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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 11:54 PM
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Levin ready to lead Senate Investigation on Iraq War.
First thing Carl and the Armed Services Committee will find is "Bush lied America into war."

Maybe then the Press Corpse will have a field day and actually want to INVESTIGATE the lead-up to war.

DeepModem Mom posted this in LBN:



WP: Incoming Democratic Chairmen Ready to Investigate Bush Adm. Actions in War, Counterterrorism

Incoming Chairmen Ready to Investigate

Democratic-Led Panels to Probe Administration's Actions in War and Counterterrorism


By Charles Babington
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, December 16, 2006; Page A05

Sen. Carl M. Levin (D-Mich.) said he is prepared to issue subpoenas. (By Jamie Rose-Getty Images)
Incoming Democratic committee chairmen say they will hold a series of hearings and investigations early next year to build the case for their call for a phased withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq and for possible action against defense contractors found to have wasted billions in federal funds.

The emerging plans to grill administration officials on the conduct of the war are part of a pledge for more aggressive congressional oversight on issues such as prewar intelligence, prisoner treatment at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay, and the government's use of warrantless wiretaps.

Among the most eager incoming chairmen is Sen. Carl M. Levin (D-Mich.), a lawyer with a professor's demeanor and a prosecutor's doggedness. As head of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Levin, 72, will be his party's point man on the Iraq war and on the Democrats' call to begin withdrawing troops in the coming months.

Levin said he also plans inquiries into "documentation of waste and fraud and abuse in the contracting areas" of the military. Aggressive oversight "is not just a budget issue," he said, but at some point "becomes a significant moral issue." In the House, Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.), another leading advocate of a phased withdrawal, has vowed to use his Appropriations subcommittee chairmanship to investigate the Iraq war, holding "two hearings a day for the first three or four months . . . to find out exactly what happened and who's been responsible for these mistakes."

In committee after committee next month, the gavel will be handed by Bush allies to ardent Democrats deeply frustrated by what they see as the GOP-led Congress's refusal to conduct meaningful oversight and to hold the executive branch accountable....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/15/AR2006121501680.html



The only bad thing I see is it may be a while before Levin gets to "No WMDs," let alone the "Bush warned about 9-11 and did nothing" part.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 11:58 PM
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1. Always here with the important information.
Edited on Sun Dec-17-06 12:00 AM by Cleita
:kick: :loveya:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 12:08 AM
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4. Thanks, Cleita! LuvU2!
Here's the first thing I'd like to see Levin bring up:

Bush Lied America Into War





The War to Deceive America Into War -- And the War to Cover Up the Deception

A BUZZFLASH EDITORIAL


Before America went to war with Afghanistan, another war was underway -- against its own people: the war to deceive America into attacking Iraq. This is no longer a theory or conjecture; it is a documented fact.
Those in the Mainstream Media, including the New York Times and Washington Post, who choose to ignore this reality, or couch it in qualifying terms (such as "unproven assertions") are no longer trying to debunk a conspiracy, because the deliberate deception that forced America into war with Iraq is not a conspiracy theory.

SNIP...

Consider just some of the following established facts regarding the Bush administration's orchestrated propaganda campaign to deceive America into War:
    1) A 2002 (Downing Street) memo is released in Britain in May of 2005 that documents that Blair thought that he had no choice but to go to war because the Bush administration said that it was "going to fix" intelligence to start one.

    2) In early June of 2005, a British paper reveals that the U.S. and U.K. flew sorties over Iraq in 2002 to provoke Saddam Hussein and destroy his anti-aircraft infrastructure in preparation for the war. Congressman John Conyers calls this the smoking bullet in the smoking gun.

    3) All the Bushevik warnings of WMDs are proven false -- all of them. Not a single WMD was found.

    4) Dick Cheney lurked around the CIA prior to the Iraq War putting pressure on analysts to "fix" the data.

    5) The analysts who came up with the false allegations that "aluminum tubes" were being used for nuclear enrichment story were promoted by the Bush Administration and given bonuses.

    6) Richard Clarke says that Bush personally took him aside and told him to make the facts work for a war with Iraq.

    7) Former Secretary of the Treasury O'Neill wrote in his memoirs that Bush was out to get Iraq from the moment he was sworn in.

    8) The PNAC (Project for the New American Century) plea to invade Iraq was written in the late 90s, primarily by Bush Neo-cons who guided us into the war.

    9) The Bush Administration outed Valerie Plame as a CIA operative specializing in -- ironically and tragically -- tracking the illicit sale and movement of Weapons of Mass Destruction because her courageous husband, Joe Wilson, exposed the Niger documents as a fraud. Thus, the Bush Administration put the national security at risk regarding WMDs to seek vengeance on someone for exposing their phony war based on a lie about WMDs.

    10) This past weekend, it was revealed that John Bolton had a U.N. official fired for trying to seek a peaceful way out of the Iraq War, in regards to Iraq's compliance with chemical weapons accords.

    11) After 9/11, Rumsfeld is quoted as saying that the U.S. would take Saddam and all of "them" out.

    12) Advanced forces were sent into Iraq before the war had even started.

    13) Rumsfeld set up a Pentagon psy-ops operation to create PR for going to war with Iraq. (He claimed to have closed it down, but he never did.)

    14) The Chalabi-Judith Miller-Cheney axis of information was used to claim that created "factoids" were truths, when they were just propaganda. (The New York Times "apologized" for this, but made no changes in its coverage, including keeping Miller on and standing up for her, even though she published lies from a proxy Bush Administration anonymous source.)

    15) The Bush Administration, according to various polls, conducted a successful misinformation campaign to make Americans believe that Saddam Hussein was partly responsible for 9/11 and that the hijackers were Iraqi.
    CONTINUED...

    http://www.buzzflash.com/editorial/05/06/edi05050.html



Thank you for your Friendship, Comadre. It means the world to me, Cleita.

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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 12:00 AM
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2. It's about time
The American people want to know why we landed up in Iraq when there was no danger to the U.S. and the profiteers are only global W corporatists. While U.S. troops are paying the price.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 12:29 AM
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7. You said it, Erika. Money for Power and Power for Money...
...It's the Warmonger Way.

Members of the Bush Family Evil Empire always put profit and power before country, let alone people. It’s disgusting, but that’s the way they “work.”



BUSHCO does whatever is needed to make a buck. They’ll climb in bed with fascist dictators, as in Guatemala, Chile, Argentina and El Salvador; they’ll roll in the hay with communist totalitarian states like Red China and the former Soviet Union. Think the Saudi “Roils” believe in democracy?



On the other hand, the Bushes won’t lift a finger to help little poor Cuba, let alone the democratically elected Jean Bertrand Aristide of Haiti. He was twice deposed by that nation’s ruling elite – with the assistance of Bush 41 and 43 state departments. What was Aristide’s crime? He wanted more for the 99-percent of his nation forced to live off of 1-percent of the income and property. Now that’s criminal.

