Gosh! I sure wish DU could get a bit more melodramatic!!!!

[Thtwudbeme]

That speech was shit. There wasn't a memorable moment in it.

The clown managed to look somewhat sober.

AND furthermore, people shouldn't wear t-shirts to a SOTU speech, I don't care if Satan is speaking. No, she shouldn't have been "Detained" but she should have a fashion consultant if she doesn't know better.

Jesus Christ.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

1. Fair Enough. Can't Disagree.

What were your thoughts on Kaine by the way?

[Thtwudbeme]

3. Decent speech...great points...needs coaching on how to deliver

a speech though.

Smiling like a used car salesman talking about New Orleans was bad.

[Berserker]

16. WHAT?

Decent speech...BULLSHIT
great points...BULLSHIT
He delivers BULLSHIT just fine.

[Thtwudbeme]

41. dear. Calm down.

I was answering a question about Kaine. NOT writing my thoughts on Bush. Did you read the thread?

[TahitiNut]

48. Read more closely - the comments were about Kaine's speech.

While it certainly won't go down as an oratorical tour de force, it wasn't bad. :shrug:

[Lars39]

2. She only recieved her ticket about 2 hours before the event.

She was wearing all black. Usually can't go wrong with that.

[Thtwudbeme]

4. Oh, I agree with that for sure. But, she tried to take the jacket OFF.

that was a bad move.

[Matariki]

46. i'm certain her ONLY reason to go to the SOTU was to protest

not to be seen in fine clothes.

[mzmolly]

5. I agree with some of what you say, but I support Cindy's demonstration

of FREE SPEECH. Screw the "sacred ground" shit.

[MrMonk]

6. Delete

Sorry - I didn't read the entire OP before responding.

[cynatnite]

7. average speech and I agree about dressing up for SOTU

The arrest was bullshit, but the spin will be that wacky Cindy Sheehan's at it again :eyes:

[TInCanCommunications]

21. Exactly

For the last four months, every move she makes plays right into the hands of people who've had great success casting her as some sort of nut job.
She did a lot for the peace movement.
But there are other people who can step in and become the face for the movement.

It's insane, in this giant PR game, to attach so much of the movement to an everyday woman who doesn't have PR skills and isn't being managed by anyone with PR skills.

On the radio the other night, someone called into Drudge and said she hopes Sheehan runs against Feinstein for the Senate, and he suggested that the right pour a ton of money into it because a Sen. Sheehan in DC would kill the Democratic Party.

On the one hand, who cares? The Democratic Party NEEDS a huge shake up.

On the other hand, as much as the Dems need to wake up, we simply can't afford more crap from Bush and his followers. And Sheehan would do great harm to the Dem's chance to win back the Senate/House and eventually, the presidency.

Let the Sheehan story pass. But not the message and not the fight.

Stop using this woman a symbol.

[Spazito]

8. Seeing as bush has pissed all over your Constitution, the Congress

and the American people, why would one care about a 'dress code'? I continually amazes me how, on the one hand, there is recognition of what this man is doing to your country but yet one should adhere to a DRESS CODE for a speech of his. WOW.

[cynatnite]

10. The pres wasn't the only one there, you know...

Dem senators and those others that many would want to make a good impression. I don't think I'd be helping my cause much by showing up looking like a ragbag.

[Spazito]

22. Ahhh, so the Vice President telling a Senator to

"FUCK YOURSELF" in the House of Congress is okay but not a t-shirt. I understand. The Senators, Members of the House have to be there, looking their best in hopes of pleasing their voters. Again, imo, after watching the disgusting behavior that has taken place in the 'hallowed' halls of Congress in the last 5 years, a DRESS CODE 'breach' would seem to me to be the least of anyone's problems.

[cynatnite]

50. I'd wear a big 'fuck you' shirt just for cheney alone...

but if I'm going to meet Hillary, Kerry, Kennedy and lots of others, I'm not going to show up looking like trash when I have a cause to further. Good impressions go a long way.

[Spazito]

55. Ummm, please point out where Cindy looks like 'trash' in this pic

http://cdn.news.aol.com/aolnews_photos/09/02/20060131214609990005

Talk about hyperbole, I think your use of 'looking like trash' qualifies quite well.

