asking myself.

[The Whiskey Priest]

12. Ever notice how when you google SDS

You get shit dealing with the stock exchange?

[Hardrada]

15. I found a good site however

and ordered a DVD called "Rebels With a Cause." I was in a good SDS local but it was totally infiltrated by PL and those of us who were anarchists and non-Maoist socialists had to form an auxiliary campus rad group to get anything done.
Also, on our campus only about 400 of us at most could be called rads and antiwar people. The other 20,000 calmly went on to destroy what was left of the positive aspects of the U.S.

[madrchsod]

9. "beatniks are out to make it rich

oh no must be the season of the witch"

[SammyWinstonJack]

11. Money talks and bullshit walks or so I've heard?

:shrug: Or maybe not?

[Hippo_Tron]

13. It also kinda helps them when our leaders get assassinated

[upi402]

14. or plane crashed

[BlueIris]

18. Stop giving them ideas!!!

No, seriously. No knock on wood, go outside, turn around three times and spit. Seriously. There are still a few people they could take out.

[EC]

16. Yes that, and we should have finished the job...

everyone of these cons were there then too...

[ToolTex]

17. Exactly!

n/t

[Beam Me Up]

19. My theory: We way underestimated the opposition and we equally

underestimated what a threat our ideas were to the real structures of power above politics. Some of us foresaw this crisis that is now breaking out all around us and spoke of the need for developing sustainable, alternative culture. These ideas had great merit but were deliberately sabotaged and left unrecognized and unfunded because they inherently counter hegemony and decentralize power and wealth. The fascists truly do hate us for our freedom.

[EC]

20. We should have kept our eye on what history was being taught

in the schools, what traits were being brought out in the kids and gotten rid of a lot more people in the administration before Reagan...

[upi402]

21. well said and thanks for your efforts and foresight

are you advising leaving the USA or staying here

[Beam Me Up]

25. I'm staying.

As I posted to another thread:

I don't think what's coming will be contained within US borders.

It will be global. My estimate, 75 to 90 % of current global population gone within the next 20 to 50 years. I do not intend to survive it. In two to three generations, it will be a whole new world. The tribulations of the 20th and 21st centuries will be 'ancient' history.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2079356&mesg_id=2080587

[slackmaster]

22. I think it was the late '70s where we really lost it

Disco still sucks.

[Wilms]

23. Needed to be said. n/t

[Moochy]

24. My parents fucked in the 60s

that's who is to blame for the Moochy.

[balzac]

26. They're aren't better at crafting the message

They recovered from the initial effect of TV, which was to reveal truth to the masses. They recovered by buying all the TV stations to deceive the masses. It's all about media ownership, not that they have a more compelling message.

It's also noteworthy that they've culled some of our greatest leaders over the years. Abe Lincoln, MLK, the Kennedy brothers, John Lennon. Heck, even FDR was worn down by openly treasonous opposition during WWII. His opposition gave him no quarter and wore him down.

[shanti]

27. right, and now they're working on the net

there's much too much truth to be found here for them to just ignore it and let it....be.

and yes, they always take our leaders. look what happened to the last torchbearer, paul wellstone. i often wonder what our congress would look like now if he was still here.