Help Me Understand

[lostnotforgotten]

Saddam Hussein executed for gassing some hundreds of Kurds.

Bush kills 3,000 US troops (maimed some 20,000 or so) and probably some 600,000 Iraqis.

Is there a disconnect here?

The implications are obvious to me.

[951-Riverside]

1. "They" tend to avoid these topics.

[zonmoy]

2. one is merely a fall guy, a patsy,

the other is the figurehead for an evil cabal.

[cali]

18. LOL

to describe Saddam as merely a fall guy, is so ahistrorical, that I really couldn't let it pass without taking note. Yes, Saddam was backed by American administrations, but sorry, that doesn't begin to explain the man, his climb to power, or his use of power. Much as it may delight you to blame the U.S. for all of Saddam's actions, it's simply not accurate to describe him as merely a fall guy.

[Contrary1]

3. He wasn't executed for the deaths of the Kurds...

He was hanged for executing those suspected of plotting to overthrow the government.

Which leads me to this question...Is plotting to overthrow the US government also punishable by death?

[lostnotforgotten]

5. We Know What The Founding Fathers Thought - The Fundies Are A Different Matter

"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

Snip ....

"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

[illinoisprogressive]

4. that's my question. When does Bush get hanged for war crimes

My family thinks I'm being too hard on Bush. but, I say he's murdered as many if not more than Saddam.

[lostnotforgotten]

6. Which Was The Implied Question - Good For The Goose, Good For The Gander

eom

[illinoisprogressive]

8. I know. And I feel the same

I'm just glad someone else was thinking the same thing.

[Nutmegger]

7. But you see, we're fighting them there so we don't fight them here

thus everything is justifiable.

:puke:

[babylonsister]

9. Try this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x3000327

And Hussein was busted for one of his many crimes; he was not and never will be considered innocent.

[lostnotforgotten]

10. And Bush Should Be Considered Innocent?

eom

[babylonsister]

11. Of course not, nor did I imply that. But Saddam

earned his place in hell, just as I know * will one day.

[HughBeaumont]

12. White, well monied conservative males = THE GOOD GUYS!!!

That would be the disconnect.

And as long as that lame mindset continues, they'll be openly perpetuating crimes against Americans, Arabs, Europeans and Asians for decades to come.

[k_jerome]

13. no difference at all huh? thank goodness our sane...

Democratic leadership do not see the obvious implications.

[helderheid]

14. Don't forget Katrina. n/t

[NashVegas]

15. Can We Retroactively Hang Some Presidents?

You know, for Wounded Knee-type stuff?

[cali]

16. What's wrong with you?

I feel compelled to ask. There's an enormous difference between the deaths of men women and children in a Kurdish town, succumbing to death by poisoned gas, and the deaths of soldiers, all of whom volunteered.

Yes, the war is awful, misbegotten, and more. Yes, each death is a tragic loss for families, whether Iraqi (and frankly the Iraq deaths trouble me more than the deaths of U.S. soldiers) or American, but it is not the same thing as gassing innocent civilians. That's worse, much worse, and it's just sad that that should have to be explained.

[HughBeaumont]

19. It's not a war. It's an aggressive occupation of an innocent country.

It IS the same thing.

Iraq did NOTHING. NOT ONE DAMNED THING to harm or threaten us. This is a cowboy vendetta, fixed from the time the Simian took the United States hostage.

What the hell do you think our military is doing to their innocent civilians over there? THE SAME DAMNED THING SADDAM DID, only they're not doing it with gas, they're doing it with bullets.

Ever hear of the lyric "meet the new boss, same as the old boss"??

:eyes:

[BluePatriot]

17. *nods* Yup, big disconnect (nt)