[cynatnite]

60. I think wearing a t-shirt to a SOTU speech is trashy...

If I'm looking to rally important people to my cause wearing that is the last thing I'd do.

Trashy is in the eyes of the beholder, BTW.

[LincolnMcGrath]

63. No where near as classy as purple fingers.

:eyes:

[cynatnite]

69. Okay, you got me with that one...

You're right. The purple finger thing was...:eyes:

But what wins hands down was the purple bandaids. Geez, that still makes me :puke:

[LincolnMcGrath]

74. Call the fashion police!!!

:hi:

[Spazito]

64. Ahhh, especially if the object of the 'eye of the beholder' is

named Cindy Sheehan. I understand.

[cynatnite]

73. Oh, please

:eyes:

I think t-shirts to something like this is trashy and the last thing anyone should wear. Just like I wouldn't wear a bathing suit out in the snow. The two don't mix.

Is that plain enough for you?

[Spazito]

75. I can assume, then, you have, in the past, been a supporter of

Cindy's? There will be supportive prior posts from you in support of Cindy in the archives? Other than the t-shirt you are still a supporter?

[cynatnite]

78. I support her as a mom who lost her son...

I don't always agree with her, but I never expect to agree with anyone on everything.

My only thing is how the right spins whatever she does. I really hate that. I don't think this incident helped any. Corporate media will have their way.

[Spazito]

83. LOL, did you check out what the media was busy talking about,

the horror of Hillary chewing gum and not long ago the horror of an author who...gasp...lied yet say NOTHING about a President who lied the country into an illegal invasion and occupation. Oh, and when they aren't outraged by gum chewing and t-shirt wearing, they are in Aruba searching for a missing blonde. Yeah, the media concentrating on Cindy instead of REAL news is so........unusual...roflmao.

[Maru Kitteh]

80. Ragbag?

So she made a fashion mistake. My God in heaven, no wonder we keep losing. We can't dress properly. You're right, she should have had the message silkscreened on a nice Vera Wang number. :sarcasm: :nuke:

[Maddy McCall]

12. So play the game at HIS level?

No, play one step ahead. Her impact could have been great. Instead, the mainstream is saying, "That Sheehan woman got arrested again tonight."

Strategy would have benefited her--and the many of us who agree with her--tonight.

But she's her own person, so she does what she wants.

[Spazito]

36. LOL, the US media would be talking about Hillary chewing gum

if it weren't talking about Cindy....oh, wait...it seems they are talking about both but they are NOT talking about the disaster in Iraq, the disaster of health care, prescription drugs, etc. The US media has not reported actual news for a very long time and thinks the fact that an author who lied in his book is a major crime but a President that lied the country into an illegal invasion and occupation is just hunky-dory, give me a break.

Edited to correct typo

[koopie57]

17. I have to agree with you Spazito

Cindy spent her day working for something important to her, she is on the road and probably didn't bring along proper SOTU attire. Now a days she could have worn that to church but not to listen to * lie? Bottom line is she didn't break any laws? It wasn't like she was detained by the fashion police.

[Spazito]

72. Yep, in reality, the anti-Cindy posts have nothing to do with the

t-shirt and everything to do with an opportunity to trash her, period. I only wish the anti-Cindy troop would be more creative, lol.

[Poll_Blind]

99. Indeed! n/t

PB

[Maddy McCall]

9. I think she is insulated by the groups with which she spends all her time.

Unfortunately, she takes advice from them, and doesn't think about alternative ways to get her message across.

C'mon. A t-shirt in the upper balcony of the chamber might have been seen by 10 people. Had she stayed through the speech, though, she would have been interviewed by various media reps, and millions of people would have heard her message.

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[Maddy McCall]

18. I've never in my life listened to Limbaugh. If what I said is the same...

thing that he has said, then I happen to agree with him.

And fuck you for insinuating that I'm a Republican. I won't even begin to recite my LIBERAL Democratic credentials.

REally. Fuck you.

