Bush's "Surge" and a written fight I just had with a neocon -

[northofdenali]

This is the comment that set me off: "I know you lefties are unaware and uneducated, but the vast, and I do mean vast, majority of troops SAY they are in Iraq for the right reasons and that they can prevail."

:mad::rant:

My reply:

I think I'm aware. I live in a military town. I know I'm educated, and quite well. To give you the benefit of the doubt, however, I'd like for you to take the opportunity to provide some type of link, proof, or statistics to back up your opinion that the "vast majority" of our troops believe they are in Iraq for the "right reasons". What "right reasons"? WMD's? Al-Qaeda? Democracy? Oil? Destabilization of the Middle East? :sarcasm:

Our brave troops of the 172nd Stryker Brigade, posted here in Alaska, have recently returned from Iraq. I'm fortunate in that many of these fine soldiers are my friends and neighbors.

NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM believes we can "win" anything at all in Iraq, and NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM thinks "more troops" is a solution. All the friends I've spoken with say this is the opinion of the majority of their Brigade. They've also said that this is no longer a "war"; it is a CIVIL WAR, and nothing the US can do militarily will rectify that. These are all dedicated, highly trained, professional soldiers; I'm proud to call them Alaskans. And I'm certainly more inclined to listen to the men and women who've just returned than to anyone bribed by the Bush administration. I'm more inclined to believe the Strykers, a brigade that's taken so many losses (28 KIA, 7 in the last month) and didn't hide quietly in the Green Zone while deployed.

The last batch of these guys just returned last week, so I think they're pretty up on what's happening. My next-door neighbor, a medic, says he expects the violence will only escalate, and that OUR PRESENCE IN IRAQ is what brought Al-Qaeda there.

The only semi-safe area of Iraq is the Green Zone around Baghdad - and 5 more troops lost their lives there yesterday. Thank whatever God you please that there weren't more. I thank God that the Strykers won't suffer any further losses - yet. For if Bush gets his way, they'll surely be redeployed.

We did not go to Iraq to fight terrorists. They weren't there. Had we committed the same number of our fighting forces to the efforts in Afghanistan, Bin Laden wouldn't be able to continue laughing at the United States and our misguided, delusional President's failed planning, execution, and troop support for his so-called "war".

[aquart]

1. Wow. That jerk is just gonna crawl away.

[bluerum]

8. We can only hope he has that much sense. nt

[HCE SuiGeneris]

2. Great post -- very well written.

:thumbsup: :kick:

[n2doc]

3. Smack! Great response!

They always hide behind the "troops" and their perverted alternate fiction that they have made up for themselves.

Send the jerk this toon:

[northofdenali]

5. 'Toon sent!

:rofl:

[northofdenali]

4. Thanks, all of you -

I'm sure my blood pressure rose a dozen points when I read this from him. This asshole is a major yellow-ribboner who, like most of his ilk, is also a major chickenhawk. He hates the fact that I served (Air Force). The Strykers are mostly well-educated, intelligent troops who serve because they believe in their country - NOT because they believe in the misadministration in Al Gore's White House. Many of them are guys I've sent "care packages" to, and fortunately Ft. Wainwright is very supportive of spouses who remain behind.

But send more into the quagmire? No Fucking Way!

[GardeningGal]

6. Did he reply to your response? n/t

[northofdenali]

9. Not yet, GG -

but then, he doesn't if he can't refute what you write...........

Chickenshit chickenhawk!

[babylonsister]

7. northofdenali-

:yourock:

[northofdenali]

10. Hi sis!

Thanks! :hug:

[YOY]

11. I looooove it when they call us uneducated

It's just so....magically ironic that they consider being "well-informed" involves watching and believing FoxNews.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

12. Right wing propaganda tells them they're well informed while keeping them in the dark

It's their fault, but then again it's also the media that misinforms them.

[YOY]

13. Personally, I blame the myth of a 'liberal media'

Not sure who started that BS...Rush?

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. Not quite an aide to Nixon

in '73

Rush just ran with it

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

18. The myth of the liberal media is just one facet of the disino campaign

Hate radio, faux "news" and Swift boating candidates are all aspects of the propaganda machine that Saint Ronald The Debtor made possible when he killed the Fairness Doctrine.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. Send him enlistment papers

here is a link ot the PDF

http://sumweb.syr.edu/armyrotc/exceldocppt/WP/DD%20004.pdf

[Straight Shooter]

16. Calling someone unaware and uneducated is a false premise for an argument.

It is a petty insult and reflects the character of the speaker.

Having said that, the guy is a bozo. Your rebuttal was great. :thumbsup:

[Jack Rabbit]

17. Bravo, NorthofDenali

From Traveling Images

[Lasher]

19. Hey, where did you find a neocon who's still willing to debate?

I never get any of those broadcast emails any more where Saint Ronnie of Reagan's words echoed around the world, or we would have won the war in Vietnam if we would have only had the courage to keep at it for a few more decades. It was so much fun to pick those messages apart in a 'reply to all' and the subsequent back and forth that often ensued.

But I know some have now blocked my emails. Most don't react to my replies at all, in contrast to the high degree of enthusiasm of a couple of years ago. I used to work for one of them. He now complains if I send him anything at all of a political nature. Up until about a year ago that was all I ever got from him.

Quick, get a picture of this guy if you can. That would be almost as big as getting a photo of an Ivory-Billed Woodpecker.