Which brings us back to the point: The BFEE will do whatever to make a buck. Take Prescott Bush Jr., please. Among other people, this Bush family sales rep was in bed with the Red Chinese. How? The United States of America – China Chamber of Commerce (USCCC). Wal-mart and the Tong must thank him, most profusely.



Editorial

Yakusa - Mean Magazine - Date: September 2001


By Craig Stephens

EXCERPT…

Yet not all Yakusa activity is blood and guts streetcrime, with political activity still high on the yak agenda.Fast forward to 1987, Noboru Takeshita was elected prime minister in Japan.

Fuelled by suspicions of his gangster ties in the election, Takeshita was finally questioned on the accusations in 1992, he subsequently denied knowing me that the yakuza were involved, yet the Liberal Democratic Party kingmaker forcibly resigned from politics in October 1992 after he admitted to receiving Y500m (US$4M) from a delivery firm, Sagawa Kyubin.

Hiroyasu Watanabe, the owner of the firm had paid the kingmaker for trying to help save his business. Watanabe admitted to asking Ishii Susumu, the late head of the Inagawa-kai, to silence the group. In another incident closer to home, West Tsusho, a Tokyo-based real estate firm, bought two American companies with help from none other than Prescott Bush, Jr, President Bush's elder brother. What wasn't known at the time was that West Tsusho is an arm of the a company run by the Inagawa-kai's leader, Ishii Susumu.

Tsusho purchased Quantum Access, a Houston-based software firm and Asset Management International Financing & Settlement, a New York City-based company. Bush received a $250,000 finder's fee for Asset Manangement, as was promised another $250,000 per year for three years in consulting fees. Bush was apparently unaware at the time that he was being a middleman for mob activity.

SOURCE:

http://www.craig-stephens.com/doc_yakusa.html



Even Smirko's little brudder Neil gets in on the spirit of the BFEE deal. Below here he's helping sell computer chips to Red China. Gee. Do you think they'll use them for toasters? TVs? Cruise Missiles?



US: Bush's Brother Has Contract to Help Chinese Chip Maker

by Warren Vieth and Lianne Hart, Los Angeles Times
November 27th, 2003

WASHINGTON - Neil Bush, a younger brother of President Bush, has a $400,000-a-year contract to provide business advice to a Chinese computer chip manufacturer, according to court documents.

At the same time the Bush administration is promising to crack down on alleged trade abuses by the Chinese, Neil Bush has agreed to strategize with China's Grace Semiconductor Manufacturing Corp., the documents show.

SNIP…

The China contract is not Neil Bush's first brush with controversy. In the 1980s, he was a director of Silverado Banking, Savings & Loan, a Colorado thrift whose failure cost U.S. taxpayers $1 billion. He was one of 12 defendants who agreed to pay $49 million to settle a negligence lawsuit brought by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.

SNIP…

Grace Semiconductor, based in Shanghai, was founded in 2000 by Winston Wong, the son of Taiwanese business magnate Wang Yung-ching, and Jiang Mianheng, the son of former Chinese President Jiang Zemin. Wong co-signed the contract with Bush.

The company has said its goal is to become a leading manufacturer of integrated circuits and other semiconductor products. It has invested $1.6 billion to build two fabrication plants in Shanghai. Production from the first plant began in September.

CONTINUED…

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=9231



It must be a genetic Aryan thing:



The True Cause of Hitler's Evil: Wall Street Bankers

If one is to believe the (CBS) film, Hitler came to power in Germany with the financial help of some German capitalists. As depicted in the film, it was the enigmatic "Putzi" Hanfstaengl, a German- American, the one who promoted Hitler among the wealthy in Germany. At the end of the film it is mentioned, without further explanation, that eventually Hanfstaengl became disenchanted with the Nazis and moved back to the US, where he became a counselor on Nazi things for president Roosevelt.

What is missing in the picture is that Hanfstaengl, a shady figure who had a strange role in the Reichstag fire --the event which most helped Hitler in his grab for power-- was not only a friend and protegé of Roosevelt, but had strong connections among Wall Street bankers. The best study of the role of Wall Street bankers in financing Hitler's Nazi party is Antony Sutton's Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler, and I am going to borrow most of the information for this section from his book. I suggest readers interested in the subject to buy a copy of professor Sutton's book and read it carefully.

In his book, Sutton provides ample information proving that some American companies associated with Wall Street bankers, mainly the Morgan-Rockefeller investment bankers, were closely linked to the growth of Nazi industry in the late thirties. The main companies participating in this exchange were Ford, General Electric, General Motors, and Dupont, all of them, with the exception of Ford, controlled by Wall Street bankers. Among U.S. millionaires helping the Nazis were the Rockefellers, William Randolph Hearst Sr., Andrew Mellon, Irenee du Pont, Henry Ford and J.P. Morgan, just to name a few of the most conspicuous ones.

It is know that Hitler, who at the end of WWI was living in precarious economic conditions, by the early 1920s suddenly began living like a wealthy man, with plush apartments, mansions, expensive suits, luxury cars, servants and body guards. It is known that some American Wall Street bankers, and the companies they controlled had been pouring money into Hitler's big pockets.

Instrumental in making the connections between American bankers and Nazi leaders were Allen and John Foster Dulles, then corporate lawyers at Sullivan and Cromwell. Another important firm who heavily collaborated with the Nazis was W.A. Harriman & Company. In 1931 Harriman & Company merged with another company and became Brown Brothers, Harriman. One of the senior partners of the new company was Prescott Bush, president W. Bush's grandfather. In 1942 the U.S. government charged Prescott Bush with running Nazi fronts in the U.S. During the investigation, it was found that Prescott Bush's companies had been covertly working for Nazi Germany.

The collaboration of Wall Street and the Nazis did not end when Hitler, like Frankenstein's monster, turned against the ones who had created him. After the U.S. declared war on Germany, the ubiquitous Allen Dulles, now acting as an Office of Strategic Services' senior intelligence officer in Bern, began dealing under the table with the Nazis. Dulles was instrumental in helping to escape and bringing to America many defeated Nazi leaders.

CONTINUED…

http://www.amigospais-guaracabuya.org/oagsg016.php



Details here (Thanks, DrDebug! Thanks, gandalf!):

http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Know_your_BFEE

Original DU Thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4401300

W is for Wastrel.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 01:27 PM
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21. What A Slimeball That Little Twerp Neil Is
Truly an apple and tree situation
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 12:01 AM
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3. Thats my Levin
Its hard to stay mad at the Dems for long when you have both Levin's in your state working for the people.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 12:41 AM
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9. I like how you said that, Az! They both are nearing the apex of their careers...
...in that they will be called on to do their utmost on behalf of the country, the Constitution and We the People. Sander understands what's happened to manufacturing jobs and the destruction of the middle class. Carl understands what the Pentagon is for and it's not to be used for personal aggrandizement. There is so much to do and so little time.