[eggman67]

57. Well

With some people ya gotta "show your papers citizen" if you want to have a dissenting opinion here.

[Maddy McCall]

61. Most people aren't as rabid.

The ones who are are in the minority.

[eggman67]

79. Maybe I've just been seeing a lot of them lately n/t

[bpilgrim]

15. EVERYONE will hear of her arrest, hello...

whether it was the beginning, middle or end.

the FACT is that the FASCIST could NEVER allow their king to be interrupted.

those of you who stand with the fascist make me sick & remind me why our party situation sucks!


more...
http://GLobalFreePress.com

drama queens, indeed

peace

[Maddy McCall]

31. No, everyone WON'T. DUers are politically attuned to each little...

creak on capitol hill. John Q Public isn't, though. And those who do hear that she was arrested won't know why.

If I were her, I would have given "them" absolutely NO reason to remove me. Then, after the speech, I would have welcomed interviews, which would have been televised to MILLIONS of people.

Like I said before, strategy is everything.

And, as I said to another poster above, FUCK YOU for insinuating that I am some kind of fascist worshiper of Bush crutch. You couldn't be further from the truth.

[bpilgrim]

38. we'll see

first y'all complain it will all be spun against us, them you claim no one will hear it :eyes:

_|_

peace

[Maddy McCall]

43. You are a contradiction of a person.

.

[bpilgrim]

49. Hypocrite

peace

[Maddy McCall]

53. Neophyte.

[Maru Kitteh]

89. This middle-ager is no neophyte - and I stand w/bpilgrim

My civil rights and your civil rights and EVERYONE's civil rights got buggered UP THE BUM tonight, but you can't see that?

[cynatnite]

33. this'll be faster than the spin cycle with corporate media's hands on it..

It'll be Cindy 'the wacky left wing nut' Sheehan is at it again.

I don't give a shit whether anybody likes it or not. She's not us any favors by demonstrating at SOTUS and if anyone thinks it's any different than that, then you're bigger fools than I ever took you for.

[bpilgrim]

39. yeah, MLK pissed off a lot of the STATUS QUO, too

_|_

peace

[Maddy McCall]

42. Cindy Sheehan is no MLK.

Apples and oranges.

[bpilgrim]

44. she is a PEACE ACTIVIST

same difference in my book

peace

[Maddy McCall]

54. Nope. Not the same.

[cynatnite]

52. and he had real journalists covering him...

not the hacks running corporate media today.

[Maddy McCall]

40. EXACTLY

Level heads prevail.

[koopie57]

51. with all due respect, cynatnite

I think that Cindy is doing what she is doing for herself, to find peace. I don't think her purpose is to work for "our" causes. It is her life and she can decide what she wears, and where and when she wears it. She doesn't owe us anything, she already gave a great deal for us. IMHO.

[Maru Kitteh]

85. If it shows you can be ARRESTED for WEARING A T-SHIRT

Then it's a good thing. I have not supported everything she has done but being arrested for sitting quietly and wearing a t-shirt? WHAT FUCKING COUNTRY IS THIS????


Maybe she is doing it for herself, but if we don't see what this means for all of us we deserve what we get.

[LincolnMcGrath]

58. Wouldn't the bigger fools cower in fear of upsetting

the Corp. media, again? Has that ever slowed the non stop GOP spin?

Purple fingers are Okay and A T-Shirt is not?

Don't fear the media, COUNTER THE GOP SPIN for gosh sakes.

[cynatnite]

19. That's the big problem I have with her...

I liked her much better as a Gold Star Mom without all the groups.

I agree with you...if she had stayed the message would have been better. She'll come across more like a nut with corporate media's help.

[Maddy McCall]

56. You're a fascist, Bush-supporting Limbaugh dittohead for agreeing with me.

;)

[cynatnite]

62. And O'Lielly makes dirty phone calls to you

:rofl:

;)

[Maddy McCall]

68. You want to have Joe Scarborough's lovechild.

:scared: :rofl:

[cynatnite]

76. Okay, now that I'm back from puking...

It's on. I gotta go find some insults now. I'm never good at these things, but I'm sure I'll come up with something.

