Explain how America fell for such an ass whistle?

[kentuck]

How was America flim-flammed into voting for a man that thinks he is the "decider" and the only advice he listens to is that which agrees with his distorted sense of reality? If America is so naive, then why should we think the biggest threat to our freedom is "terrorism"? Shouldn't we have a "war on ignorance" instead? Wouldn't that be money better spent? After all, if we don't kill the ignorance over here, we will have to kill it over there...

[screembloodymurder]

1. We've become a nation of simpletons, uneducated boob-toobers,

and simple is as simple does.

[Toots]

36. heh heh heh.... you said boob

:shrug: Sometimes ignorance is bliss.

[HereSince1628]

2. Well, after putting up with a stolen election--fear, fear, and more fear

Bush ranks number one among presidents based on effectiveness of his terror campaign.

[sweetheart]

3. Cable Television

10,000 channels of intellectual lazyness forever, and really, the elimination of the fairness doctrine in public media.

[formercia]

4. Fearless leader was handed the Country on a Silver platter

and he still screwed the pooch, just like every other job he was handed by Poppy.


Not for a second do I think he was elected.

[sam sarrha]

15. the FACTS are he was Delcared by a Supreme Court Judge Poppy appointed.. New World 'Global' Order

[Hubert Flottz]

5. A Monster!

"America still has a lot of possumbilities!"

[Tanner_B.]

6. Most Of Us Didn't

Remember, there's no way to verify just how badly the elections were stolen. It's possible that only the usual lunatic 30% plus a few of the benign ignorant actually voted for him.

There's no way the majority of Americans would have even considered reelecting someone who is clearly mad and a danger to the country, even if they had voted for him in 2000.

[kentuck]

7. Even if Ohio was stolen...

there is no evidence that Bush did not win a majority of the popular vote in 2004... I suppose we could make a distinction between ignorance and gullibility, or the ability to be hoodwinked?

[Tanner_B.]

11. There's Also

no evidence that he did win the popular vote, either - the voting machine results cannot be verified, and even if they could, their manufacturers won't let anyone examine them.

[kentuck]

12. It's difficult to prove a negative...

regardless..

[sam sarrha]

18. 3.5 Million votes were NOT COUNTED in that election..!! he didnt win..

[kentuck]

21. So, does that mean America is not gullible or ignorant...?

just victims?

[sam sarrha]

22. both.. but victims of a highly sophisticated and well coordinated Fascist takeover

[truedelphi]

59. I'd say there is evidence

Nationwide Over 400,000 votes did not compute properly.

99% of the skewered votes were those ballots and electronic choices intended for Kerry but went over to Bush

Tens of thousands denied the right to vote in New Mexico, And in Ohio.

In Nevada, Probably at least three thousand Democrats who registered to vote - not knowing the people doing the registering threw away all the Democratic registrations

Some 60 % of all votes cast in America on November 2 2004 were cast on electronic voting machines.
The same type of machines taht we now know are easily hackable.

[moondust]

8. Mass hysteria?

I'd compare it to what happened in Germany.

[sam sarrha]

19. slick advertizing conspiracy.. media campaigned 24/7 for him and Fascists and put down the Dems 24/7

on corporate money which was a violation of campaign contribution laws

[moondust]

20. Yup. Largely mass media driven.

No more Fairness Doctrine to moderate the propaganda.

[izzie]

9. He is big business and so is the news.

Business is America to many people.

[Captain Hilts]

10. He's a regular guy! Why folks want a 'regular guy' as prez, I do not know.

And, of course, he's not a regular guy at all...

GW, Lincoln, FDR, Churchill, Thurghood Marshall, George C. Marshall, Eleanor Roosevelt, Clinton, etc. aren't/weren't 'regular guys'. We don't want folks in high positions to be 'regular' guys.

[sam sarrha]

13. he was sold to us thru a Republican/media conspiracy to loot the nation..LINK>

this tells the story why the War was started ..

http://www.whiterosesociety.org/Rhodes.html scroll down to thursday 12-14-06 it is a long show, i stream her when i am on the computer

randy is oo HOTHOTHOT.. and she has such good DC connections her show is always GREAT.!!!

[indepat]

14. It's the fanatical religiosity, the ideological zealotry, the veiled racism,

the wide assortment of various nuts, and the otherwise blind, ignorant, gullible, apathetic, brain-dead and brainwashed. :7

[no_hypocrisy]

16. You have to read Sinclair Lewis' "Elmer Gantry" to understand and some

other Lewis novels like "Main Street" and "It Can't Happen Here". The American public, despite public education and newspapers, has been primed for this president since the beginning of the 20th century. And like Mel Brooks' "The Producers", all that was needed was the worst script, the worst songs, the worst actors, and BINGO! you have a runaway hit.