It is my sincerest hope that their staffs are up to the task.

As you know, the Brothers Levin are.

OTOH...
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 12:10 AM
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5. Good approach, I hope someone is appointed to head investigation into Condi Rice with reagrds
to her statement; "no-one believed "they' would fly commercial aircraft into US. buildings. (for openers)
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 12:52 AM
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10. You read my mind, Imagevision. Put the squeeze on Condi and she'll sing like a canary...
Like analyzing national security intelligence, designer prison garb isn't her thing.

Condescenda said she doesn’t remember an emergency briefing on July 10, 2001. She said so recently. And she certainly said so during her testimony before the 9-11 Commission. Yet there’s the White House records saying she was briefed. Liar.



Rice Denies Book's Assertion She Brushed Off CIA Terror Warning

`Incomprehensible,' she says of the idea that she ignored Tenet's anxiety over a strike before 9/11.


By Paul Richter
LA Times Staff Writer
October 3, 2006

State Department officials acknowledged late Monday that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was at a 2001 meeting where she was reportedly warned of the need to act on an impending terrorist threat to the United States.

They said she met with then-CIA Director George J. Tenet on or around July 10. A new book by Bob Woodward says she brushed off Tenet's warning at that session.

SNIP...

"The idea that I would have ignored that, I find incomprehensible," Rice told reporters late Sunday during the flight. "I am quite certain that it was not a meeting in which I was told that there was an impending attack, and refused to respond."

The State Department said Monday that a meeting around the time described by Woodward had in fact taken place, based on government records, but that no new information was given to Rice, who then was President Bush's national security advisor.

In his book, Woodward writes that Tenet and J. Cofer Black, then director of the CIA's counterterrorism center, decided on July 10, 2001, that they had to request a dramatic, "out-of-cycle" meeting with Rice to describe their anxiety over the chance of an attack against American interests, possibly within the United States.

CONTINUED…

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/la-na-book3oct03,1,531509.story?coll=la-news-politics-national&track=crosspromo





Gee. Let’s put that in perspective, please Mr. Scheer?



Rice More Sordid Than Foley

by Robert Scheer
Published on Wednesday, October 4, 2006 by Truthdig.com

They are such liars. And no, I am not speaking only of the dissembling GOP House leaders led by Speaker Dennis Hastert who, out of naked political calculation, covered up for one of their own in the sordid teen stalking case of Rep. Mark Foley.

Call me old school, but I am still more concerned with the Republicans molesting Lady Liberty while pretending to be guarding the nation’s security, an assignment which they have totally botched. The news about the Foley coverup, while important as yet another example of extreme hypocrisy on the part of the Republican virtues police, should not be allowed to obscure the latest evidence of administration deceit as to its egregious ineptness in protecting the nation.

On Monday, a State Department spokesman conceded that then-National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice had indeed been briefed in July 2001 by George Tenet, then-director of the CIA, about the alarming potential for an Al Qaeda attack, as Bob Woodward has reported in his aptly named new book, “State of Denial.”

“I don’t remember a so-called emergency meeting,” Rice had said only hours earlier, apparently still suffering from some sort of post-9/11 amnesia that seemed to afflict her during her forced testimony to the 9/11 Commission. The omission of this meeting from the final commission report is another example of how the Bush administration undermined the bipartisan investigation that the president had tried to prevent. Surely lying under oath in what was arguably the most important official investigation in the nation’s history should be treated more seriously than the evasiveness in the Paula Jones case that got President Bill Clinton impeached. Nor is it just Rice who should be challenged, for Tenet seems to have provided Woodward with details concerning the administration’s indifference to the terrorist threat that he did not share with the 9/11 Commission.

SNIP…

Such weaseling would be funny if the topic were not so serious. But there is no way Rice can squirm out of this one, despite her impressive track record of calculated distortion on everything from Iraq’s nonexistent WMDs to the trumped-up ties between Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. Can there be any better case for turning over control of at least one branch of Congress to the opposition party so that we might finally have hearings to learn the truth of this matter, which is far more important, and sordid, than the Foley affair?

SOURCE:

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1004-33.htm



After he was briefed, Ashcroft stopped flying commercial and instead took government charters back home to Missouri for some fishin'. He didn't bother to warn the rest of the American flying public.



In brushing off the briefers, she had the nerve to ask them to go see Ashcan and Rumsferatu. Ashcan said he never got a briefing, but wished he had. It certainly explains why he stopped flying commercial in July 2001. Liar.



Rumsfeld, Ashcroft received warning of al Qaida attack before 9/11

By JONATHAN S. LANDAY, WARREN P. STROBEL and JOHN WALCOTT
McClatchy Newspapers
Posted on Mon, Oct. 02, 2006email thisprint this

WASHINGTON - Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and former Attorney General John Ashcroft received the same CIA briefing about an imminent al-Qaida strike on an American target that was given to the White House two months before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

The State Department's disclosure Monday that the pair was briefed within a week after then-National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice was told about the threat on July 10, 2001, raised new questions about what the Bush administration did in response, and about why so many officials have claimed they never received or don't remember the warning.

One official who helped to prepare the briefing, which included a PowerPoint presentation, described it as a "10 on a scale of 1 to 10" that "connected the dots" in earlier intelligence reports to present a stark warning that al-Qaida, which had already killed Americans in Yemen, Saudi Arabia and East Africa, was poised to strike again.

SNIP…

Clarke told McClatchy Newspapers that Rice focused in particular on the possible threat to President Bush at an upcoming summit meeting in Genoa, Italy, and promised to quickly schedule a high-level White House meeting on al-Qaida. That meeting took place on September 4, 2001.

CONTINUED…

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/news/nation/15662785.htm





Bush said, before it became public knowledge, that he never heard nothing about no Osama. Yet, we discovered in March 2003, that was false.



Decoding The PDB

Larry C. Johnson is a member of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity. He served with the CIA from 1985 through 1989 and worked in the State Department's office of Counter Terrorism from 1989 through 1993. He also is a registered Republican who contributed financially to the Bush Campaign in 2000.

Are George W. Bush and Condoleezza Rice really as clueless as they are claiming to be? Bush and Rice are both on the record misstating what was in the 6 August 2001 PDB (Presidential Daily Briefing). They both insist the information was only “historical” and “not actionable.” They apparently are not alone in their faux ignorance. Republican partisans and even some members of the media are busy bolstering the spin that this was “an historical memo.” Absolute nonsense!