:rofl:

[Maddy McCall]

77. Hehehe!

This was fun. :rofl:

[NightOwwl]

23. I wish I could say I don't agree with you...

but I do.

Media coverage of Cindy Sheehan will be mostly negative...she could have used the event to promote such an important message.

[Lars39]

27. So re-frame it. They arrested a Gold Star Mother at the SOTU address.

That headline does damage to the administration, not Cindy Sheehan.

[Maddy McCall]

59. Too late for that.

Last week it was Chavez. This week, yet another arrest. It was a formidible strategy early on...hell, I was on the way to Crawford when my car broke down, that's how much I supported her.

I wouldn't do that today, though. :(

(And I like Chavez. But Cindy should have stuck with publicly calling Bush to account for the war.)

[Lars39]

66. No, it's not too late for it.

[Balbus]

87. No, it was a brilliant move!

And if what I'm hearing is true, that she only had two hours to come up with this move, then it's even more brilliant. Well played, Cindy, well played.

[Zen Democrat]

11. Cindy had a jacket over the t-shirt.

This is what she had been wearing all day. She only received the invitation to the gallery this afternoon and wore what she had on. She had the jacket closed when she walked in. It was open after she sat down and probably no one would have seen it if she hadn't been arrested. From what I understand, she didn't take her black jacket off -- it was just "open".

Isn't this just way over the top in America? Obviously she was being watched and I have no doubt that Karl Rove gave the order to find some reason to get her out of there.

[bpilgrim]

26. the M$M has already TOLD them what to think

:eyes:

peace

[doublethink]

14. "Jesus Christ" ........

do you really think Jesus Christ would have gave a shit what anyone would wear to this bullshit display of lies, deceit and pompous crap? If anything Jesus Christ would have applauded Cindy for the TRUTH dickwad! If your gonna put his name to it then read about what he said asshole! ....... the part of the outside of the cup being clean but the inside being damn filthy. Peace. :)

[Thtwudbeme]

20. Wow. OK...you win. You are the most melodramatic on DU tonight.

Impressive.

[doublethink]

30. Thank you!

Now go read you Bible ...... Peace. :)

[Thtwudbeme]

37. Well, gosh...which parts would you suggest?

?

[doublethink]

47. How bout the part I just quoted?

What don't know where the hell it is? And yet you try and represent him? Start on page one ..... and get back to me if you really want to know where I would send you in that book. :hug: Peace. :)

[REP]

91. You Mean "Whited Sepulchres"?

Or the part where Jesus calls people "asshole"?

[doublethink]

93. No.... I am the one who called someone asshole, not Jesus. :)

What you got a problem with it? Don't put words in Jesus mouth ..... And I said Cup not Sepulchres, where men are allready dead. "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess." Mathew Ch 23 Verse 25 .... And yes go on in the chapter to find the part your refering too..... Also look up this part .. "Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day." ...... find that and get back to me and we can discus it too if you'd like. Signed the Cussing Christian. :) .... okay I know "bad communications corrupt good manners" .... I'm working on it. But I know I am a sinner, and I don't judge, how bout you? Peace. :) :hug:

[REP]

95. Not A Christian and Don't Have To Play By Their Rules

I'm free to judge someone by how they act. Thanks anyway.

[doublethink]

96. So what's your point?

Thought you were standing up for your holier than thou attitude? Whatever dude, then move along, your welcome. :)

[doublethink]

97. PS:

Next time don't try and impress someone by your 'Bible knowledge' or the lack there of, for the hell of it. Or by 'their rules' because you obviously don't really know what's in that book kinda like a lot of professed Christian's, but of course your not one either .. again whatever .... :crazy: Peace. And God Bless. :hug: :)

[seabeyond]

24. didnt listen to speech. agree about the tshirt, cindy knew what

she was doing so why do we act surprised. she should not be arrested, just escorted out. it went too far arrested. she is not a democrat, she doesnt speak for me, per democratic party, i respect her and applaud and support her war efforts.

and the only memorable aprt my husband remembers is bush saying something about soc sec and all the dems stood and applauded.