[pretzel4gore]

17. maybe it is karma?

it's not as if ignorant brutishness is something our societies just stumbled into - i recall as a child looking with amazement at pics of men on bulldozers clearing rotting corpses in buchenwald or someplace! And a few years ago, pictures of stacks of children's arms, chopped off by the belgians in the congo to enforce the parents to work, or a statistic i read in history books that estimate that 20 percent of the cowboys in the american wild west were black. Or this thing about hiroshima/nagasaki:

>taken from Gore Vidal’s ‘Dreaming War, Blood For Oil and the Bush-Cheney Junta pg 77/78:
“…But let me quote from a letter by the historian Kai Bird, which, to my amazement, the New York Times published (usually they suppress anything too critical of themselves or their Opinion makers):
‘Twice the reviewer dismisses as “silly’ Vidal’s assertion that Harry Truman’s use of the atomic bomb on Hiroshima was unnecessary because Japan had been trying for some months to surrender.
Such assertions are neither silly nor….a product of Vidal’s ‘cranky politics’ Rather Vidal has cleverly drawn on a rich and scholarly literature published in the last decade to remind his readers that much of what orthodox court historians have written about the Cold War was simply wrong. With regard to Hiroshima, perhaps Vidal had in mind Truman’s July 1945 handwritten diary reference to a ‘telegram from Jap emperor asking for peace’
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iow, dropping those atom bombs were war crimes as ghastly as anything the krauts did! (at least eisenhower was opposed to it, on grounds it not necessary, but ...)
it seems that every time someone wants to discuss what's going on, they premise their arguments on the inherent goodness of 'we the people' when really, each and every person who grows up and uses power wisely ie not to exploit others, is a incredible victory for all humanity! For a christian nation/society, ours sure ignore the part about 'do unto others...etc' From all this , we can deduce the following as plain fact: jerry falwell, jim dobson, pat robertson etc ARE NOT GOOD PEOPLE but literally snakes in an infant's crib! And until that is said publicly by at least a few people o stature, and is taught in schools etc (lol) then we are doomed because, to put it plainly, we are the devil the bible warned humanity about!
(and really, laffing at the mess might be a good start!)

[Annces]

23. I didn't vote for him

As for the people that did, I think it was the rich and the ignorant. Advertising works well in this country.

[Justpat]

24. If I were to write a novel about this period in our history,

I would call it: "The Revenge of the Stupid People."

Our country has been dumbed down to the point where too
many people actually went into a voting and choose this
ignorant cretin as the leader of the free world.

I agree with Kentuck that we would be better off declaring war
on ignorance. We would need several decades to begin to pull
out of the numbing stupidity of the last ten years. Our fellow
citizens bought a fake cowboy who talks like them, and unfortunately,
thinks like them. People choose him because he encouraged them to
believe he was not one of the "elite", when in fact he was born
and bred to be one of that class. They bought his strong simpleton
act hook, line and sinker.

He appealed to the worst in people, instead of calling forth courage
and goodness in people as a true leader would.

Several years ago I read a book by a man named Jerry Mander titled:
"Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television." I encourage
people to read it. In 1977 he described how a political coup would
one day be made possible, not by guns and tanks, but by a media
controlled by a small group of people. It is a book that changed
me a lot. I have not watched TV since, nor has anyone I know who
has read the book.

[LuckyLib]

58. It is the revenge of the stupid people, OB. Also the fat comfort

that most Americans enjoy, with toys in the driveway, an overextended credit card, and endless vacuous tube-watching, whether video games or TV. Chimpy was presented as the Good Ole Boy who understood how important it was to keep that life going. So, folks, how's that workin' for you? Job outsourced? Relatives in Iraq? Feelin' secure at the airport? You may never know what has been left for your children and grandchildren.

[gollygee]

25. There was a lot of money put into the marketing

he was very well marketed

[valerief]

26. America voted for Al Gore. The courts put Dimson in place. HAVA

kept him there.

[Junkdrawer]

27. Not so much "fell for" as "doesn't rebel against"....

And the answer to that is that the economic bubble hasn't burst...yet...

[KansDem]

28. *ahem*

tv

[Rosemary2205]

29. Actually it's "whistle ass"

Ann Richards, wherever you are. I miss you!

[WhiteTara]

30. umm, he stole the elections?

and we didn't fall for him at all?

He's our resident dictator?

[dkofos]

31. Americans are stupid

Not that he was ever elected

[spanone]

32. Let's not forget that the Supreme Court GAVE this ass whistle his presidency.

A conspiracy of the grandest scale.