I wrote about 40 PDB’s during my four-year tenure at the CIA. This particular PDB article was written in response to a presidential request. I am told that Bush’s request was a reaction to the intelligence warnings he was hearing during the daily CIA morning briefings. Something caught his attention and awakened his curiosity. He reportedly asked the CIA to come back with its assessment of Bin Laden’s intentions. The CIA answered the question –Bin Laden was targeting the United States.

The PDB article released Saturday is a classic CIA response to such a request. It lays out the historical and evidentiary antecedents that undergird the analyst’s belief about the nature of the threat and provides current intelligence indicators that reinforce the basic conclusion of the piece—i.e., Bin Laden was determined to attack the United States. It is true that the piece did not contain specific details about the plot that was launched subsequently on 9/11. However, the details that are included in the piece are so alarming that anyone familiar with the nature of Bin Laden and Al Qaeda should have asked, “What are they planning and what can we do to stop it?”

CONTINUED...

Published: Apr 12 2004

http://www.tompaine.com/Archive/scontent/10224.html



And now we’re discovering the CIA felt they weren’t getting anywhere. So they went to see Bush, on vacation for the month of August in Crawford.

The smirking turd from Crawford was briefed on his pig farm on Aug. 6, 2001. George W Bush even had the nerve to tell the briefer: “All right. You’ve covered your ass, now.” Liar.



Ron Suskind, George W. Bush and the Aug. 6, 2001, PDB

Ron Suskind's "The One Percent Doctrine" is out this week, and the Washington Post's Barton Gellman says it's full of "jaw-dropping stories" about the Bush administration's war on terror.

Or lack thereof.

We've known for years now that George W. Bush received a presidential daily briefing on Aug. 6, 2001, in which he was warned: "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S." We've known for almost as long that Bush went fishing afterward.

What we didn't know is what happened in between the briefing and the fishing, and now Suskind is here to tell us. Bush listened to the briefing, Suskind says, then told the CIA briefer: "All right. You've covered your ass, now."

-- Tim Grieve

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2006/06/20/911pd...



All of them deny getting briefed about Osama bin Laden determined to strike in the U.S. Doesn’t that seem odd? The records show they, also, were briefed. There’s even a nice power point presentation to connect the dots to airplanes and buildings. I’m sure it’s classified. Yet, they all continue to assert they didn’t know anything about OBL’s plans.

So, America, how much more proof do you need?

Like a broken record, I am wont to say the BFEE fears one thing more than anything else—the truth.

Why? The truth shows them to be the treasonous, warmongering, mass-murdering, gangsters they are.

Every so often, history provides us with the occasion to make it. Which is another way of saying change it from happening, or keep something from happening the way Bush wants.

The Bush Transnational Crime Family wants America to think they are powerless. That DIEBOLD will count their votes wrong. That their votes don’t matter. That one party is the same as another.

They aren’t. It does. They do. They aren’t.

That’s what we’re about, DU. We can do something about it.

Let’s go get these Bush bastards! We got the Truth. It's what America's waiting for.

Original DU Thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2401056

Thanks for understanding, Imagevision. Thanks also for giving a damn.
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 12:13 AM
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6. Let 'em roll, but....
Edited on Sun Dec-17-06 12:16 AM by bobbiejo
Isn't it frightening that most people KNOW this man lied us into war, and seem to give him a pass? I mean the evidence has been published and debated to the nth degree.

I'm sure BushCo has been prepared for such investigations for quite some time. I hope the Dems have been keeping copious notes, and are equally prepared to expose their lies for the record.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 01:25 AM
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11. Agree. Not enough people aren't getting the message, though.
More people would be enraged if they knew what Bush and his cronies have done.

There also are many people who give a him a pass because so many others seem to give him a pass.

And that's because most people these days get their news and information about the government from the TV.

And that's pretty much one perspective -- the government's, as in BushCo.

Once the American people discover the true depth of the corruption – the actual degrading treachery and treason perpetrated by Bush and his cronies – there will be hell to pay.

Who knows? Perhaps it will lead to the destruction of their fascist ilk.

What I mean, from the Waybac Machine:

Know your BFEE: Nazis couldn’t win WWII, so they backed Bushes.

Mexicans aren’t America’s immigration problem. NAZIs are.

And that taboo forms the evil heart of our nation’s secret government—the fact Nazis helped form the modern national security state. This fundamental secret has been kept from America’s people for nearly 60 years. Isn't it about time you (not you, DU) learned the Truth?

America has been influenced by Nazis, Nazi sympathizers and worse since the CIA allowed enabled them to escape justice after World War II.





CIA-Nazi Link Grows Clearer as More Documents Come to Light

Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann stands trial in Jerusalem in 1961. Apparently, the CIA knew of his whereabouts as early as 1958.

Ron Kampeas
Jewish Telegraphic Agency
WASHINGTON

A former Nazi rose to the highest ranks of a Western intelligence agency - and was a Soviet mole. A lead to Adolf Eichmann was ignored. A spy whose pathological lies made him useless, but who still escaped prosecution for war crimes.

These are among the revelations found among some 8 million pages of documents released here Tuesday that deal with German and Japanese war crimes, including 27,000 pages that detail the relationship after World War II between U.S. government agencies and suspected Nazis war criminals.

The message threading the documents was clear: The price one pays for consorting with evil men far outweighs the return.

"Using very bad people can have very bad consequences," Elizabeth Holtzman, a former U.S. congresswoman and a member of the Interagency Working Group that released the documents, said at a news conference last Tuesday at the National Archives. The group was established in 1999 to declassify rooms full of documents related to Nazi war crimes.

The mandate was later extended to Japanese war crimes.

CONTINUED…

http://www.jewishexponent.com/ViewArticle.asp?ArtID=361...




This guy helped murder MILLIONS and people in the CIA helped him escape justice:



Read more from the records just released from the CIA’s files to theNational Archives.

This big declassification of America’s darkest secret—CIA files kept hidden for 60 years—chronicle the CIA’s dependence on the NAZI war criminals, enlisted to fight Godless Communism. Gee. We became Satan’s bedfellows to fight the commies.

Please consider: The Nazis knew what awaited them at the hands of the Soviets. So, they cooked up plans to surrender to the United States. If they promised to help in the fight against the Soviets, they knew they would be welcomed by the West, find shelter and sooner rather than later, and in direct contradiction to the orders of President Harry S Truman, the Nazis would be welcomed in the West, or at least in High Society, as “ex-Nazis.”



The CIA's History Problem is Our History Problem

By David Wallace
Fri Jun 16, 9:22 PM ET

The author David Lowenthal once noted that the "past is a foreign country." The past might be better described as being more like a moving target - always in transition and susceptible (and vulnerable) to becoming unrecognizable to what we once believed. And more often than not new revelations are disorientating and troubling.