[Cleita]

25. Cindy,looked to me in photos that I saw, like she was wearing

a dark suit with jewelry. I didn't see a T-Shirt, nor do I have X-ray vision to look under her jacket and I wonder who did.

I agree his sentences seemed more together, so he was probably a little more sober, but he's had five years to memorize those few words and sentences so..:shrug:

[upi402]

32. LOL, still the master of low expectations isn't he?

[Maddy McCall]

65. So she DID have time to change clothes before the speech?

I guess the "she didn't have time to change" excuse is blown to bits, then.

[LincolnMcGrath]

70. Pictures right here on DU clearly show her wearing a black hoodie.

It looks to be unzipped as she is walked out in hand cuffs.

[upi402]

28. t-shirt = jail in the land of the free

I think I need another tab of

Effumall

[jonnyblitz]

29. wow. stupidest.thread.ever.

I don't even know where to begin! with everything going down THIS is what gets you all riled up? a friggen DRESS CODE VIOLATION? LMFAO :rofl: :rofl: have another drink, hon. :crazy:

[Gregorian]

35. Here. Let me add to the confusion.

[Wrinkle_In_Time]

84. Is that a young Michael Crawford superimposed there?

Circa the "Some Mothers Do 'Ave 'Em" era? If so, he's missing the beret.

[koopie57]

67. In all actuality

it is a big deal when in America an American is detained for a t-shirt with numbers of war dead on it. This was the number of mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, etc. who died in a war we were lied into fighting, this was the number of soldiers we lost. IMHO it is a big deal.

[tyedyeto]

34. A three-peice suit would have been much more appropriate.

:sarcasm:

[neoblues]

45. Ooooh a T-Shirt... How awful... Let's Arrest everybody

who breaks an expected "dress code". That's what's really important. Not what you do, but what you say or how you dress. In face, just like the new Uniformed Division of the Secret Service, I think we should deploy the new Conservative Fashion Police; fully armed and with powers granted under the Patriot Act to "disappear" anyone suspected of offending. They should also be able to search people's homes without a search warrant on the mere whiff of a suspicion that they might be harboring an offending t-shirt. They should work in concert with the NSA to tap all American's phones--especially those suspected of supporting anti-Republican clothing. It's for our own good! Tonight's Sheehan Disruption could have been avoided if we'd only been listening in ahead of time! We MUST protect our children's fragile minds from such subversive influences!

Get a life.

[Maru Kitteh]

71. Cindy makes a fashion mistake - they fuck the constitution

Jesus Christ indeed.

[SillyGoose]

81. Do you not realize Cindy could be jailed for a year for wearing a

t-shirt??? That's what CNN is reporting. Why are you not POed about that? That's the real outrage in this whole miserable thing....maybe a freaking year in jail for this.

I don't agree with everything she says or does but I sure as hell support her right to express her opinion. That's what we are supposed to all about...you know, freedom of expression.

[goodboy]

82. I agree. And if you could be so kind, as to include your contribution

here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x289225

[babylonsister]

86. That speech sucked, agree. Clown managed to look

sober.
And Ms. Cindy Sheehan should not have been denied, EVER!

[Wrinkle_In_Time]

88. They'll start using multiple exclamation marks next...

... using melodrama to criticise melodrama is either a brilliant piece of irony, or not.

Are you familiar with the DUDQ?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

90. T-shirts are soooo gauche. Unlike uniforms and Brooks Brothers.

How dare she wear something so unfashionable to a meeting of crooks and politicians, the very cream of society.

Tsk. Tsk. Whatever will Laura think!

[UncleSepp]

94. Brooks Brothers? Noooo, definitely Hugo Boss with this crowd.

Extra points, honey, if you can tell me why! *snap*

[nemo137]

92. Careful what you wish for

even sarcastically.

[blogslut]

98. Cindy's clothes are perfect for me

This criticism of her wearing a t-shirt and hoodie to the SOTU brings to mind what Winston Churchill once said about another hero of mine:

"It is ... alarming and also nauseating to see Mr. Gandhi, a seditious Middle Temple lawyer, now posing as a fakir of a type well-known in the East, striding half-naked up the steps of the Viceregal Palace"