[leftofthedial]

33. half of all Murkans are below average.

half of THEM are WAY below average.

In the multi-generational class war that has been waged mostly silently against 98% of Americans by the uberwealthy 2%, billions of dollars was used to leverage the stupidity of the minority and the apathy of the majority. It's actually pretty easy to get ass whistles to vote for another ass whistle. The more challenging tricks were to repeat the lies about "conservative' values and philosophy loudly and long enough to get lazy pundits to just spout them repeatedly without thinking and to kill progressive leaders whenever they began to emerge and before they could mobilize the apathetic.

[Rosemary2205]

34. Wow. That will sure win us over.

Telling us we are just dumb ass Americans, who are too retarded to tie our own shoes and can't be really be trusted with the vote, isn't likely to get us to join your cause.

[leftofthedial]

35. If that's who you are, I don't want you to join my "cause."

moran.

The enemy is the rich and their economic system--capitalism.

The problem on "our" side isn't the stupid. It's the apathetic.

As long as we allow the rich and their servants to convince us that capitalism is in our best interest and to motivate the stupid while demotivating the apathetic, we are screwed. We will continue to get "ass whistles" like king george and "free-trade" enemies of the people like Clinton.

[Quantess]

66. However, I don't believe that the enemy are the rich, nor that capitalism is all bad.

It isn't capitalism that's to blame, nor is it rich people. There are good rich people and bad rich people.

It's the stolen voice of the people. That's what's to blame. We, collectively, allowed our voices to get stolen from us, so really, that means we are all to blame for our nation's undoing.

(edit for grammar)

[treestar]

38. Face up to the truth that we were being dumbasses

Refusing to do that and just playing the victim guarantees more of the same.

We acted like dumbasses. We can do better in the future.

[Quantess]

51. Technically, it's true!

While most are "in the average range", if you get down to the nitty gritty, half will be above average and half will be below average.

Is the glass half empty or half full?:dilemma:

[treestar]

37. A war on ignorance might be a start

But just claiming we "fell" for him is not taking responsibility. It's not his fault that we let him rise to high as to be President of the US. It's our ignorance overall that allowed it. The freepers refuse to deal with that, that's why they are so nasty. We choose entertainment over education, specialized knowledge over a broader view, as long as we can amass as many dollars as possible. The result of our values is what we have today. No point just claiming we were fooled into it. We have always had the wherewithall not to be fooled. We just were too lazy.

[Stevepol]

39. Bush did not win either election The American people are not

stupid; they are disenfranchsed at the moment. As soon as we have a democracy again, the sanity of the American people will become clear.

It's not possible to have a democracy when the vote is counted in total secrecy without any kind of verification.

We really should stop denigrating the American people. They are the victims of the vote theft machines. Their will is being thwarted in almost every election.

Even in the 06 victory for the Dems, the results were far more lopsided than the results would suggest. And several of the so-called losers were actually winners. Jennings I'm sure won her election in Sarasota, as did several others, some of whom did not demand a recount.

It's not possible to have the slightest confidence in any election in the US, including the ones that happened in 06.

Every time any defeated politician, not matter what party, calls for a hand recount of paper, we should shout Hallelujah and offer to help in the recount.

[dysfunctional press]

40. the liberal media .

nt

[bobthedrummer]

41. Stolen elections, gerrymandered districts, influential ideological cults

LIHOP, then the torrent of assaults on our Constitution, Bill of Rights all gussied up as security, patriotism, militarism, nationalism, and the biggest "ism" of all the war on terrorism.

We didn't elect this administration, there has been apathy and all the while the zealots of the fringe RW organized and were politically involved from the local school boards to the US Supreme Court-yet they have somewhat failed due to the truth coming out.

Citizens are aware that there was corruption-the extent of it is overwhelming in the BFEE, at first.

Fear doesn't work anymore, neither does the propaganda and neither will the promise of newly elected Democratic leadership that enables this crap to continue without serious opposition-because that was the message of the people on November 7th and anyone that ignores it is furthering the agendas of the people's political enemies.

[jgraz]

54. Funny you should mention ideological cults

...given your avatar. Bush would have never been elected to dogcatcher if he hadn't been able to cynically manipulate most of this country's devout Christians.

[mdmc]

42. Two parties, under corporate control

the GOP and the GOP-lite.

[Cass]

43. Diebold and the media.

If the media would have done their damn jobs, reported the news objectively and truthfully, and covered both candidates fairly and accurately things would gone much differently, IMO. They ripped Clinton to shreds and then went on to do a number on Gore (and Kerry, too). Of course, there is also the Diebold factor but I think it would have been negated somewhat by an informed electorate that is given news instead of propaganda.