EXCERPT…

Such is the case with recent news accounts in the Washington Post and the New York Times that in the late 1950s the CIA knew that Adolf Eichmann was living in Argentina and had a pretty close pseudonym for him (Clemens instead of the actual alias of Klement), but did nothing to bring him to justice. That the CIA sought the cooperation and protection of Nazis, even those guilty of war crimes, after World War Two to serve its Cold War struggles is not news. But the extent of these relationships and the depths the CIA went through to protect them is news. These disclosures have been made possible through the ongoing efforts of the Nazi War Crimes and Japanese Imperial Government Records Interagency Working Group (IWG), launched over eight years ago by the Nazi War Crimes Disclosure Act (Public Law 105-246). The key that unlocked this unsavory history has been the unparalleled access granted to the IWG into formerly secret government records and archives.

Concern over these disclosures extend beyond the sad facts surfaced by the IWG: such as official protection of Nazis residing in the United States and the CIA's post-war use of top Eichmann aides. They also include the entirely unconscionable fact that it has taken generations for the CIA to disclose this information, and only did so after a special act of Congress supplemented by years long battles to protect them from public knowledge. IWG member Thomas H. Baer pointed to such battles when he thanked the CIA for finally coming clean this past week. However, coming clean occurred only after "reversal of policy of thinly veiled noncompliance" with the IWG's legal mandate and the ongoing efforts of members of Congress and (some) IWG members and staff in making an "ironclad case decrying CIAs misinterpretation of its obligations."

Why has the CIA taken so long to open such records and archives? And do the excuses proffered around protecting national security really hold any credible value? I think the answer to the second question must be no, of course not. As to the first question, that is a trickier one, but one must look beyond the legal loopholes that protect secret information for such inordinate periods and look to see what agendas are at play. Clearly one agenda is to provide a simplistic and comforting (and at times woefully inaccurate) past as a means of enabling an ignorant, but strongly held, patriotism as a form of social glue that (kind of) holds society together. But a simplistic and comforting and inaccurate past can only be realized through the unreasonable, though legal, controls granted to the CIA over its historical records and archives. And it is in these seemingly rationally derived controls that the past itself can be held hostage.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20060617/cm_huffpost/023206



A good overview of the historical record from the Federation of American Scientists shows the CIA protected Adolf Eichmann by not revealing where he was to Allied investigators searching for war criminals and mass murderers. For those unfamiliar with Eichmann, he was one of the architects of the Holocaust, playing a major role in the deaths of millions of people.

Allowing Eichmann to escape justice and head to a safe haven in Bolivia was in direct contradiction to President Harry S Truman’s orders that no amnesty would be given to NAZI war criminals. Later on, our spies wouild not just be pals with NAZIs, our spies work for them. For proof, look around.



What’s worse. A bunch of the NAZIs were Commie spies. We were shafted, to put it mildly, by the same Satan.

Former longtime CIA director of counterintelligence James Jesus Angleton told author Joseph Trento his greatest regret in his job was not giving lie-detector tests to "Allen Dulles and 60 of his closest friends." He said he thought more than a few were traitors and expected to see them all in hell one day.



Within the confines of (Angleton’s) remarkable life were most of America’s secrets. “You know how I got to be in charge of counterintelligence? I agreed not to polygraph or require detailed background checks on Allen Dulles and 60 of his closest friends... They were afraid that their own business dealings with Hitler’s pals would come out. They were too arrogant to believe that the Russians would discover it all. . . . You know, the CIA got tens of thousands of brave people killed. . . We played with lives as if we owned them. We gave false hope. We - I - so misjudged what happened."

CONTINUED...

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/SSangleton.htm



Writers like Mae Brussell, Christopher Simpson, Martin Lee, Linda Hunt, Carla Binion and Robert Parry and all people who are familiar with Operation PAPERCLIP have known this for decades, but most Americans are just beginning to learn about the close relationship between post-World War II United States Government and the Third Reich.

Principal among these agencies was the newborn CIA. Here’s what the agency and your government did to help war criminals, murderers of Americans and the architects of the Holocaust escape Justice, according to this month’s release of official CIA documents that had been kept classified for 60 years:


-- Christian Dewar, Making a Killing

Just before his death, James Jesus Angleton, the legendary chief of counterintelligence at the Central Intelligence Agency, was a bitter man. He felt betrayed by the people he had worked for all his life. In the end, he had come to realize that they were never really interested in American ideals of "freedom" and "democracy." They really only wanted "absolute power."

Angleton told author Joseph Trento that the reason he had gotten the counterintelligence job in the first place was by agreeing not to submit "sixty of Allen Dulles' closest friends" to a polygraph test concerning their business deals with the Nazis. In his end-of-life despair, Angleton assumed that he would see all his old companions again "in hell."

-- Michael Hasty, Paranoid Shift

EXCERPT…

Allen Welsh Dulles was born to privilege and a tradition of public service. He was the grandson of one secretary of state and the nephew of another. But by the time he graduated from Princeton in 1914, the robber baron era of American history was coming to an an end, ushered out by the Sherman Anti-Trust Act -- which had been used in 1911 to break up Standard Oil -- and by the institution of the progressive income tax in 1913. The ruling elite was starting to view government less as their own private preserve and more as an unwanted intrusion on their ability to conduct business as usual. That shift of loyalties in itself may account for many of the paradoxical aspects of Dulles's career.

Dulles entered the diplomatic service after college and served as a State Department delegate to the Paris Peace Conference of 1919, which brought a formal end to World War I. The Versailles Treaty which came out of this conference included a provision making it illegal to sell arms to Germany. This displeased the powerful DuPont family, and they put pressure on the delegates to allow them to opt out. It was Allen Dulles who finally gave them the assurances they wanted that their transactions with Germany would be "winked at."

Dulles remained a diplomat through the early 1920's, spending part of that time in Berlin. However, he left government service in 1926 for the greener pastures of private business, becoming a Wall Street lawyer with the same firm as his older brother, John Foster Dulles.

By the middle 20's, Germany had started recovering from the effects of the war and its postwar economic collapse, and the great German industrial firms were looking like attractive investment opportunities for wealthy Americans. W.A. Harriman & Co., formed in 1919 by Averell Harriman (son of railroad baron E.H. Hariman) and George Herbert Walker, had led the way in directing American money to German companies and had opened a Berlin branch as early as 1922, when Germany was still in chaos. At that time, Averell Harriman traveled to Europe and made contact with the powerful Thyssen family of steel magnates. It was to be a long-lasting and fateful partnership.

CONTINUED…

http://www.enter.net/~torve/trogholm/secret/rightroots/dulles.html



These are the ties that bind. They go from Allen Dulle’s business ties to Prescott Bush and on through later to his CIA ties to George Herbert Walker Bush and from there to the Smirkelgrüber.