[Uncle Joe]

44. The *Matrix created by the mass corporate media

brainwashed a sizable segment of the American People in to believing 1. Al Gore could not be trusted and 2. Bush could be trusted in to bringing "honor and integrity" back to the White House.

I believe the primary reason they trashed and slandered Al Gore's credibility is related to the thread linked below.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x251774


* See the movie "Matrix" for details

[PsN2Wind]

45. America did not fall for him

Sandra Day O'Connor (may she live many years to see what she helped do to our country) and the rest of the Supremes, in their infinite wisdom, knew that Dubya would be a better president than Gore or any other Democrat. Hopefully history will reflect their complicity.

[WilliamPitt]

46. Easy

...and...

http://www.cjr.org/tools/owners/

[judaspriestess]

47. I come across too many people who don't have any commen sense

they are lost and are desperate to cling to something. The media and its daily red herrings are to blame also.

[Gregorian]

48. Republican, right or wrong. Some people just love the smell of shit.

Some people don't think. I call it insanity. But it's really ignorance with a touch of arrogance for disgust.

Plus all of the above reasons.

[Dastard Stepchild]

49. He came off as charming in a populist way...

Which I always thought was interesting. I mean, his family is so wealthy they could burn piles of money just to keep their other piles of money warm, and yet he was seen as a simple folk populist by a fair number of people.

I think people found him likable and full of yuks. That really is sufficient criteria for a large number of people.

[Cleita]

50. LOL! An ass whistle!

I never heard that one before. Yes, I do believe ignorance is the problem. If only we could get a news channel that reports the news in an unbiased and comprehensive way, we could chop down a lot of that ignorance for those who tune into the news. For the ones that don't listen, they don't matter anyway because they don't vote. It used to be that way before the TV corporations decided that they had to make money on the news broadcasts. Today, Edward Murrow and all the great anchors of those days couldn't even get a job.

[Zhade]

52. We're talking about a country that's been lied to for so long, they can't see the lies.

Hell, think of how many liberals think marijuana is a "deadly" drug.

Think of how many people believe Oswald acted alone, despite even the U.S. government determining it was at least two or more people.

Think of how many think the democratically-elected Chavez, whose election victories have been signed off as legit by the Carter Center, OAS and UN, is a dictator.

It's just not that well-informed a citizenry we have here.

[truedelphi]

60. Marijuana is deadly?

I last smoked some way back in '71

And just woke up in 2006!

Maybe not deadly, but it sure can knock a girl out!

[jarab]

53. I'm as lost as many others on this question ....

We see the "regular guy" reply.
I would venture a guess that the candidate must be "perceived" as projected by the MSM as strong, not wimpy, weak or vacillating.
You might put your own choice of candidate to this test to see if he/she qualifies.
Strong? Why else would HRC be so hawkish? To appear strong whether she is or isn't.
We may be ready for a woman Prez, but she would probably have to be or appear to be somewhat hawkish to counter any other mysogynistic misperceptions.

jmo
...O...

[QuestionAll...]

55. let's get this straight.

the people vs. who really is in charge of them people.
two voices. one squelched.
It's sad to think about it and how it's all mixed into one ideal.

[Deja Q]

56. And the ambient mood of the time...

I hate to say it, but Clinton's stupid activities are at least minutely responsible. Republicans preyed on that weakness.

That same card probably contributed to Dems winning in 2006. (hypocritical and/or sleazy Republicans)

But this is politics. It's a meanspirited, dirty, muddy game...

[watercolors]

57. Simple, money and the MSM!

nt

[opihimoimoi]

61. We are victims/targets of the Abuser in Charge....he is abusing us with his BS that he is the MAN

to save our asses from the perils that he advances....read:: Abusive Personalities(Google)

[Raine]

62. America didn't...

twice the guy got in when the votes weren't there. Everyone knows that Gore had more votes and Kerry got rippied off in Ohio.

[catzies]

63. 40 years of investment by the RW thinktanks (Heritage, AEI) paid off

n/t

[rman]

64. What makes you think America voted for that man?

[buddysmellgood]

65. He was appointed. Gore won, then Kerry won but Blackwell gave it to Bush.

[Fly by night]

67. Insulting American voters is a dead-end deal. THEY didn't vote to elect Bus-hitler.

Now we just have to take back our ballot boxes, begin the Inquisition and hang the whole lot for treason. That will get any remaining "conservatives without conscience" to crawl back under the pile of elephant dung from which they slithered.