By extension, these records also show the fundamental secret of our nation’s government is the close alliance formed between the Nazis of World War 2 days and their partners in the CIA and other U.S. and Western intelligence agencies today still form the core of the nation’s clandestine national security apparatus.

So. The Nazis couldn’t beat the United States and the Allies in World War II. They surrendered to the USA and promised to work for us. Instead, they influenced, if not took over, key offices of the national security state.

Today, we see the fruits of their labor: The United States makes war on an innocent country for power and profit. The Constitution of the United States is trampled and redacted. And for most of the people of the United States, they haven’t got a clue.

Please tell me, who really won World War ?

The fact is: No one has done more to destroy America—the country, the Constitution, the We the People—than George W. Bush. Certainly not the Commies, in the form of the bloated and evil Soviet and Red Chinese threats and not even the Nazis of World War II with all their evil, have come anywhere near close to conquering the red, white and blue.

And George W Bush is the personification of the convergence of Post World War II Pro War Forces, from Wall Street to Reichstagfeuer to Cold War to BCCI to 911. And while Bush may be the incarnation of all things treasonous, he is just the visible face of the monster.

Original DU Thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1547206

Thanks for knowing what it's all about, bobbiejo.

OTOH...

W "thinks" he's a WAR PRESNIT

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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 02:44 AM
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13. I'm still reading...
and absorbing the depth of this deception. I'm afraid you've answered my question, as it strikes at the very core of our beliefs....In fact, it's almost beyond belief, and it appears this is how it's allowed to continue.

Thank you for opening yet another door to my understanding.

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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 12:33 AM
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8. We got your back Carl!
:patriot:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 10:55 AM
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16. Karl knows: Iraq is a War about 'Nothing'
Levin and all good members of the Senate and House of Represenatives are going to need the public like never before over the coming months.

The reason is that any fair investigation will reveal the truth about the war all good DUers warned the Hill and everybody who'd listen about, way back in 2003:





Iraq: a War About Nothing

by Marie Cocco
Published on Sunday, August 27, 2006 by the Boulder Daily Camera (Colorado)

WASHINGTON — "Nothing." Rarely does a single word convey so much, and explain so little.

The word leaped from President Bush's lips, dismissive and defiant, as though the questioner should have known better, and perhaps should not have asked. Bush at his Monday news conference made his customary recitation of all the new and supposedly improved reasons why he went to war against Saddam Hussein in Iraq, concluding that "the terrorists attacked us and killed 3,000 of our citizens before we started the freedom agenda in the Middle East."

Then the question came — bold and, frankly, beautiful. "What did Iraq have to do with that?" The president replied: "What did Iraq have to do with what?" Well, with the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

"Nothing," was Bush's reply. Except that in his mind, the "lesson of Sept. 11" is linked to resentment and hopelessness that roil the hearts and minds of the people of the Middle East, nurturing suicide bombers.

And so because of this, Bush said, he invaded Iraq.

CONTINUED...

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0827-23.htm




Bush told a Gold Star Widow there was "nothing" to talk about:



War Widow To Bush: "You're Here To Serve The People. And The People Are Not Being Served With This War."

By Greg Sargent | bio

I just got off the phone with Hildi Halley, a woman from Maine whose husband is a fallen soldier. Yesterday President Bush met with her privately, and news of their meeting was reported in a local Maine paper, the Kennebec Journal. The paper shared few details of the meeting, saying simply that Halley objected to Bush's policies and that she said Bush responded that there was no point in them having a "philosophical discussion about the pros and cons of the war."

SNIP...

Halley, who's also been politically active for Democrats, said she told GOP Senator Olympia Snowe that she'd like a phone call from Bush. Subsequently Halley got a call from White House staffers looking to set up a private meeting. Bush came yesterday.

Halley tells me that she told the President that she's been opposed since "day one" to both the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"I talked to him about how important this person was to me," Halley recounted, speaking of her husband. "It's not just a soldier who died. Lives are changed forever...I said, `This doesn't make sense to me.'"

"He said, `Terrorists killed three thousand people, we had to go to war.'" Halley continued to me. "I said, `Well, who put the Taliban into power? The United States did.' He said, `I'm not going to have a philosphical debate over politics.' The whole conversation was very gentle."

CONTINUED...

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/aug/25/war_widow_to_bush_youre_here_to_serve_the_people_and_the_people_are_not_being_served_with_this_war



Gee. That tells me there's "nothing" between Bush's ears.



Bush's Disdainful Presidency

By Robert Parry
August 26, 2006

The U.S. news media always makes light of George W. Bush’s tendency to put down others through disparaging comments about their personal appearances or by assigning them silly nicknames. It’s just the “inner frat boy” coming out, we’re told.

So, when U.S. News cited “a top insider” describing how Bush likes to fart in the presence of junior White House staffers as a joke on them, the item was given the boys-will-be-boys title: “Animal House in the West Wing.”

According to U.S. News, Bush was just “a funny, earthy guy who, for example, can’t get enough of fart jokes. He’s also known to cut a few for laughs, especially when greeting new young aides.” Bush was described, too, as someone who “loves to cuss gets a jolly when a mountain biker wipes out trying to keep up with him.”

But Bush’s behavior could be viewed in a less sympathetic light. Given his famous thin skin whenever he feels slighted, his eagerness to demean others could be interpreted as a sign of his dynastic authority, a modern-day droit du seigneur in which he can humiliate others but they can’t return the favor.

CONTINUED...

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/082606.html



No wonder we're pissed on DU. After discovering the above, the rest of America who don't know about the truth regarding the Iraq war will be very, very, very pissed.

Even the remaining pissant followers of the pipsqueak cheerleader will be pissed...
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 02:13 AM
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12. Bad News for Bush Co KR
Levin is very intelligent and persistent. They're not going to scare him and he's got a little pay back on his mind, don't you think?

:evilgrin:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 11:09 AM
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18. Don't 'Nuclear Nonproliferation" issues come under his purview, like what Plame worked on?
Payback is sweet. Remember James Brown's song by the same name?


The Payback

Hey! Gotta gotta pay back!! (The big payback)
Revenge!! I'm mad (the big payback)
Got to get back! Need some get back!! Pay Back! (the big payback)
That's it!! Payback!!! Revenge!!!
I'm mad!!

Get down with my girlfriend, That ain't right!!
Hollarin' cussin', you wanna fight
Payback is a thing you gotta see
Brother do any damn thing to me

Sold me out, for chicken change (yes you did!!)
Told me that they, they had it all arranged
You had me down, and thats a fact
Now you punk, You gotta get ready
For the big payback!! (the big payback!!)
That's where I am, the big payback (the big payback!!)

I can do wheelin', I can do dealin' (yes you can!!)
But I don't do no damn squealin'
I can dig rappin', I'm ready!! I can dig scrappin'
But I can't dig that backstabbin' (Oh No!!)

The brother get ready!! Thats a fact!!
Get ready you Mother, for the big payback (The big Payback!!)
Let me hit 'em hit'em!! Hey Hey!! WOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Took my money, you got my honey
Don't want me to see what you doing to me
I got to get back I gotta deal with you!! (4xs) Hey let me tell ya!!
Get down with my woman, that ain't right!
You hollarin' and cussin', you wanna fight!!
Don't do me no darn favor,
I don't know karate, but I know KA-RAZor!!!! (yes we do!!)

Get ready thats a fact,
Get ready you Mother for the big payback (the big payback!)
Hey!! I'm a man! I'm a man!
I'm a son of a man, but don't they tell ya then pappa can
Get ready for the big payback (the big payback!!) Hit 'em again!!
Get ready I need it, I need a hit again!!

Say it once. Hit 'emagain!!(the big payback!!)
Hit 'emagain!!(the big payback!!)
Hit 'emagain!!(the big payback!!)
-- By James Brown, courtesy of the James Brown Songbook



Levin sees these gangsters for what they are. If we all help him get the message out to the American people, we could do some serious damage to their entire crypto fascist empire. Wouldn't that be sweet?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 02:55 PM
Response to Reply #18
22. Oh lard, you made my day.
Now I remember it...classic. Damn, that guy is a genius, period.


Sold me out, for chicken change (yes you did!!)
Told me that they, they had it all arranged
You had me down, and thats a fact
Now you punk, You gotta get ready
For the big payback!! (the big payback!!)
That's where I am, the big payback (the big payback!!)


THANKS :hi:
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 07:51 AM
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14. Wow! Something to read while waiting for impeachment in 2007!
Thank you for the huge volume of work. I'll print and read!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 11:20 AM
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19. Here's something: Cheney & Halliburton Sold Iran Nuke Technology
The BFEE Offshore





In these days when George W Bush contemplates attacking the nation of Iran, a story that we should remember:

Halliburton Sold Iranian Oil Company Key Nuclear Reactor Components, Sources Say

August 05, 2005
By: Jason Leopold
Independent Media TV

Scandal-plagued Halliburton -- the oil services company once headed by Vice President Cheney -- sold an Iranian oil development company key components for a nuclear reactor, say Halliburton sources with intimate knowledge into both companies' business dealings.

Halliburton was secretly working at the time with one of Iran 's top nuclear program officials on natural gas related projects and sold the components in April to the official's oil development company, the sources said.

SNIP…

Now comes word that Halliburton, which has a long history of flouting U.S. law by conducting business with countries the Bush administration said has ties to terrorism, was working with Cyrus Nasseri, vice chairman of the board of directors of Oriental Oil Kish, one of Iran's largest private oil companies, on oil and natural gas development projects in Tehran. Nasseri is also a key member of Iran's nuclear development team and has been negotiating Iran 's nuclear development issues with the European Union and at the International Atomic Energy Agency.

SNIP…

Nasseri was interrogated by Iranian authorities in late July for allegedly providing Halliburton with Iran 's nuclear secrets and accepting as much as $1 million in bribes from Halliburton, Iranian government officials said. During the first round of interrogations in the judiciary, a huge network of oil mafia has been exposed, according to the IPS report.

CONTINUED…

http://worldnewstrust.org/modules/AMS/article.php?storyid=919





“Dick” by Jeff Faerber

How can we forget the “where” of it all?



Companies, People, Ideas

Trading With The Enemy


Matthew Swibel
Forbes 04.19.04

If you want to get round export controls, just sell the product to a front company in Dubai. The middlemen will take it from there.

On paper the shipment was harmless enough. Sixty-six American-made spark gaps--high-speed electrical switches used in medical devices to break up kidney stones--traveled from the manufacturer in Salem, Massachusetts late last summer to a buyer in Secaucus, New Jersey. From there, according to the export declaration, they were to be shipped to their ultimate destination in Cape Town, South Africa. But these spark gaps can also be used to detonate nuclear bombs--and it turned out that the goods were aimed at an end user in Pakistan, with a stopover in Dubai. The commercial capital of the United Arab Emirates, where trading activity accounts for the biggest single chunk (16.5%) of a $20 billion economy, has become a favorite diversion point on the Persian Gulf for shady cargo. With no export controls and hardly any bureaucracy at ports, airports and free zones, this entrepôt provides stellar cover for smugglers hoping to bypass U.S. embargoes.

SNIP…

The open secret is that Dubai buys far more than it keeps. More than a quarter of its $23 billion in annual nonoil imports are reexported, and Iran gets the biggest share. Interviews with private businesspeople and U.S. officials, along with court documents, reveal a simple scheme. Companies located around the world sell goods--from cigarettes to medical devices and PCs--to buyers in the U.A.E. Dubai traders repackage the items and send them along by air or ship to agents in, say, Tehran, Pyongyang, Damascus or Islamabad.

SNIP…

Nevertheless, FORBES has obtained documents showing how Kala Ltd., the British arm of the National Iranian Oil Co., solicited at least 17 separate bids from the affiliate during 1997 and 1998 (when Vice President Cheney was Halliburton's chief executive). A few bids include handwritten notes that say "FOB Dubai Airport" or "FOB Dubai port"--meaning that the U.A.E. was just a way station between Halliburton and Tehran. Halliburton would not comment on the bids. In any event, earlier this year the Treasury Department reopened a 2001 inquiry into Halliburton's Iran operations and its Dubai-based partner.

CONTINUED…

http://www.forbes.com/global/2004/0419/041_print.html



Everybody loves Iran. Even Henry Kissinger and Associates.



The back story...



From Kissinger's "Platform State" to the Plutonium Club

How the US Supplied Iran with Nuclear Know-How


By Saul Landau
Counterpunch Weekend Edition September 9 / 11, 2005

EXCERPT…

Such stories provoke the question: how could Iran have obtained nuclear capabilities? Surely, those irresponsible former Soviet scientists must have sold them the technology, a colleague guessed. "Those people would sell anything after the fall of the Soviet Union."

Not quite! It was US policy, not anti-American Moslem fanaticism that led Iran directly into the nuclear age. In the late 1960s, Iran stood out as a model ally of the United States. After all, the ruling Shah owed the CIA after the Agency's operatives ousted elected Premier Mossadegh's government in 1953. CIA action followed Mossadegh's declaration that he would nationalize foreign oil holdings. The Shah understood loyalty to those who reinstalled his "royal family" to dictatorial power.

His servility won him nuclear access. "The US and her allies were in fact the driving force behind the birth of Iran's nuclear program in the late 1960s and early 1970s" (Mohammad Sahimi, Iran's Nuclear Program. Part I: Its History October 2003). By 1974, the Shah, after consulting with Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, boasted that nuclear power plants in Iran would soon produce more than 20,000 megawatts of energy.

In the mid-1970s, led by Kissinger who saw in Iran a "platform state" to fight communism in the region, Washington proposed that The Shah expand his nuclear capacity by acquiring as many as twenty three nuclear reactors. According to Mohammad Sahimi, the work on the reactors began in 1974 with the help of MIT engineers who contracted to train Iranian nuclear technicians.

Sahimi cites a speech by Sydney Sober, a State Department official who in October 1977, "declared that the Shah's government was going to purchase eight nuclear reactors from the US for generating electricity. On July 10, 1978, only seven months before the victory of the Islamic Revolution in Iran, the final draft of the US-Iran Nuclear Energy Agreement was signed. The agreement was supposed to facilitate cooperation in the field of nuclear energy and to govern the export and transfer of equipment and material to Iran's nuclear energy program. Iran was also to receive American technology and help in searching for uranium deposits."

Why, asked critics, should a nation with huge oil and gas reserves invest in nuclear technology? Why not? Both General Electric and Westinghouse sold Iran reactors. These manufacturers of nuclear energy plants for the third world and their media acolytes regaled The Shah for his "westernizing policies," his far-sightedness in seeing beyond the age of oil.

CONTINUED…

http://www.counterpunch.org/landau09092005.html



Gee. Few people love oil more than Henry Kissinger.



Here’s a guy who probably wishes he’d never heard of the stuff…



CYRUS NASSERI ARRESTED

Iranian Press Service
Posted Friday, July 29, 2005

PARIS, 29 July (IPS) Cyrus Nasseri, one of the senior Iranian negotiators with both the European Union’s so called “Big 3” and the Vienna-based International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) has been arrested.

Both “Baaztab” news service that belongs to Mr. Mohsen Reza’i, a former Commandeer of the Revolutionary Guards and the present secretary of the Expediency Council and the independent “Roshangari” said Mr. Nasseri has been arrested by the Judiciary investigating the consortium made of Oriental Kish and Halliburton -- which has US Vice President Dick Cheney as the Chairman of its Board of Directors -- awarded for the exploitation of phases 9 and 10 of the huge South Pars gas and oil field in the Persian Gulf.

The information is so far not confirmed by the Iranian authorities and neither sites say when Mr. Nasseri, a carrier diplomat, had been arrested and the mobile telephone of Mr. Nasseri, an outspoken negotiator, was not responding on 29 July.

According to Baztab, the phases 9 and 10 should yield 50 billions of natural gas and 400 tons of sulfides by the next Iranian year of 1385 for a cost of 282 millions US Dollars.

SNIP…

Kish Oriental-Halliburton won the contract last year.

CONTINUED…

http://www.iran-press-service.com/ips/articles-2005/july-2005/nasseri-arrested-29705.shtml



So that's what happens to friends of Sneer and Smirk...

The Bush Family Evil Empire: Money. Oil. Power. Gangsterism. Fascism. Terror. War.



Original DU Thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=928662


Also most important: You're welcome, puebloknot. Thank you for your kind words. Readers are leaders, as we know...
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 08:40 AM
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15. Damn dude
You deserve a Pulitzer for this stuff Octafish!
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 09:32 PM
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30. no shit!
I want Octafish to be the one sitting behind the Senator when he starts asking the slippery questions. Passing notes of importance... laptop at the ready.

Do you have your own site, Octafish? Cause, you know this stuff should be archived... hopefully you've got a journal i can bookmark.

Peace out, have an excellent holiday season alll...



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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 11:02 AM
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17. but he will mess up georgie's plan
BUSH'S PLAN FOR PEACE IS THE PEACE OF THE COMMON GRAVE

EVERY DEATH CREATES NEW ENEMIES

MORE TERRORISTS

MORE DANGER

MORE DEATH

AND REMEMBER...

HE IS JUST GETTING STARTED...

BUSH'S PLAN FOR PEACE

IS THE PEACE OF THE COMMON GRAVE


http://www.bushflash.com/pax.html WATCH THIS VIDEO




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxFRFIssQDc

Enveloped in a sentiment,
A sound that rushes over me.
Engage an impulse to pretend
I have a faith as pure.
Not forgetting what it means to dream.
Indulging everything.
Entertaining thoughts that I've the strength
Of those I yearn to be.
Cheers and tribute greet the saviours.
Reckless thoughts survive.
Anachronistic and impulsive.

And what will happen?
Will I dream?
I am too scared to close my eyes.
For a second please hold me.
None can change in me these things that I believe.
But I don't know what happens now.
I am too scared to close my eyes.

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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 01:17 PM
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20. My bet; They won't "find" any such thing --
those jerks in Washington are congenitally unable to say the words "lie" or "liar."

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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 03:06 PM
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23. It's a start.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 05:05 PM
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24. This thread would make one helluva expose' or book !
Edited on Sun Dec-17-06 05:05 PM by jaysunb
Not only would it spell the end of our current misery, but it would destroy the roots of the ciminal conspiracy that has made the robbing and destruction of America their goal.

Information is power. Once the American people see with their own eyes what's going on, it will be lights out for a long time.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 05:09 PM
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25. Exactly - and OPEN GOVERNMENT will only happen when WE DEMAND IT.
Edited on Sun Dec-17-06 05:10 PM by blm
And when we STOP supporting those who want OUR books kept closed from us.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 05:16 PM
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26. Excellent! Some very informative reading material bookmarked for after the kids are in bed!
Thanks again Octafish. I always look forward to your posts (almost as much as looking forward to the January hearings!)
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 05:43 PM
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27. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, but we really need
a magnifying glass to attack the gangrene here.



Thank you for another brilliant thread, Octafish. A new day is dawning.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 05:45 PM
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28. K&R. nt
nt
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 06:12 PM
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29. That's my Senator!!
Yous hould see him when he talks about this gang of thugs in person, especially in more intimate settings. He really gets a fire in his eyes!

If I were them I'd be very, very afraid. :toast:

Take it to 'em Carl!!

Julie
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 09:37 PM
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31. k&r

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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 10:41 PM
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32. Kick - frequently...
:kick:

If I could do another rec, I would.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 07:16 PM
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33. Kick-consider what has already transpired: the BFEE ISG negated,
BFEE's Gates is installed as SecDef, impeachment is alledgedly "off the table, troops deployed, mercenaries hired, war profiteers rewarded, there is no money only debt to foreigners as the sea of blood is spreading and the criminals aren't prosecuted.

It's HOMELAND (TM) not The United States of America until these traitors and criminals are GONE and representative democracy restored.
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 09:07 PM
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34. Lots of secrets to uncover
They lie in the shadows.
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